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I love my iPhone but I still think it's all very clunky, SMS's and menu's take a long time to load for no reason and this is only running on app. Seems like they need to get in there and cut the bloat.
Also it seems that like there is a few missing features that everyone bitches about that Apple could just add and shut people up, but they don't.
Also it seems that like there is a few missing features that everyone bitches about that Apple could just add and shut people up, but they don't.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I don't understand wanting copy and paste on this particular device. I've never had a moment where I needed it. Apple did well enough putting "Email this," "Insert this," and "Save this" and all that other shit in parts of their apps where you would want that functionality.
I did wait for a hilariously long 10 seconds loading up a text message the other day though. Who knows what the phone was doing.
I did wait for a hilariously long 10 seconds loading up a text message the other day though. Who knows what the phone was doing.
One situation (amongst many I've encountered) where this is useful is when you receive an MMS message and AT&T sends you a ridiculous username/password combination that you have to remember (or write down), switch to Safari, and type in.
Now there is that MMS Buddy application that somebody here pointed out (where you take a screenshot of the text message and it parses it), but a simple copy/paste would be helpful there.
Otherwise I am fairly impressed with some things, like being able to save a number when I get a text that says, "Hey, my new phone # is ..."
Now there is that MMS Buddy application that somebody here pointed out (where you take a screenshot of the text message and it parses it), but a simple copy/paste would be helpful there.
Otherwise I am fairly impressed with some things, like being able to save a number when I get a text that says, "Hey, my new phone # is ..."
Copy and paste is still something I would love to have. When I really want to copy something I will sometimes just take a picture of the screen, but copy and paste is probably the one feature I really want in the next update.Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
It would be very convenient to be able to copy certain parts of an email or webpage at times for work.
I use copy and paste all the time while using the internet on my pc. Not having the functionality on the iPhone whenever I browse the net is quite inconvenient. Say if you want to copy some text for a google search or particularly on forums if you want to quote some text or read spoiler tags, can't do it on iPhone.
The problem with Apple is they simply don't listen to a fucking thing their fans want at all.
The problem with Apple is they simply don't listen to a fucking thing their fans want at all.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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You know I've seen a lot of copy/paste functionality demo videos where people are doing like triple touch drag highlighting and shit. What about something where you click a button somewhere that starts "Copy Mode" (maybe three clicks on the Home button as a shortcut for people that know about it?), and then every word/phrase/sentence you tap (it will know the difference between an address, URL, etc) is copied. Keep clicking what you want to copy until you're done. Then there's a "Paste Mode" button that will bring up your list of copied items and you paste what you want. So it'll have saved Copied items from like a month ago if you need it.
I don't keep up with the copy/paste demo video scene, so I don't know if this has been proposed yet. I just know I've seen a lot of ridiculous triple tap/zoom tap/hold + tap garbage that wouldn't be good at all. I don't see highlighting like how it's done on a PC translating well to a handheld device.
I think regarding them not listening to copy/paste, Apple knows they're in a position right now to influence all touchscreen copy/paste functionality for every other brand. (That's not just Apple fanboy shit. We've seen how the iPhone is influencing every single device that's competing with it.) They're just going to take their time and do it right, because whatever they give us will likely be the standard for at least the next decade (unless it's just terrible, or they patent it).
I don't keep up with the copy/paste demo video scene, so I don't know if this has been proposed yet. I just know I've seen a lot of ridiculous triple tap/zoom tap/hold + tap garbage that wouldn't be good at all. I don't see highlighting like how it's done on a PC translating well to a handheld device.
Like what?xabre said:
I think regarding them not listening to copy/paste, Apple knows they're in a position right now to influence all touchscreen copy/paste functionality for every other brand. (That's not just Apple fanboy shit. We've seen how the iPhone is influencing every single device that's competing with it.) They're just going to take their time and do it right, because whatever they give us will likely be the standard for at least the next decade (unless it's just terrible, or they patent it).
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
I don't care how it's done as long as they do it. Which they aren't.
Just an impression I get. iPhone is the only Apple product I've ever owned so I can only speak from that perspective but things like video recording ability, push email, turn by turn gps...people have been clamouring for this stuff for ages. And what's happened? A bunch of bug fixes and that's really it.
Solideliquid
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All I really want is MMS and landscape keyboard with SMS and email.
krypt0nian
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SMS and BT voice dial......
I want the things all my other phones do.
Copy/paste is nice too but at least not EVERY phone does this already.
I want the things all my other phones do.
Copy/paste is nice too but at least not EVERY phone does this already.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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??? The iPhone does push email.xabre said:
Do I have some kind of special iPhone because mine does have push email, contacts, and calender. The push for Yahoo! is a little slower than for my office, but it still works.xabre said:
The video recording and turn by turn GPS seem more like novelty features and I sure that they will eventually be offered on the iTunes store.
