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-jinx- said:
Given the interface, I don't think this is such an easy job.

What is your idea about how it ought to be implemented using multitouch?
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The way it works now on any Mac trackpad would be fine and is technically workable - one finger to drag-select, then two finger tap for "right click" functions like cut/copy/paste.
 
koam, awesome, thanks. Good to know that it's there. I think I'll just hold off until 2.0 actually does come out. No point in fooling around with my phone when everything works 100% perfectly right now.
 
666 said:
So can the iPhone not play standard flash videos? We don't have them in Aust. yet, but I just assumed it would... That's ridiculous!
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Flash video is poorly supported by smartphones right now so it's not that much of a big deal, IMHO. The lack of basic smartphone functions like copy and paste, however, is ridiculous.
 
I read a rumor the 2nd gen iPhone might come in multiple flavors; one with a slide-out keyboard that is designed more for communication, one in the current style focused more on multimedia, etc. I'm thinking that's actually pretty plausable and likely. Considering one of the iPhone's biggest criticisms is lack of a keyboard and Apple's recent push into enterprise territory, I can see it happening. And if a QWERTY slide does happen, it's all over. I'll run to the store to buy one.
 
Mason said:
I read a rumor the 2nd gen iPhone might come in multiple flavors; one with a slide-out keyboard that is designed more for communication, one in the current style focused more on multimedia, etc. I'm thinking that's actually pretty plausable and likely. Considering one of the iPhone's biggest criticisms is lack of a keyboard and Apple's recent push into enterprise territory, I can see it happening. And if a QWERTY slide does happen, it's all over. I'll run to the store to buy one.
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Sounds like a load of bull to me. The whole design of the iPhone is based around the idea that a reconfigurable, bitmapped interface trumps having fixed plastic keys. Steve Jobs stood up on stage and talked for an hour about how smartphones with keyboards were a bad idea.
 
ckohler said:
Sounds like a load of bull to me. The whole design of the iPhone is based around the idea that a reconfigurable, bitmapped interface trumps having fixed plastic keys. Steve Jobs stood up on stage and talked for an hour about how smartphones with keyboards were a bad idea.
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Yeah, I don't believe this either. While I respect that some people want a keyboard with tactile feedback, once you get use to the iPhone's onscreen keyboard, it's really quite nice, and the fact that it can be reconfigured as needed in context, is great.
 
Bboy AJ said:
koam, awesome, thanks. Good to know that it's there. I think I'll just hold off until 2.0 actually does come out. No point in fooling around with my phone when everything works 100% perfectly right now.
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I did my friend's because i had to return, it was actually super easy to do. I haven't done mine or her replacement one yet cuz i'm lazy but don't fret, it's super easy to do and takes about 3 minutes (just like unlocking it).
 
Mason said:
I read a rumor the 2nd gen iPhone might come in multiple flavors; one with a slide-out keyboard that is designed more for communication, one in the current style focused more on multimedia, etc. I'm thinking that's actually pretty plausable and likely. Considering one of the iPhone's biggest criticisms is lack of a keyboard and Apple's recent push into enterprise territory, I can see it happening. And if a QWERTY slide does happen, it's all over. I'll run to the store to buy one.
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Steve Jobs runs a tighter ship than most fascists, but he doesn't have many design rules so potent that they leak publicly.

Except for one.

Steve. Hates. Buttons.
 
I'm looking forward to the Gen 2 iPhone, that said. As with all apple products, gen 1 is proof of concept that you can buy, then the real launch is gen 2, and the awesome launch with a realistic price is gen 3.

Gen 3 will have undeniable power against my purchasosity.
 
koam said:
I ran bootneuter on my friend's phone and got her bootloader back to 4.6. I then ran ZiPhone and pressed the fourth button on the left so that i can be able to do a firmware update in itunes. I then updated her firmware back to a stock 1.1.4 and we drove to albany and returned it no problems :)



Yeah do it now with bootneuter, it's super easy:

Bootneuter: add this to your sources http://sendowski.de/iphone
Here's the tutorial i used: http://youtube.com/watch?v=kWEJRu24pw0
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Is it required to put the bootloader back to 4.6 if you have to take it back to the apple store? I did a clean restore and did the refurbish option in ziphone and put 1.1.4 through itunes on it.
 
