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Intel moves up Core Ultra 200K QS sampling, October launch even more likely - VideoCardz.com

Core Ultra 200K in October more likely, Intel speeds up QS availability Before the final silicon leaves the fab, Intel CPUs go through several stages required for chip testing, analysis, and fine-tuning. Often, leaks are based on early silicon versions, such as ES1 or ES2 (Engineering Samples)...

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Seems that Arrow Lake (probably) the fastest gaming CPU architecture of 2024, launches in a mere 3 months.

Will be a disaster if this comes out and trades blows with 1.5-2 year old CPUs, like Zen5.

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

Intel moves up Core Ultra 200K QS sampling, October launch even more likely - VideoCardz.com

Core Ultra 200K in October more likely, Intel speeds up QS availability Before the final silicon leaves the fab, Intel CPUs go through several stages required for chip testing, analysis, and fine-tuning. Often, leaks are based on early silicon versions, such as ES1 or ES2 (Engineering Samples)...

videocardz.com

Seems that Arrow Lake (probably) the fastest gaming CPU architecture of 2024, launches in a mere 3 months.

Will be a disaster if this comes out and trades blows with 1.5-2 year old CPUs, like Zen5.

So hyped for this. This is literally a next gen CPU. I bet the PS6s CPU will struggle to significantly outperform Arrow Lake just like the PS5 struggles to outperform Skylake currently. It should do very well against Alder Lake and Raptor Lake. Now the real question is how will it compare to M4 and Zen 5.

 

[Dacvak]

So hyped for this. This is literally a next gen CPU. I bet the PS6s CPU will struggle to significantly outperform Arrow Lake just like the PS5 struggles to outperform Skylake currently. It should do very well against Alder Lake and Raptor Lake. Now the real question is how will it compare to M4 and Zen 5.

I haven’t been keeping up with CPU tech, what makes this so significant?

 

[Insane Metal]

I haven’t been keeping up with CPU tech, what makes this so significant?

A significant change in CPU archtecture and dropping HT completely.

 

[OverHeat]

No more hyper treading

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

I haven’t been keeping up with CPU tech, what makes this so significant?

new node, new architecture

13th gen and 14 gen intel was basically just OCed 12th gen.
this is something new.

 

[Black_Stride]

So non-K u5s are gonna be using C0 lower binned chips......to be expected I guess.
Still looking forward to this probably gonna end up getting a K chip this time even if I have no interest in overclocking.
Im entirely GPU rendering these days so I dont mind Hyperthreading going.....though I wonder how valuable the u9 is going to be for people now.

Getting used to the new naming scheme is gonna take a while.

I dont understand why they are using 5 at all, im guessing its purely to accommodate all the u5 CPUs.....maybe e-coreless variants and for different Xe-Core Counts?

• u9-290K
• u9-280
• u7-270K
• u7-260
• u5-250K
• u5-240
• u5-230
• u5-220

Was that so hard?

What the fuck is this shit ↓

 

[Xyphie]

I dont understand why they are using 5 at all, im guessing its purely to accommodate all the u5 CPUs.....maybe e-coreless variants and for different Xe-Core Counts?

Same reason AMD does 9600X, 9700X etc for the initial launch and then doing 9600 and 9700 later on. It gives them the optionality of doing price cuts without doing a price cut by launching a new SKU with 100 MHz less clocks at a lower price.

 

[Black_Stride]

Same reason AMD does 9600X, 9700X etc for the initial launch and then doing 9600 and 9700 later on. It gives them the optionality of doing price cuts without doing a price cut by launching a new SKU with 100 MHz less clocks at a lower price.

Non-K CPUs are in the graph already.

Unless you mean the cheaper u5-245K would be known as the u5-240K.......which would be confusing because the u5-240 exists already and is the replacement for the i5-xx400.
People would assume its an overclockable u5-240 not a cheaper u5-245K.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

Why is there an expectation that this'll significantly outperform Zen5? I haven't been paying much attention to CPUs, outside of the myriad issues with the current Intel stuff, but I'm in the market for a new system later this year.

