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A question: can the 3G iPhone receive MMS messages, and is there any chance of an unofficial MMS app being released at some point in the future?
 
Another question: How do you setup your AT&T number email (5558675309@mms.att.net) on the email application? I've done a search but can't find the IMAP/POP settings, etc.
 
Phoenix said:
Yeah and these things are typical when you allow native memory/controller access to a platform. I recall Jobs saying that this was a bad idea back in the day. If only there was a way to write mobile applications that didn't rely on native memory and pointer manipulation to work - what if there was another way to do it that came with mature tools that draw things as vectors which could easily be accelerated as tiles on the deferred rendering architecture. What is one of these methods was actually ON THE PROCESSOR so they could run quickluy but simply wasn't turned on because it wasn't licensed.

Ah well, certainly these things couldn't exist (Java/.Net,Flash) because it would make too much damn sense for them to be enabled on the platform.
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How biting! :P

I love Java, but I'm definitely a huge fan that Apple didn't sandbox the apps into a MIDP profile. That said, I think the fact that Objective-C provides memory access/pointers on Mac OS X is silly. Sandboxes are your friend if you're not encoding production video.
 
AirBrian said:
Another question: How do you setup your AT&T number email (5558675309@mms.att.net) on the email application? I've done a search but can't find the IMAP/POP settings, etc.
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You don't set up an e-mail for that. If someone sends a message to that address, it'll show up on your phone as a text or MMS message, depending on the gateway you use.
 
ckohler said:
Perhaps we could simply start by building a simple NeoGAF viewer app and leave the posting and account related stuff for later.
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That's what I did. The reply-to button opened the reply link in a new Safari window.

I've got some vacation coming up; maybe I'll have some time to re-build my scraper / JSON service in Python... piqued my interest.

If I did it that way, then I could expose the service and document it so someone could put it on a thick client as well as a thin one.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
You don't set up an e-mail for that. If someone sends a message to that address, it'll show up on your phone as a text or MMS message, depending on the gateway you use.
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Weird, I've sent an email to my MMS email account and had a friend send an MMS to my phone but neither have shown up. This was about an hour ago.
 
AirBrian said:
Weird, I've sent an email to my MMS email account and had a friend send an MMS to my phone but neither have shown up. This was about an hour ago.
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The iPhone doesn't do MMS, so where do you think they're going to go?
 
The battery meter is so deceiving. When it looks like I have a third of battery I actually have like half left. Also, when I go into the red it still takes forever for the 20% left message to come up.
 
Juice said:
That's what I did. The reply-to button opened the reply link in a new Safari window.

I've got some vacation coming up; maybe I'll have some time to re-build my scraper / JSON service in Python... piqued my interest.

If I did it that way, then I could expose the service and document it so someone could put it on a thick client as well as a thin one.
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That would be fantastic, Juice! I'll start drafting up some XML specifications that a thin client could use. I've created XML documents in the past for projects at work so I'm certain I can come up with something that's smart and flexible.

Phoenix, I hope you are still interested in making an iPhone NeoGAF client if that's all you would have to do. I'm available to mock up additional UI screens if you need more inspiration.
 
My car stereo supports iPods and it worked fine with my old iPhone, it played music and charged the battery. Now with the iPhone 3G, it'll play music but will not charge the battery. It says "Charging is not supported with this accessory." This doesn't make sense because it charged the old iPhone perfectly.

I was counting on being able to charge it this way so that I could use GPS without it draining the battery.

Has anyone else had this problem?

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DaCocoBrova said:
Airplane mode is your friend. Get acquainted.

If you're in an enviroment where you get little to no reception, just turn on APM and you'll notice a dramatic difference in how long the battery lasts.
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Well, this isn't a solution for my day at work. Turning on airplane mode would mean that I am no longer carrying a phone, just an iPod. I do need my phone to be on.

I think tomorrow I'll try to mimic the same usage I had today but with 3G off to see if there's any difference. (I'm pretty sure I should not be seeing 30% battery life after only 20 minutes of data usage and 3 hours of music playback in 6-7 hours)
 
ckohler said:
That would be fantastic, Juice! I'll start drafting up some XML specifications that a thin client could use. I've created XML documents in the past for projects at work so I'm certain I can come up with something that's smart and flexible.