Mason said:
I read a rumor the 2nd gen iPhone might come in multiple flavors; one with a slide-out keyboard that is designed more for communication, one in the current style focused more on multimedia, etc. I'm thinking that's actually pretty plausable and likely. Considering one of the iPhone's biggest criticisms is lack of a keyboard and Apple's recent push into enterprise territory, I can see it happening. And if a QWERTY slide does happen, it's all over. I'll run to the store to buy one.
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HIGHLY unlikely as the touch keyboard is working well in enterprise territory. The only thing that has caused them problem has been lack of a competent Cisco VPN client and Lotus / Exchange support, both to be remedied shortly.
 
Stinkles said:
The way it works now on any Mac trackpad would be fine and is technically workable - one finger to drag-select, then two finger tap for "right click" functions like cut/copy/paste.
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You'd have to change the way the entire cocoa touch gesture interface works in order to do that.
 
Phoenix said:
HIGHLY unlikely as the touch keyboard is working well in enterprise territory. The only thing that has caused them problem has been lack of a competent Cisco VPN client and Lotus / Exchange support, both to be remedied shortly.
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Hey Phoenix, aside from this random flash-in-the-pan press release by IBM in January that they were bringing Lotus to the iPhone, has there been any word since?
 
Juice said:
Hey Phoenix, aside from this random flash-in-the-pan press release by IBM in January that they were bringing Lotus to the iPhone, has there been any word since?
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No, but I have seem talk of it in dev circles in the form of weird compatibility issues.
 
So, I have been restoring my iPhone a lot of times these couple days, but today, nothing seems to work. I had installed a lot of stuff on it, then I wanted to move all my stuff from the internal memory to the 8GB and it went sucesfully.

Then it reloads, and the apple logo is stuck with a loading circle. Now, I use to hold down the HOME-button as well as the 'turn on/off' button and then releasing the 'turn off/on' button when it restarts. The problem this time is, that the 'link to iTunes' screen doesn't show up and it gets stuck at the Apple logo once again.

What should I do? (I got six days left til the vacation) =/
 
Mason said:
He needs to get over it because that's the only thing holding me and a lot of other people back from buying an iPhone.
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And I sincerely hope they don't. The on screen keyboard destoys any qwerty pad Ive ever used. Some of my coworkers and I had a little speed typing test, they were using an LG Voyager and a Blackberry. I blew them out of the water. It wasn't even close. Once you get used to the iPhone, a regular Qwerty feels like a mushy mess.
 
Mason said:
He needs to get over it because that's the only thing holding me and a lot of other people back from buying an iPhone.
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Who cares about you?

Anyway, here's the latest *very* reliable rumor via Engadget and Ryan Block. That means it's likely real.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/25/the-second-gen-iphone-3g-gps-only-slightly-thicker/

Engadget said:
So we've got it on authority that the second-gen iPhone is already well into testing, and numerous units are floating around in super secret pockets. A trusted source got a chance to check one out, here's what we've heard.

* The first thing people will notice: the 2nd gen iPhone will be about the same size and shape as the first gen.
* It will, of course, have 3G. And proper GPS!
* The most noticeable physical difference is back of the phone is no longer metal -- the whole thing is glossy black, from top to bottom. The volume buttons are now chrome.
* Because it's got a little less metal to deal with, it doesn't have quite as many angular edges. The battery is (still) not removable.
* The phone itself will be slightly thicker than the first gen device.
* The headphone jack will no longer be recessed, and will finally be flush with the body.
* The device itself uses roughly the same size and resolution screen as the first generation product.
* No solid word on battery life or storage capacity.