 

[Silver Wattle]

Will they fix the stability issues or just keep trying to sweep it under the rug?

Intel:

 

[Black_Stride]

Why is there an expectation that this'll significantly outperform Zen5? I haven't been paying much attention to CPUs, outside of the myriad issues with the current Intel stuff, but I'm in the market for a new system later this year.

I dont think anyone is expecting it to "significantly" outperform Zen 5.
But Zen 5 pretty much only just caught up to RaptorLake.
If this is ~20% faster than RaptorLake then in theory it will be faster than Zen 5.
Then Zen5X3D will beat that then we will be on PantherLake and the saga continues.....Wu-Tang, Wu-Tang!

If you are in camp Intel then its a good get and its the start of a new socket, new node, new architecture.

P.S
Myriad of issues with current Intel?
Other than the i9s seemingly cooking the ringbus what issue have Intel CPUs been having?

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

I dont think anyone is expecting it to "significantly" outperform Zen 5.
But Zen 5 pretty much only just caught up to RaptorLake.
If this is ~20% faster than RaptorLake then in theory it will be faster than Zen 5.
Then Zen5X3D will beat that then we will be on PantherLake and the saga continues.....Wu-Tang, Wu-Tang!

If you are in camp Intel then its a good get and its the start of a new socket, new node, new architecture.

P.S
Myriad of issues with current Intel?
Other than the i9s seemingly cooking the ringbus what issue have Intel CPUs been having?

Basically, this: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/inte...-crashes-with-13th-and-14th-gen-cpus.1672744/

Which has me more than a little cautious about going Intel with my next build.

 

[tusharngf]

i am out of touch with intel CPU naming scheme. Its hard to understand whats going on.

 

[Black_Stride]

Basically, this: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/inte...-crashes-with-13th-and-14th-gen-cpus.1672744/

Which has me more than a little cautious about going Intel with my next build.

Oh the i9s cooking themselves?
Didn't affect 12th gen.....13th gen had way way too much voltage at the top end. i9s can eat 1.5v.

I'll never buy a u9 so I'm not even worried, I always wondered how people could rationalize buying i9s for gaming rigs.

ArrowLake might be my first 8 core CPU, but realistically I'm going for the 6 core.
No hyoerthreading I highly doubt ArrowLake will be thirstier than RaptorLake

 

[YCoCg]

i am out of touch with intel CPU naming scheme. Its hard to understand whats going on.

It's a trash naming scheme but pretty much what was once i is now ultra, and the k models have been split up more.

E.g. what used to be an i5 is now a Core Ultra 5 is the most basic one

 

[Tarin02543]

I’m mad that going alderlake to raptor lake is pointless as even 13\14600 models seem to cook themselves

 

[winjer]

Intel's upcoming processors could push maximum temperature limits to 105 Celsius

Leaker "Jaykihn" has made multiple posts this week sharing internal information on Intel's upcoming Lunar Lake, Arrow Lake, and Panther Lake processors. One post claims that Arrow...

www.techspot.com

 

[StereoVsn]

I don’t know, I am kind of side eying Intel after the current snafu with degrading i9 and even i7 chips.

Figure might as well wait and see what AMD brings to the table with their 9K 3D cache line.

 

[Leonidas]

Possible clock speeds for top SKU.

5.7/5.4 GHz P-Core
4.7/4.6 GHz E-Core

so vs. 13900K its only a 100MHz decrease for the P-Cores, but a 300-400MHz increase for the E-Cores (if true).

Pretty good if true.

Why is there an expectation that this'll significantly outperform Zen5? I haven't been paying much attention to CPUs, outside of the myriad issues with the current Intel stuff, but I'm in the market for a new system later this year.

I wouldn't say I think it would significantly outperform, but I do believe Arrow Lake will be better in many areas for the following reason.