Phoenix, I hope you are still interested in making an iPhone NeoGAF client if that's all you would have to do. I'm available to mock up additional UI screens if you need more inspiration.
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Don't sign me up quite yet. The current implementation is REST-to-JSON because I had to be able to easily do AJAX across differing domains. I'm too much of a python newb to throw a new schema into the mix (Real reason is that I really don't want to rewrite my messy client-side JS)
 
SPARTEN II said:
My car stereo supports iPods and it worked fine with my old iPhone, it played music and charged the battery. Now with the iPhone 3G, it'll play music but will not charge the battery. It says "Charging is not supported with this accessory." This doesn't make sense because it charged the old iPhone perfectly.

I was counting on being able to charge it this way so that I could use GPS without it draining the battery.

Has anyone else had this problem?

iphonechargeproblem.png
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Yup. Sucks Balls. I have an Alpine head unit in my car with an iPod adapter. I didn't expect iPhone3G to play through it but I would have at least accepted a Charge out of it. I get this same message when I plug it in.

Also, I brought my iPhone3G to my friends house, sat it in his iPod Speaker Dock and got the same message. Will not even charge.

WTF.

I guess we have to wait for a whole new line of products to support iPhone3G Charging. So Gay.
 
NJ x Falkor said:
Yup. Sucks Balls. I have an Alpine head unit in my car with an iPod adapter. I didn't expect iPhone3G to play through it but I would have at least accepted a Charge out of it. I get this same message when I plug it in.

Also, I brought my iPhone3G to my friends house, sat it in his iPod Speaker Dock and got the same message. Will not even charge.

WTF.

I guess we have to wait for a whole new line of products to support iPhone3G Charging. So Gay.
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Well if you are a big enough of a sucker to pay for it, then it is just the market working.
 
rogers can go eat a turd sandwich.

i ordered on sunday ("oh we still have it in stock, lucky you!").

nothing comes all week, so i call today to get a tracking number ("oh, we got a restock in yesterday, but it all sold out really fast, sorry!")

i mention that i ordered it on sunday, which chronologically, comes before 'yesterday' in this specific context ("er, sorry. call again monday. bye!")

ARGHJSD:gdjka
 
NJ x Falkor said:
Yup. Sucks Balls. I have an Alpine head unit in my car with an iPod adapter. I didn't expect iPhone3G to play through it but I would have at least accepted a Charge out of it. I get this same message when I plug it in.

Also, I brought my iPhone3G to my friends house, sat it in his iPod Speaker Dock and got the same message. Will not even charge.

WTF.

I guess we have to wait for a whole new line of products to support iPhone3G Charging. So Gay.
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I figured out why it won't charge. The iPhone 3G doesn't support charging with FireWire, only USB. The Alpine iPod adapter uses the FireWire pins on the dock connector to charge.

Someone who is good at soldering could probably mod the cable to send the power through the USB charging pins instead of the FireWire pins. But that would be difficult because FireWire uses 12V power and USB uses 5V power.
 
SPARTEN II said:
I figured out why it won't charge. The iPhone 3G doesn't support charging with FireWire, only USB. The Alpine iPod adapter uses the FireWire pins on the dock connector to charge.

Someone who is good at soldering could probably mod the cable to send the power through the USB charging pins instead of the FireWire pins. But that would be difficult because FireWire uses 12V power and USB uses 5V power.
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Good catch. That sucks. Glad I didn't bite, as my car charger + headphone out / amp thingy probably uses firewire pins
 
New Twitter client was just released -- Twinkle. I hear this one had quite a bit of buzz when it was available for jailbroken phones. Pretty nice app (especially the location thing). However...it's crashed on me twice already. Never a good sign.

So...I might stick with Twittelator for the time being though.
 
SuperPac said:
New Twitter client was just released -- Twinkle. I hear this one had quite a bit of buzz when it was available for jailbroken phones. Pretty nice app (especially the location thing). However...it's crashed on me twice already. Never a good sign.

So...I might stick with Twittelator for the time being though.
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I think we have enough Twitter clients at this point.
 