It could ship (or be introduced) as early as July -- but it's worth noting that none of this is necessarily finalized, and any of it could change between now and its introduction. You really never know with Apple!
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Sounds dope. I hate the look of the iPhone, and a glossy black body is delish. Don't even start about that shit scratching. Anything you keep with you for a certain amount of time will scratch. Period. And GPS! This phone finally sounds like a good purchase.
 
Nick said:
Who cares about you?

Anyway, here's the latest *very* reliable rumor via Engadget and Ryan Block. That means it's likely real.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/25/the-second-gen-iphone-3g-gps-only-slightly-thicker/


Sounds dope. I hate the look of the iPhone, and a glossy black body is delish. Don't even start about that shit scratching. Anything you keep with you for a certain amount of time will scratch. Period. And GPS! This phone finally sounds like a good purchase.
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GPS is entirely unnecessary for the phone to be honest. The use cases for software on the phone don't require it - unless you REALLY plan to use your phone as a navigation unit, which would just be stupid.
 
Nick said:
Who cares about you?

Anyway, here's the latest *very* reliable rumor via Engadget and Ryan Block. That means it's likely real.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/25/the-second-gen-iphone-3g-gps-only-slightly-thicker/


Sounds dope. I hate the look of the iPhone, and a glossy black body is delish. Don't even start about that shit scratching. Anything you keep with you for a certain amount of time will scratch. Period. And GPS! This phone finally sounds like a good purchase.
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About time! So sold if all of this is true. Take my money Apple, I'm begging you!
 
Phoenix said:
GPS is entirely unnecessary for the phone to be honest. The use cases for software on the phone don't require it - unless you REALLY plan to use your phone as a navigation unit, which would just be stupid.
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I'm psyched to get some reliable looking rumors coming through; not pleased they report it being thicker. (If fictional, it's a great bone to throw to skeptics to make it more realistic)

GPS is a worthwhile bullet point to have. Just today a coworker was driving me to Midway and by the time Google Maps had generated directions for my location to the airport, they were well out of date and had assumed we were on the other side of the highway. In that instance, I imagine 3G + GPS would be quite a lot more useful.

The chrome doesn't help the aesthetic of the phone (it's durable as hell, though), but the back is almost entirely malleable, and definitely is the recipient of the most cosmetic wear & tear of the phones I've seen.
 
So cosmetic differences, 3G, and GPS? Don't care if that's it. Fine with me, I just need some firmware updates because there are some immense problems with this phone that can easily be fixed (mass deleting, disable Safari pictures, copy and paste.) Then it would be far more usable.
 
A proper GPS would kick ass. That has always been my #1 wishlist feature. I only wish there was such a way to add such functionality to the existing iphone instead of having to buy a new one. :(
 
Stoney Mason said:
A proper GPS would kick ass. That has always been my #1 wishlist feature. I only wish there was such a way to add such functionality to the existing iphone instead of having to buy a new one. :(
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The workaround they introduced for the first iPhone screamed "We wanted to do this for real, but ran out of time." A proper GPS solution should come hand in hand with such a tailored-to-fit version of Google Maps, and it's a pretty big line-item on my "iPhone complaints" list. It's cool that they've got that covered.

Still not lining up at the Apple Store, though.:) I'm fine with carrying multiple gadgets, my bag's big and losing one doesn't mean I lose 'em all.
 
really awsome stuff !
I need a Iphone 3G

one misstake Apple did was not having 3g in the FIRST Iphone!

what a bunch of idiots, majority of EURO land wouldnt buy a crappy phone with NO 3G, atleast here in sweden, 3g is like OLD here, seems apple been hiding in a damn cave during the development of Iphone!
 
Phoenix said:
GPS is entirely unnecessary for the phone to be honest. The use cases for software on the phone don't require it - unless you REALLY plan to use your phone as a navigation unit, which would just be stupid.
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Why would it be stupid?
 
robertsan21 said:
really awsome stuff !
I need a Iphone 3G

one misstake Apple did was not having 3g in the FIRST Iphone!

what a bunch of idiots, majority of EURO land wouldnt buy a crappy phone with NO 3G, atleast here in sweden, 3g is like OLD here, seems apple been hiding in a damn cave during the development of Iphone!
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Except that 3G kills battery life, and the current iPhone can go through it's current battery fast enough depending on what you're dong with it. GPS can put a similar hit on it. A year later, and the 3G/GPS chips are much more efficient. The 3G chip that is mentioned in the latest firmware also has support for a 5MP camera, but I haven't heard anything about GPS for sure.