• better node than Zen5 (first time Intel has had this advantage in many years)
• E-Cores improved dramatically (could be ~50% better overall than prior E-cores)
• first desktop CPU with an NPU
• Zen5 gaming results seem abysmal for a 2024 CPU (only 12% better than the old Zen3 5800X3D according to AMD).
• AMD doesn't seem to have an answer for the i5 (since 12th Gen i5 has more MT and better gaming than AMD 8-Core at a similar or better price).
• AMD RAM needs certain speed for 1:1 fabric, Intel should still benefit from higher speeds

 

[hinch7]

Horrible naming sceme aside, looking forward to this. About time Intel actually has something competitive with Zen processors.

If they get the gaming crown down, I might even think of switching over.

 

[Celcius]

I just hope Intel can get their heat (and stability) in check for Arrow Lake.
I haven't used AMD since Athlon 64 but I'm on the fence and will wait for reviews...

 

[Leonidas]

Early performance data

Intel Core Ultra 9 "Arrow Lake" QS CPU tested at 250W: 4% faster than 14900K on average - VideoCardz.com

Intel Core Ultra 9 QS tested Wake up enthusiasts, there’s a new leak from Jaykihn. This leaker has provided numerous details on Intel’s upcoming hardware, including Arrow Lake, Lunar Lake, and more. The information appears very reliable and has already been partially confirmed. The latest update...

videocardz.com

Need more data, but there are some good signs at least. Those E-cores seem to really be helping a lot in MT.

 

[Leonidas]

Very happy to see that the clocks are overall similar to last gen (slightly slower P-cores but faster E-cores should make up for the P-clock deficit).

I wonder if the E-cores can be overclocked much though, all SKUs seem to run at 4.6 GHz E-cores. Very curious why those are all the same.

i5 should still have decent P-core overclocking headroom as before.

Intel Core Ultra 200K Arrow Lake-S boost clocks leak: slower P-Cores, faster E-Cores vs. 14th Gen Series - VideoCardz.com

Intel Core Ultra 285K/265K and 245K get rumored boost clocks Raichu reveals Intel next-gen desktop clocks. The new leak featuring Core Ultra 7 265KF processor confirmed the configuration that was rumored for a few weeks before the new disclosure. This means that the leak from Raichu who was...

videocardz.com

 

[nkarafo]

Isn't there a single CPU without stupid e-cores?

 

[Black_Stride]

Isn't there a single CPU without stupid e-cores?

For ArrowLake?

Doesnt seem like it.
Just disable them if you are thinking of getting ArrowLake but dont want e-cores for whatever reason.
Noting ArrowLake isnt expected to have HyperThreading.

 

[Zathalus]

Seems like most of the IPC gains will be wiped out by the regression in clock speed. Can't wait to see Arrow Lake trading blows with 1.5 year old (last gen) CPUs in gaming

 

[Leonidas]

Intel says Raptor Lake microcode update will not affect overclocking and performance, new Arrow Lake/Battlemage updates - VideoCardz.com

Intel makes several claims at ASUS event in China Updates for Raptor Lake, Arrow Lake and Battlemage. Source: 小敌鸽/Weibo “小敌鸽” aka Little Pigeon is a Chinese tech blogger who has shared some first-hand information in the past. This person was invited to Intel x ASUS event (said to be an internal...

videocardz.com

Some Arrow Lake updates at the conference.

• 100w less than currently at the high end
• voltage issues from prior architecture eliminated
• perf. confidential but expected to be very impressive

Seems very likely Arrow Lake takes the 2024 CPU gaming crown, while bringing the power down. I might step back up to the i7, or i9, depending on how things turn out. I hope Intel does the full unveil in September with performance numbers...

Glad Intel is taking time to reveal perf. numbers, hopefully Intel 1st party numbers are closer to reality than others...

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Not sure what to make of this but..

 

[Gp1]

What about Bartlett Lake? It doesn't make any sense to launch Bartlett after Arrow.