NJ x Falkor said:
Yup. Sucks Balls. I have an Alpine head unit in my car with an iPod adapter. I didn't expect iPhone3G to play through it but I would have at least accepted a Charge out of it. I get this same message when I plug it in.

Also, I brought my iPhone3G to my friends house, sat it in his iPod Speaker Dock and got the same message. Will not even charge.

WTF.

I guess we have to wait for a whole new line of products to support iPhone3G Charging. So Gay.
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Yeah, I was reading about that in the iLounge review. They were not really pleased about that development either.
 
NJ x Falkor said:
Yup. Sucks Balls. I have an Alpine head unit in my car with an iPod adapter. I didn't expect iPhone3G to play through it but I would have at least accepted a Charge out of it. I get this same message when I plug it in.

Also, I brought my iPhone3G to my friends house, sat it in his iPod Speaker Dock and got the same message. Will not even charge.

WTF.

I guess we have to wait for a whole new line of products to support iPhone3G Charging. So Gay.
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i have a belkin car charger/fm tuner for my ipod that works with my iphone...

i don't even have to turn to airplane mode... although the message tells me to.. i just click no.

and it also charges.
 
My phone's case broke yesterday when I tried to remove it (two of the tabs that lock it together broke off).
I'm looking for something nice with a clip holster, and I was told a Speck SeeThru would be a good bet, because you could face the screen the other way in the holster and it would provide adequate screen protection while in my pocket.
Anyone else used a Speck case and willing to vouch for their quality?

Ninja Scooter said:
are people really buying the iBeer app?
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Yep. This is what happens when retards have too much money. I was truly sickened by some of the garbage on the App Store when I saw the one thing the App Store didn't need: More Cowbell.
 
Terrell said:
Yep. This is what happens when retards have too much money. I was truly sickened by some of the garbage on the App Store when I saw the one thing the App Store didn't need: More Cowbell.
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Woo! Thanks for the tip. I got a fever...
 
Juice said:
How biting! :P

I love Java, but I'm definitely a huge fan that Apple didn't sandbox the apps into a MIDP profile. That said, I think the fact that Objective-C provides memory access/pointers on Mac OS X is silly. Sandboxes are your friend if you're not encoding production video.
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I was thinking more in terms of bring the JVM over and extending the Cocoa-Java bindings to UI-Kit. We would have had the sanbox, the ability to build in InterfaceBuilder and the ability to not have random applications screwing up because people suck at pointers and memory allocation. For that matter, it still pisses me off to no end that Apple didn't bring the garbage collector over. Most bugs in any system written in C come from pointer mangling and memory munging. After all Jobs talk about not building applications that can crash phones or take down networks, he gave people ALL the tools they needed to do just that!
 
Juice said:
That's what I did. The reply-to button opened the reply link in a new Safari window.

I've got some vacation coming up; maybe I'll have some time to re-build my scraper / JSON service in Python... piqued my interest.

If I did it that way, then I could expose the service and document it so someone could put it on a thick client as well as a thin one.
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You do that - and I'll build the front end. Its really not a lot of work, just some ViewControllers and web service calls. Could be done with my part in a few days.
 
AirBrian said:
I thought you're supposed to get a SMS with a website link?
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You were supposed to receive a link. If you didn't something is broken with AT&T as they are the ones that proxy the SMS/MMS messages.
 
Phoenix said:
http://bugreport.apple.com

If you don't tell them (and tell your friends to tell them) they will assume its a low priority thing (like copy/paste is apparently).
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What's the difference between the bugreport and feedback pages?

Is feedback ignored while bugreport is actually taken seriously? Plus, wouldn't the 3G toggle technically be feedback anyway and not a bug?
 
My phone is STILL showing backordered on the AT&T site. Argh...my patience is absolutely zero. I ordered last Saturday and was told I should probably have it this week. That's now obviously not going to happen.
 
goodcow said:
What's the difference between the bugreport and feedback pages?

Is feedback ignored while bugreport is actually taken seriously? Plus, wouldn't the 3G toggle technically be feedback anyway and not a bug?
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Feedback isn't guaranteed to get a response. You report a bug and somebody has to send you an email and close it :)

At the very least you'll get something of this variety:

Hello #######,

This is a follow up to Bug ID# #######. After further investigation it has been determined that this is a known issue, which is currently being investigated by engineering. This issue has been filed in our bug database under the original Bug ID# #######. The original bug number being used to track this duplicate issue can be found in the State column, in this format: Duplicate/OrigBug#.

