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[Insane Metal]

Yup.... Intel is doing it again. LGA 1851 only gets Arrow Lake and soon Arrow Lake Refresh. Their nextgen CPUs, Nova Lake, will use a new socket, LGA 1954.

Intel Nova Lake-S CPUs To Feature Support On New LGA 1954 Socket, LGA 1851 Only Gets Arrow Lake & Refresh Desktop Chips

Intel is expected to move to a newer socket with its Nova Lake-S Desktop CPU lineup, which will be called LGA 1954.

wccftech.com

Also, their Intel 18A process node will be used in Panther Lake (mobile CPUs) soon but TSMC 2nm will be used for the Nova Lake... at least in parts of it

Intel Reportedly Places 2nm Orders For Nova Lake At TSMC; Foundry Division Likely To Be Left Out For Now

Intel has placed 2nm orders at TSMC for their Nova Lake CPUs, as Team Blue plans out a massive comeback in the desktop processor segment.

wccftech.com

 

[Magic Carpet]

When I launch Avowed, it brings up a message that my Intel 13700F has issues unless I do another BIOS update. (I've already done 2).
Nice of the game to give me a popup warning, but I would much rather you just load the damn game please.

 

[crazepharmacist]

And that's why I don't buy Intel CPU's anymore. AMD plans to support AM5 until 2027.

 

[LordCBH]

Intel: new socket like every other gen
AMD: fuck it were using the same one for like 5 gens in a row. Have fun kiddos just update your bios.

 

[GHG]

Intel don't learn do they?

How can they not see what AMD are doing with their socket life cycles but continue to do the shit they used to get away with when they had no meaningful competition in the desktop CPU space?

 

[Black_Stride]

Its still like 40/60 Intel.

LGA1851 was a failed experiment, I dont even know anyone IRL running LGA1851.
So might as well go straight to 19xx

 

[winjer]

Still paying for TSMC to make their chips is a terrible situation, when Intel still has to upkeep and upgrade their own Fabs.
This is going to hurt their profit margins a lot.

 

[Insane Metal]

Still paying for TSMC to make their chips is a terrible situation, when Intel still has to upkeep and upgrade their own Fabs.
This is going to hurt their profit margins a lot.

Yup. Weird after seeing that their 18A process is going pretty well.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

I'm sure when the actual products come they aren't exactly gutter crash but in comparison to AMD, they are so fallen from grace.

I was there as well when I bought it until every year or every generation. I don't discriminate. They are terrible my comparison to their old standard. They got complacent and greedy.

They use others to fan their own when they are a fab.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Yup. Weird after seeing that their 18A process is going pretty well.

They have been claiming "new process X" is going well for going on 15 years now

At some point people need to realize Intel is lying

 

[MayauMiao]

12th gen is old, 13th and 14th are ticking timebomb, and the so called new Ultra is running on already dead socket.

I'm going AMD this year.

 

[ReBurn]

I've been really happy with AMD with AM5. I used to really be an Intel CPU loyalist but I became disillusioned by their lack of consistency. Knowing I'm going to be able to get at least one more AMD CPU upgrade in without having to buy a new motherboard is comforting.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Yup.... Intel is doing it again. LGA 1851 only gets Arrow Lake and soon Arrow Lake Refresh. Their nextgen CPUs, Nova Lake, will use a new socket, LGA 1954.

Intel Nova Lake-S CPUs To Feature Support On New LGA 1954 Socket, LGA 1851 Only Gets Arrow Lake & Refresh Desktop Chips

Intel is expected to move to a newer socket with its Nova Lake-S Desktop CPU lineup, which will be called LGA 1954.

wccftech.com

Also, their Intel 18A process node will be used in Panther Lake (mobile CPUs) soon but TSMC 2nm will be used for the Nova Lake... at least in parts of it

Intel Reportedly Places 2nm Orders For Nova Lake At TSMC; Foundry Division Likely To Be Left Out For Now

Intel has placed 2nm orders at TSMC for their Nova Lake CPUs, as Team Blue plans out a massive comeback in the desktop processor segment.

wccftech.com

Intel are so fucking out of touch. Skipping two gens for AMD was the right call.

 

[Black_Stride]

12th gen is old, 13th and 14th are ticking timebomb, and the so called new Ultra is running on already dead socket.

I'm going AMD this year.

ArrowLakeR is this year.
Zen 6 and NovaLake are both next year.
Zen 6 likely the last AM5.
Nova and RazorLake are likely both on LGA19xx.
IF you are getting a new CPU and the socket matters AM5 is towards the end of its life and LGA19xx is at the start.


The whole sticking to a socket thing isnt a dire as many would have you think because CPU upgrades happen pretty much as new sockets are released.
Im still on LGA1700 by the time im going to upgrade this CPU LGA19xx and AM6 will both be "new" so iill likely wait for the teething period.......the upgrade after that will again be on new sockets for both Intel and AMD.

 

[winjer]

Yup. Weird after seeing that their 18A process is going pretty well.

Last time I heard rumors about their A18 yields, it was still at around 30%. An improvement over previous months, still bad for mass production.
For Intel to pick TSMC again, probably means those rumors are real. Or maybe worse.

 

[b0uncyfr0]

You're already loosing hard, and then decide to make it more expensive for ppl to onboard onto your platform.

Marketing geniuses lol

 

[Skifi28]

It should be news when they don't use a new socket.