 

[YCoCg]

voltage issues from prior architecture eliminated

Don't use them fixing their fuck up as a selling point

 

[The Skull]

Seems very likely Arrow Lake takes the 2024 CPU gaming crown

Literally nothing in that link or information you posted suggests that at all.

 

[Leonidas]

Its too bad Intel Innvation was cancelled. But it doesn't seem like it affects the launch, announcements are promised for the Fall.

Core Ultra 200 "Arrow Lake" on track, Intel promises 'significant announcements' this fall - VideoCardz.com

Intel to share more on Arrow Lake late this year Intel provided a brief statement to OC3D in response to the news about the postponement of the Innovation 2024 event. Questions were raised about how this delay will affect the launch of the Arrow Lake, which was expected to take place at this...

videocardz.com

There is also reports of a new low core count CPU.

The new i3 is expected to have 8 cores. Its amazing if an i3 on Intel has 8 Cores, just 4 years ago that was i7 class, how things have changed... very happy to see 8 cores on a low end CPU.

The i3 might be a beast in the Arrow Lake generation.

Intel reportedly planning 8-core Core Ultra 3 205/215 Arrow Lake desktop processors - VideoCardz.com

Intel Core Ultra 3 in Arrow Lake desktop Only 8 cores. We have an update on the Arrow Lake desktop series from OneRaichu. The previous report didn’t include any details about low-end processors within the Core Ultra 3 tier, suggesting only Core Ultra 5, 7, and 9 were expected. However, it...

videocardz.com

Literally nothing in that link or information you posted suggests that at all.

The 2024 desktop gaming CPU crown is a two way battle between Zen5 and Arrow Lake.

Zen5 performs about the same as Raptor Lake. The only way Arrow Lake loses is if it goes backwards. I just can't see a next-gen desktop CPU, on a new node and new architecture going backwards from previously. But maybe I'm completely wrong in thinking this, we'll see...

 

[Schnauzer]

A significant change in CPU archtecture and dropping HT completely.

From what I heard, they dropped HT out of desperation. This is something they didn't want to do. Which is worrying.

 

[Leonidas]

From what I heard, they dropped HT out of desperation. This is something they didn't want to do. Which is worrying.

It was done to reduce the size of the core and increase power/price/area efficiency.

E-cores are much more powerful than the HT increase of a P core.

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

I have a 4090 paired with a 13700k at the moment. I don't notice any issues BUT if the new cpus provide a noticeable uplift across the board I'll upgrade.

 

[dEvAnGeL]

13700k paired with a 4090. It will have to be good uplift on performance for me to upgrade. Keeping in mind i only play at 4k res. Any gains at that res are smaller.

 

[winjer]

Intel Core Ultra 200 lineup leaks out, launching October 10th - VideoCardz.com

Core Ultra 200K arrives October 10, SKU lists leaks out Benchlife and Jaykihn have shared a list of upcoming Intel Core Ultra SKUs. Intel’s next-gen Core Ultra series codenamed “Arrow Lake-S” will be the desktop lineup featuring the new naming scheme. The 200-series will include 14 SKUs, but it...

videocardz.com

The flagship SKU, Core Ultra 9 285K, is reported to feature 8 Lion Cove (Performance) cores and 16 Skymont (Efficient) cores. This is the highest configuration in the lineup, which is also said to boost up to 5.7 GHz with Thermal Velocity Boost technology, as previously disclosed. These specs refer to the 125W TDP variant, but the SKU will also be available with 65W (285 non-K) and even 35W TDP (285T) configurations. For these SKUs, the base clock will be much lower: 2.5 GHz and 1.4 GHz, respectively, compared to the 3.7 GHz P-Core based on the 285K.