BTW, this story has been debunked today, as the glossy back that's been making the rounds turned out to be for an iPhone case.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Rumor has it that the new SDK (version 4 I believe) has given developers the ability to run apps in the background. Hope it's true.
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Not quite, there's additional stuff in the API to support it now, but the Terms of Use for the SDK still forbid it.
 
ant1532 said:
What is everyone doing who wants the new phone but already has a launch one? Sellin it or whats?
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This is a good point to mention: I'm planning on gifting my iPhone to my wife when I buy the new one, then getting us on a family plan.

Sounds like that process has to go something like this:

1. I buy new iPhone, I activate and say I'm replacing phone on my current #
2. I re-activate old iPhone on a new line and port wife's # (after pleading with her father to give me the Verizon PIN to do it).
3. I somehow tie it on the same account (how?)
4. I log onto AT&T and take the two separate lines on the account and associate them on a family plan

It sounds like there's plenty of room for error.
 
boutrosinit said:
Why would it be stupid?
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Because the amount of data that you need to have a real navigation unit and POI database is beyond the capability of the iPhone unless they add an expansion slot.
 
hirokazu said:
Not quite, there's additional stuff in the API to support it now, but the Terms of Use for the SDK still forbid it.
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It would be weird for them to go through all the hassle of putting these things in AppDelegate but then not be able to use it.
 
Phoenix said:
Because the amount of data that you need to have a real navigation unit and POI database is beyond the capability of the iPhone unless they add an expansion slot.
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I'd bet that they'll just layer it on top of Google Maps and pull everything down via the 3G data connection.

Mmm, battery draining-licious!
 
Phoenix said:
It would be weird for them to go through all the hassle of putting these things in AppDelegate but then not be able to use it.
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True, they'll probably let people use it in a future release, though I'd imagine they'd still try to restrict t somewhat so as to not murder the current iPhone's already short runtime on a single charge.
 
xsarien said:
I'd bet that they'll just layer it on top of Google Maps and pull everything down via the 3G data connection.

Mmm, battery draining-licious!
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That's the bigger problem with doing an pure data pull feed. That and that Google is expressly forbidden from providing driving services in the form of a GPS system by the people who provide their data. Otherwise you would have seen a GPS from Google, Yahoo, MSN by now.
 
Phoenix said:
That's the bigger problem with doing an pure data pull feed. That and that Google is expressly forbidden from providing driving services in the form of a GPS system by the people who provide their data. Otherwise you would have seen a GPS from Google, Yahoo, MSN by now.
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Why are they so forbidden?
I didn't know this and it makes me sad, I really want GPS for navigating the city.
 
Phoenix said:
Because then nobody would license the data for GPS units.
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Just to entertain the notion that the iPhone is now going to replace all the TomToms out there: what if Apple licensed the maps and then continued to build it on top of Google Maps and pipe it over the 3G, just caching the last few local regions to the phone?
 
good news for those that have been waiting for the 3G version..

http://techland.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/04/29/att-to-cut-the-price-of-apples-new-iphone/

AT&T (T) is planning to put some extra shine on the even sleeker new Apple (AAPL) iPhone.

When the 3G iPhone is introduced this summer, AT&T, the exclusive U.S. iPhone sales partner with Apple, will cut the price by as much as $200, according to a person familiar with the strategy.

AT&T is preparing to subsidize $200 of the cost of a new iPhone, bringing the price down to $199 for customers who sign two-year contracts, the source says. Apple is expected to have two versions of the new iPhone, an 8-gigabit-memory and a 16-gigabit-memory model with price tags widely expected to be $399 and $499.
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glad i waited.
 
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