If you have any additional questions related to this bug or wish to check on status of the original issue, please update this bug report or send an email to <devbugs@apple.com>, referencing your Bug ID# #######.

Thank you for submitting this bug report. We truly appreciate your assistance in helping us discover and isolate bugs.

Best Regards,
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Superblatt said:
My phone is STILL showing backordered on the AT&T site. Argh...my patience is absolutely zero. I ordered last Saturday and was told I should probably have it this week. That's now obviously not going to happen.
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I don't know why they chose to lie to their customers. AT&T had no way of getting most people iPhones in 3-5 days. Hell the Apple stores are running out of stock now. Lenox in Atlanta which appeared to have an infinite number of phones is going bone dry today.
 
Phoenix said:
I don't know why they chose to lie to their customers. AT&T had no way of getting most people iPhones in 3-5 days. Hell the Apple stores are running out of stock now. Lenox in Atlanta which appeared to have an infinite number of phones is going bone dry today.
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So I guess I should have just gone to the Apple store here at Old Orchard Mall in Skokie and grabbed one. Now that they've charged me (which is bullshit since it hasn't shipped) I really don't have a choice but to wait.
 
Superblatt said:
So I guess I should have just gone to the Apple store here at Old Orchard Mall in Skokie and grabbed one. Now that they've charged me (which is bullshit since it hasn't shipped) I really don't have a choice but to wait.
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I guess you answered the question of why they chose to lie to their customers.
 
Superblatt said:
My phone is STILL showing backordered on the AT&T site. Argh...my patience is absolutely zero. I ordered last Saturday and was told I should probably have it this week. That's now obviously not going to happen.
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Appleinsider talks about AT&T business orders but it's also affecting retail supplies:
Memos circulating around AT&T and obtained by AppleInsider are warning AT&T business sales consultants that any workplace-related orders placed from Sunday the 13th onwards won't be fulfilled for at least another 10 to 14 days.

The telecoms company isn't asking orders to be halted but says new orders will immediately appear as backordered.

And while both AT&T and its corporate clients are aware that sheer demand is the cause, the delay is severe enough to frustrate corporate buyers, few of whom are used to seeing unexpected shipping delays.

"I have an enterprise account and could not get an iPhone for any price," one such buyer tells AppleInsider. "I thought Apple had finally figured out the whole business thing but alas it seems not."

The situation is little better for AT&T's bread-and-butter personal customers. An informal poll of 50 AT&T stores nationwide by CNET reveals that not one of the locations has any iPhone models to sell, and none of these stores can promise new shipments within the week.

These stores are receiving short term shipments but can't guarantee a minimum amount. As little as 10 may ship one day, while 100 ship the next.

For its part, AT&T spokesperson Jenny Parker says the carrier is delivering "tens of thousands" of the new iPhone per day but will only add that it hopes to restock stores as quickly as possible.

Apple, by contrast, still has at least some of its own stores that claim to have iPhones, though these are also running low with multi-hour lineups a frequent sight.
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Phoenix said:
I was thinking more in terms of bring the JVM over and extending the Cocoa-Java bindings to UI-Kit. We would have had the sanbox, the ability to build in InterfaceBuilder and the ability to not have random applications screwing up because people suck at pointers and memory allocation. For that matter, it still pisses me off to no end that Apple didn't bring the garbage collector over. Most bugs in any system written in C come from pointer mangling and memory munging. After all Jobs talk about not building applications that can crash phones or take down networks, he gave people ALL the tools they needed to do just that!
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Oh, them resurrecting the (are they really deprecated? Seems so) Cocoa-Java bindings would have been preferrable. Hell, it's obvious they like Ruby-Cocoa more, why not make a statement...

Also, yeah, I gave up on my first serious iPhone app when I realized they aren't providing GC. 2008 is not the year I teach myself reference counting in C.

Edit: Oh, and I'll look at GAE this weekend and start playing around.
 
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