	TDP	Cores	Base（GHz）	Turbo（GHz）	TVB	TBMT 3.0	TBT 2.0
Intel Core Ultra 200 Lineup
Core Ultra 9 285K	125W	8P + 16E (24)	3.7｜3.2	5.4｜4.6	5.7GHz	5.6GHz	5.5GHz
Core Ultra 9 285	65W	8P + 16E (24)	2.5｜1.9	5.3｜4.6	5.6GHz	5.5GHz	5.4GHz
Core Ultra 9 285T	35W	8P + 16E (24)	1.4｜1.2	4.7｜4.5	5.4GHz	5.4GHz	5.3GHz
Core Ultra 7 265K	125W	8P + 12E (20)	3.9｜3.9	5.2｜4.6	N/A	5.5GHz	5.4GHz
Core Ultra 7 265KF	125W	8P + 12E (20)	3.3｜3.3	5.2｜4.6	N/A	5.5GHz	5.4GHz
Core Ultra 7 265	65W	8P + 12E (20)	2.4｜1.8	5.1｜4.6	N/A	5.3GHz	5.2GHz
Core Ultra 7 265F	65W	8P + 12E (20)	1.5｜1.2	4.6｜4.5	N/A	5.3GHz	5.2GHz
Core Ultra 7 265T	35W	8P + 12E (20)	2.4｜1.8	5.0｜4.5	N/A	5.3GHz	5.2GHz
Core Ultra 5 245K	125W	6P + 8E (14)	4.2｜3.6	5.0｜4.6	N/A	N/A	5.2GHz
Core Ultra 5 245KF	125W	6P + 8E (14)	4.2｜3.6	5.0｜4.6	N/A	N/A	5.2GHz
Core Ultra 5 245	65W	6P + 8E (14)	–	–	–	–	–
Core Ultra 5 235	65W	6P + 8E (14)	–	–	–	–	–
Core Ultra 5 225	65W	6P + 4E (10)	3.3｜2.7	4.7｜4.4	N/A	N/A	4.9GHz
Core Ultra 5 225F	65W	6P + 4E (10)	3.3｜2.7	4.7｜4.4	N/A	N/A	4.9GHz

 

[Insane Metal]

Not gonna lie, I dig the new naming tbh. I get it now.

Can't wait to see how it performs.

 

[Celcius]

Very nice, looks like that Core Ultra 7 265K is the cpu for me (benchmarks and reviews pending)

 

[Myths]

Can’t wait for the upgrade. Already know what I’m getting

 

[Leonidas]

 

[winjer]

Geek Bench 6 result for a 285K.

 

[BlackTron]

Nice to see an actually new CPU instead of your uncle's old one that got glitchy from OC profiles.

Not something I would buy gen 1 on, but fun to watch if Intel can turn it around.

 

[Chiggs]

Remember, folks, when a company with the ethical integrity and extremely limited cash reserves of Intel launches a new product based on a new architecture--even if they're in the midst of a silicon degradation scandal, it's your duty as a mindless American consumer to rush out and buy the 1st gen offering.

 

[Leonidas]

Nice to see an actually new CPU instead of your uncle's old one that got glitchy from OC profiles.

Not something I would buy gen 1 on, but fun to watch if Intel can turn it around.

I don't consider these Gen1, as Meteor Lake was the first Core Ultra CPUs with tiled architecture, and Meteor Lake did not have the issues that the older Raptor Lake ran into.

 

[nkarafo]

So, once again, not a single 8 core CPU without the E-cores.

Not even a 6 core CPU like the 12400.

 

[Celcius]

So, once again, not a single 8 core CPU without the E-cores.

Not even a 6 core CPU like the 12400.

Yeah to be honest even if the E-cores are way more effective for high multicore work, I'd rather have 10 p-cores than 8 p-cores + 12 e-cores.
But I guess games don't use more than 8 cores so anything other than that would benefit more from the many e-cores.
I guess I just miss the "normal" cpu designs rather than Intel going with Big/Little cores and AMD going with the dual CCX's.