Kung Fu Jedi
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How is Cut and Paste handled on the Blackberry Storm?
krypt0nian
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Kung Fu Jedi
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krypt0nian said:
Thanks!
I guess having that Menu button gives it easy access to other functionality.
krypt0nian
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Kung Fu Jedi said:
What if, and I'm certainly no interface expert, when you used the double touch on text, a floating copy button appeared in the center of the selected text? And then in a text entry screen a two finger touch could bring up a paste button floaty?
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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It's too "jumpy." The closest web example is the NYTimes site. When you highlight any text, it brings up this annoying bubble to look up its definition. It's just not obvious and solid enough of an element to work. Dialogs of any sort shouldn't exist unless they are mandatory and require input while shutting down input of anything else.krypt0nian said:What if, and I'm certainly no interface expert, when you used the double touch on text, a floating copy button appeared in the center of the selected text? And then in a text entry screen a two finger touch could bring up a paste button floaty?
I also think what you're describing is a bit too unfamiliar to most people. One of the big things about the iPhone's interface when it came out was that every function was obvious or clever. Pinching images actually zoomed them, and that was an obvious gesture for a lot of people that aren't familiar with computing interfaces. Same with the finger scrolling or tapping icons to open the program. The icons look like buttons. The copy/paste functionality you're describing needs to be explained or shown off to most people for them to know how to use it.
krypt0nian
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I would work great. If morans need to be shown it great.
I'd love to understand the fear of a simple copy/paste. I've just shown how easy it would work. There's nothing floaty about it. Touch beginning/end. Touch copy.
You can set up your own wifi settings on your own. Surely that's far more difficult than touching twice?
Hell no one I'[ve handed my phone to automatically pinched to zoom pictures until I showed them.
Stop playing interference. Bottom line is that it would work and work great. Its no more difficult than canceling the auto-dictionary suggestions while texting.
I'd love to understand the fear of a simple copy/paste. I've just shown how easy it would work. There's nothing floaty about it. Touch beginning/end. Touch copy.
You can set up your own wifi settings on your own. Surely that's far more difficult than touching twice?
Hell no one I'[ve handed my phone to automatically pinched to zoom pictures until I showed them.
Stop playing interference. Bottom line is that it would work and work great. Its no more difficult than canceling the auto-dictionary suggestions while texting.
krypt0nian
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AirBrian said:
Totally agree. And fucking voice dial via BT.
I'm just tired of people pretending that's its not an easy add for some pie in the sky need to keep the interface a certain way.
Hell the other companies are already catching up to the iPhone's interface and aren't afraid of basic phone functions. I would rather keep what I have AND add the missing feature set.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Man you're more defensive and crabby about your ideas than some entry-level designers I've worked with. Take constructive criticism like a man. Repeating "it works great" when it really doesn't isn't a convincing argument.krypt0nian said:
krypt0nian
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Evlar said:
Why wouldn't it?
Touch.Touch.Copy bubble.
Open text window. Touch.Touch.Paste bubble.
I'm just sick and tired of the apple apologists trying to explain away every missing feature from the phone.
"Just email"
"I don't see a need personally"
"It would ruin teh interface simplicity"
Discussing ANYTHING apple with Liu Kang is a waste of typing.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
You mean besides showing that your "pinching to zoom" photo thing was not based in reality?
Nevermind.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I'm not explaining away anything, cupcake. I want copy and paste too. It'd be nice. But your implementation doesn't fit at all with the interface already on the iPhone.krypt0nian said:
Notice how every dialog takes up a lot of the screen and cancels all other possible inputs? For example, clicking the "Reply" button in an e-mail message brings up a "REPLY, FORWARD, CANCEL" dialog that requires input. You can't do anything else until you pick one of those things, and the buttons are huge so you don't miss them. Every dialog on the iPhone is like this. Your copy/paste example is nothing like this. It's called consistency, and the best interfaces in computing all have it.
What are you acting so insane about? The problem isn't discussing Apple with me, it's discussing your ideas with you. You just can't handle constructive criticism like an adult.krypt0nian said:
krypt0nian
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
So what? It would work. You think not adding a feature because it breaks a self-imposed design think is reason enough?
Notice how when you're typing a text and you mispell and a bubble pops up to offer you a chance to correct?
Same thing basically.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Since when did my iPhone push my email to me from my gmail account? And i'm not using that yahoo shit so don't dare say anything of it.
bionic77 said:
Yeah right, still waiting for these mythical applications. I'm more inclined to think Apple have prevented developers from releasing these apps on the iTunes store since they probably have their own stuff in the works for the iPhone 3G successor phone and want to monopolise.
Are you talking about MMS Buddy? It is a good app, butf@luS said:
1) We shouldn't have to pay for an application to handle MMS messages. :lol
2) AT&T's viewmymessage website is a complete fucking joke that doesn't work half the time or times out or takes forever. This also causes any MMS helper app to not work reliably.