 

[MayauMiao]

ArrowLakeR is this year.
Zen 6 and NovaLake are both next year.
Zen 6 likely the last AM5.
Nova and RazorLake are likely both on LGA19xx.
IF you are getting a new CPU and the socket matters AM5 is towards the end of its life and LGA19xx is at the start.


The whole sticking to a socket thing isnt a dire as many would have you think because CPU upgrades happen pretty much as new sockets are released.
Im still on LGA1700 by the time im going to upgrade this CPU LGA19xx and AM6 will both be "new" so iill likely wait for the teething period.......the upgrade after that will again be on new sockets for both Intel and AMD.

At least AM5 I will have to option to get the budget CPU first (eyeing the Ryzen 7500F), and somewhere along the way will upgrade the CPU to the latest one in 2027.

I can't find anything budget for the 1851 socket.

 

[Black_Stride]

At least AM5 I will have to option to get the budget CPU first (eyeing the Ryzen 7500F), and somewhere along the way will upgrade the CPU to the latest one in 2027.

I can't find anything budget for the 1851 socket.

Ive been running a 12400 LGA1700 since it launched someone had one for well below market price at the time.
My intention was to upgrade to a 13 or 14th gen K chip down the line.
The 12400 hasnt shown its age yet, so its still powering my rig today.

If you got a 13400 or 14400 which I believe are now around the 100 dollar mark and a B motherboard you'll hold out easily till AM6/LGA1900.

True indeed you could easily get a budget AM5 then upgrade to 10800X3D down the line and that would be a good boost.


Realistically though almost any modern CPU eats through pretty much any modern game, people are now hunting those last few FPS at well above 120 when comparing the upper echelons.

Always funny people calling ArrowLake and Intel in general a failure when ArrowLake still performs at or above Ryzen 9000 and in productivity the chips perform really well.

If NovaLake is that much of an upgrade then Intel will still be viable even if people will have you believe Intel isnt viable for anything.

I dont see them taking the Gaming CPU crown away from X3D chips unless they really up the cache, NovaLake and RazorLake will need to do something special otherwise those presentations are gonna be interesting.

 

[Insane Metal]

Ive been running a 12400 LGA1700 since it launched someone had one for well below market price at the time.
My intention was to upgrade to a 13 or 14th gen K chip down the line.
The 12400 hasnt shown its age yet, so its still powering my rig today.

If you got a 13400 or 14400 which I believe are now around the 100 dollar mark and a B motherboard you'll hold out easily till AM6/LGA1900.

True indeed you could easily get a budget AM5 then upgrade to 10800X3D down the line and that would be a good boost.


Realistically though almost any modern CPU eats through pretty much any modern game, people are now hunting those last few FPS at well above 120 when comparing the upper echelons.

Always funny people calling ArrowLake and Intel in general a failure when ArrowLake still performs at or above Ryzen 9000 and in productivity the chips perform really well.

If NovaLake is that much of an upgrade then Intel will still be viable even if people will have you believe Intel isnt viable for anything.

I dont see them taking the Gaming CPU crown away from X3D chips unless they really up the cache, NovaLake and RazorLake will need to do something special otherwise those presentations are gonna be interesting.

True. I'm sporting a 10400F with a 4060Ti and it's been better than I expected tbh, but obviously a 12th gen would be much better.

 

[CobraAB]

Intel has turned into a show now.

 

[Black_Stride]

Intel has turned into a show now.

Cuz they are moving to a new socket?
Intel have always moved to new sockets after 2 or 3 generations.
Hell I dont think I ever even saw a Haswell motherboard IRL.


And its not exactly like Arrowlake was a 5th or 11th gen, yeah ArrowLake didnt beat RaptorLake in gaming, but it beat it in productivity and had much better thermals and power draw.
If NovaLake and by proxy RazorLake improves everything then NovaLake will be a good CPU even upgrading from a 12 or 13th gen (like me).
Not having the fastest gaming CPU doesnt take away from the rest of the stack.

 

[Caffeine]

12th gen is old, 13th and 14th are ticking timebomb, and the so called new Ultra is running on already dead socket.

I'm going AMD this year.

And I'm still rocking 9th gen just fine lol

 

[MayauMiao]

And I'm still rocking 9th gen just fine lol

Unfortunately I can't play games like Devil May Cry V because the lack of core on my proc caused the game to be laggy. 4 cores just won't cut it.

 

[Insane Metal]

Intel Q1 2025 Earnings: Lip Bu-Tan Eschews Layoffs For Now, Guidance Is Wholly Disappointing

Intel likely benefited from the pull-forward of demand during Q1 2025, as retailers and consumers alike tried to front-run Trump's tariffs.

wccftech.com

They keep going down.

 

[Celcius]

I'm glad I switched back to AMD with a 9800X3D

 

[Danknugz]

probably wait for this to build my next rig then. currently on socket 1700 with the 13900k and if i ever get my hands on a 5090 just use this with it until then.

 

[StereoVsn]

Sheer incompetence is mind boggling. Three bad CEOs and a decade of fuck ups got them there. Sigh…

Edit: I Switched to 7800x3d when that came out after a non stop Intel since Core 2 Duo chip was released, and had 8700K followed by 10700K (8700k got fried by a bad PSU) before 7800x3d.

 

[hooijdonk17]

Can Intel just fold and get bought out by someone already? They have managed to turn themselves from being the "Intel Inside" defacto to the cringe buy in the span of a decade. Well done..

 

[ResilientBanana]

I'd rather them use a socket that will provide a chip that's better than the shit they have now. Very rarely do I upgrade my processor without upgrading my motherboard, as there is a benefit to upgrading your chipset as well.