 

[Leonidas]

Yeah to be honest even if the E-cores are way more effective for high multicore work, I'd rather have 10 p-cores than 8 p-cores + 12 e-cores.
But I guess games don't use more than 8 cores so anything other than that would benefit more from the many e-cores.
I guess I just miss the "normal" cpu designs rather than Intel going with Big/Little cores and AMD going with the dual CCX's.

I just want whatever gives me the best performance overall for my money, and the E-cores seem to be helping with that greatly as my i5 can beat an R7 in many MT tasks. The type of core used is irrelevant to me as long as the performance is there.

I've grown onto the E-cores, as it is another thing that can be tuned/overclocked. And I'm curious to see how much faster the new E-cores are since they run at higher clocks and have much higher IPC.

 

[Insane Metal]

Intel Core Ultra 200 lineup leaks out, launching October 10th - VideoCardz.com

Core Ultra 200K arrives October 10, SKU lists leaks out Benchlife and Jaykihn have shared a list of upcoming Intel Core Ultra SKUs. Intel’s next-gen Core Ultra series codenamed “Arrow Lake-S” will be the desktop lineup featuring the new naming scheme. The 200-series will include 14 SKUs, but it...

videocardz.com

The flagship SKU, Core Ultra 9 285K, is reported to feature 8 Lion Cove (Performance) cores and 16 Skymont (Efficient) cores. This is the highest configuration in the lineup, which is also said to boost up to 5.7 GHz with Thermal Velocity Boost technology, as previously disclosed. These specs refer to the 125W TDP variant, but the SKU will also be available with 65W (285 non-K) and even 35W TDP (285T) configurations. For these SKUs, the base clock will be much lower: 2.5 GHz and 1.4 GHz, respectively, compared to the 3.7 GHz P-Core based on the 285K.

	TDP	Cores	Base（GHz）	Turbo（GHz）	TVB	TBMT 3.0	TBT 2.0
Intel Core Ultra 200 Lineup
Core Ultra 9 285K	125W	8P + 16E (24)	3.7｜3.2	5.4｜4.6	5.7GHz	5.6GHz	5.5GHz
Core Ultra 9 285	65W	8P + 16E (24)	2.5｜1.9	5.3｜4.6	5.6GHz	5.5GHz	5.4GHz
Core Ultra 9 285T	35W	8P + 16E (24)	1.4｜1.2	4.7｜4.5	5.4GHz	5.4GHz	5.3GHz
Core Ultra 7 265K	125W	8P + 12E (20)	3.9｜3.9	5.2｜4.6	N/A	5.5GHz	5.4GHz
Core Ultra 7 265KF	125W	8P + 12E (20)	3.3｜3.3	5.2｜4.6	N/A	5.5GHz	5.4GHz
Core Ultra 7 265	65W	8P + 12E (20)	2.4｜1.8	5.1｜4.6	N/A	5.3GHz	5.2GHz
Core Ultra 7 265F	65W	8P + 12E (20)	1.5｜1.2	4.6｜4.5	N/A	5.3GHz	5.2GHz
Core Ultra 7 265T	35W	8P + 12E (20)	2.4｜1.8	5.0｜4.5	N/A	5.3GHz	5.2GHz
Core Ultra 5 245K	125W	6P + 8E (14)	4.2｜3.6	5.0｜4.6	N/A	N/A	5.2GHz
Core Ultra 5 245KF	125W	6P + 8E (14)	4.2｜3.6	5.0｜4.6	N/A	N/A	5.2GHz
Core Ultra 5 245	65W	6P + 8E (14)	–	–	–	–	–
Core Ultra 5 235	65W	6P + 8E (14)	–	–	–	–	–
Core Ultra 5 225	65W	6P + 4E (10)	3.3｜2.7	4.7｜4.4	N/A	N/A	4.9GHz
Core Ultra 5 225F	65W	6P + 4E (10)	3.3｜2.7	4.7｜4.4	N/A	N/A	4.9GHz

Leaked by OneRaichu

Can't wait to see how these perform. It's the first time I've been excited for an Intel product in a long time.