If VMM.com was completely reliable and didn't use Flash, which the iPhone can't handle, then I would be content. But until otherwise I'm not satisfied.
And just to keep things in perspective, I love my iPhone and have no regrets about purchasing it. I just can't understand how 90% of all phones on the market handle MMS, but the iPhone cannot. It blows my mind.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Your problem is with Google, not Apple. Apple can't magically change how Google makes Gmail work.xabre said:
That's still a "required" dialog. You either keep typing and accept their correction, or you click the X to cancel it.krypt0nian said:
I still haven't said a single thing about not agreeing that the iPhone should have copy/paste. Why are you saying "you think not adding a feature because..."?
Kung Fu Jedi
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There does need to be a constancy with how any implementation of Cut & Paste works on the iPhone with how everything else works. That's a hallmark of Apple's interface design.
Also, the "touch, touch, bubble" concept might not be completely off the mark, but the accuracy of reading where we tap, or our accuracy in tapping, would have to improve, so that you can put the beginning and ending cursor exactly where it needs to be.
And not many people are just dismissing the missing things as an attempt to defend the iPhone or Apple. I don't use MMS, nor have I ever missed Cut & Paste, but I can still understand why people want them, and they would be nice to have, more so MMS than anything else. I doubt that after these things are implemented that I'll ever really use them much regardless.
Also, the "touch, touch, bubble" concept might not be completely off the mark, but the accuracy of reading where we tap, or our accuracy in tapping, would have to improve, so that you can put the beginning and ending cursor exactly where it needs to be.
And not many people are just dismissing the missing things as an attempt to defend the iPhone or Apple. I don't use MMS, nor have I ever missed Cut & Paste, but I can still understand why people want them, and they would be nice to have, more so MMS than anything else. I doubt that after these things are implemented that I'll ever really use them much regardless.
krypt0nian
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
That wasn't constructive criticism, sweet tits. It was no no it doesn't fit with the holy interface. :lol
So I showed you that the pinch to zoom is not by any means intuitive yet it exists. So too could a 3 touch copy/paste.
But like always, if apple is criticized you get all mental and make shit up.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
No it would not be a required dialog. If you clicked elsewhere in the text window, it would disappear.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Anecdotal evidence isn't convincing. You're not exactly on the top of this argument.krypt0nian said:
Dude, check yourself. You're going a bit off the deep end just because I didn't like your prototype. Notice I haven't said a word to any of the dozens of other Apple criticisms going on in the last few pages. I don't really give a shit. I'm just telling you your idea doesn't work. I'm not assembling any defense force.krypt0nian said:
krypt0nian
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Evlar said:
Nothing would keep it from working from within a text window.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
You said that the touch.touch.copy would need explanation. Please provide evidence that the pinch to zoom is intrinsically intuitive.
You've done nothing but spit words as well.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Your idea wants a double tap to both highlight/copy and to paste text. How would it know what to do in a text entry field?krypt0nian said:
krypt0nian
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Tap copy OR paste? With paste only an option if you have text on the clipboard?
Kung Fu Jedi
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xabre said:
You really are barking up the wrong tree on this one. Google has not chosen to implement Push e-mail for the iPhone yet. Simple as that. In this instance, it has nothing to do with Apple or the device. Seriously, you're going after the wrong company.
I think little copy and paste function buttons in the pop-up keyboard could work well. You hit the copy button that stays highlighted/depressed, touch and drag the text you want to copy (which is highlighted), click the copy button again to exit copy mode. Go where you want to go and hit the paste button. I think you guys are making it overly complex (or I'm just making it overly simple :lol).
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I don't run either company, sorry.xabre said:
I agree with your idea. Basically they would add a "bring up the keyboard" button to every screen somewhere, and then there would be copy and paste buttons. To highlight something to copy, just tap it. Tap multiple words to keep it going, or tap the first word and then the last word you want to get the whole section. Dragging seems too imprecise and too stuck to how we use a mouse rather than understanding how a handheld should work (have to design for dudes with fat fingers).AirBrian said:
krypt0nian
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Evlar said:
Good lord now you're just being ridiculous. I can tap the tiny keyboard buttons with no issues. Yet you have issues with tapping one of two buttons in order to add functionality?
If both were needed, Copy could float above and Paste below. Scary times.
AirBrian said:
Good lord, man. The interface cannot support!!!!oneone111!!! You'll break the time/space fabrics!
Kung Fu Jedi said:
I still want to blame Apple in some way because I just don't like them anymore. They should have made more effort in negotiations with google to ensure gmail push functionality was there on day one. Instead they seem to have left google to their own devices and this has caused the delay.
xabre said:
Stop being dumb.
krypt0nian said:
You've been very angry on the board recently.
From what I was reading I don't think anyone is harping on you. What these guys are saying is a valid point - not that it's a bad idea, just that it doesn't fit with the interface Apple is using. I think they are only trying to say the likelihood that something like that being used is small because of that. Nothing more, nothing less.
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