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[Keylime]

except for RubxQub who just did last page.

...and me, right now.

my iPhone rocks! w00t!

gotta play some drop7 asap.

My only gripe ever with the iPhone is it's battery life. Some days I can easily chew up 2-3 charge cycles from constant usage.

Downloading the TomTom app and potentially using that to replace my standalone unit when the cradle kit comes out is only going to make things worse. When listening to music and using the GPS, the iPhone drains faster than it charges so I wouldn't ever be able to use it on super long car-rides (5-6 hours).

 

[LCfiner]

My only gripe ever with the iPhone is it's battery life. Some days I can easily chew up 2-3 charge cycles from constant usage.

Downloading the TomTom app and potentially using that to replace my standalone unit when the cradle kit comes out is only going to make things worse. When listening to music and using the GPS, the iPhone drains faster than it charges so I wouldn't ever be able to use it on super long car-rides (5-6 hours).

hmm, this will be interesting. I got a trip to toronto coming up this weekend and i plan to use the navigon GPS while charging in a car cradle. let's see if i end up at my hotel with a dead phone. (6 hour drive from mtl)

 

[Tobor]

My only gripe ever with the iPhone is it's battery life. Some days I can easily chew up 2-3 charge cycles from constant usage.

Downloading the TomTom app and potentially using that to replace my standalone unit when the cradle kit comes out is only going to make things worse. When listening to music and using the GPS, the iPhone drains faster than it charges so I wouldn't ever be able to use it on super long car-rides (5-6 hours).

Really? Is there evidence of this? If so, fuck that. I'd rather have my music and a standalone GPS.

 

[Keylime]

Really? Is there evidence of this? If so, fuck that. I'd rather have my music and a standalone GPS.

That is most definitely the case with me. Granted, I left 3G on (WiFi/Bluetooth off) and my brightness slider is at half...so there's still a bit more than I could do.

I'll run a test on my way home from work today to verify.

There shouldn't be any difference in charging strength/time with different cables/adapters should there?

 

[Costanza]

I used Navigon on my recent trip to Atlanta, plugged into an AC jack that the car had and didn't have any problems with the battery draining faster than it could charge. Jailbroken, too.

 

[Keylime]

I used Navigon on my recent trip to Atlanta, plugged into an AC jack that the car had and didn't have any problems with the battery draining faster than it could charge. Jailbroken, too.

I'm using a cigarette lighter adapter to USB cable for my charging. Not sure if there are differences here.

 

[Reese-015]

This thing is nuts! I basically do everything with it I'd do on a laptop if I had one + I do daily vlogs for my YouTube channel on it, uploaded straight from the phone without using my computer for anything. NUTS!

 

[Vennt]

It may be a problem with your charger then, I've used the iPhone & Navigon together for multiple 4-6 hour trips with a kensington in-car charger, and it charges, not drains whilst using GPS & music. (About 1% every 3-4 minutes recharged, not lost.)

 

[Keylime]

It may be a problem with your charger then, I've used the iPhone & Navigon together for multiple 4-6 hour trips with a kensington in-car charger, and it charges, not drains whilst using GPS & music. (About 1% every 3-4 minutes recharged, not lost.)

Hmm....I have another one I can try. Will find out if the results are better with the other one and report back today.

Good news is that I'm likely the odd man out from what everyone's saying.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Mine charges well from the cigarette adapter too. I often play music and just look at my current spot in Google Maps, and it's always full when I take it off. I think your cigarette adapter power is just weaker than normal.

 

[Carlisle]

Sounds like corrosion. Give it a good blow, but I suspect hardware damage.

Thanks! But for whatever reason, the phone is working brilliantly today. Good as new. Yesterday it wouldn't work for anything. It's like it repaired itself overnight :lol

iPhone. It's also a genius bar technician.

 

[Tobor]

Hmm....I have another one I can try. Will find out if the results are better with the other one and report back today.

Good news is that I'm likely the odd man out from what everyone's saying.

Was the charger you were using designed for iPod? Or specifically for iPhone? I have found a few older chargers that don't work well with the iPhone, that's probably your issue.

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

I had a dumb realization over the weekend. As a society we've progressed technologically so much that we take it for granted.

There's a thing in my pocket that's about the size of a deck of cards that is a:

• Phone
• MP3 Player
• Mobile Gaming System
• Mobile Internet Browser
• Mobile Movie Player
• Mobile Book Reader
• GPS Turn by Turn Navigator
• Camera
• Video Camera

Just thinking about how far we've come in my lifetime is pretty crazy. I've definitely said that "technological advances feel like they're slowing down", but it's tough to say that in the face of a device like this.

you forgot instant gaf viewer...

 

[timmy01]

Was the charger you were using designed for iPod? Or specifically for iPhone? I have found a few older chargers that don't work well with the iPhone, that's probably your issue.

yeah, it almost sounds like it might be a firewire based charger. probably not, but I've used google maps for 5 hour drives while listening to music. triple whammy there. GPS, music, and 3G. and it definitely is in a positive charge state.

Thanks! But for whatever reason, the phone is working brilliantly today. Good as new. Yesterday it wouldn't work for anything. It's like it repaired itself overnight :lol

sounds like you lucked out. as long as there is no damage with the moisture (corrosion, shorts, etc) once it dries out it should work perfectly fine. Sounds like it might be the case. I've never been so lucky. Anytime I've had even moderate condensation or moisture on electronics something is certain to short.

 

[Eggo]

You guys comparing Google maps to the TomTom app... that's not a fair comparison. Google maps is nowhere near the battery hog as the TomTom app. I didn't check to see if it drained faster than it was charging, but it's possible. I'll have to check next time. This is in conjunction with the music playing at the same time of course.

 

[Keylime]

You guys comparing Google maps to the TomTom app... that's not a fair comparison. Google maps is nowhere near the battery hog as the TomTom app. I didn't check to see if it drained faster than it was charging, but it's possible. I'll have to check next time. This is in conjunction with the music playing at the same time of course.

Folks are saying that the Navigon app + music = positive charging, though.

I'll try it out again today with a different adapter and see if it makes any difference.

...as a side note, why the hell can't the TomTom app read any of the addresses in my contact list, even if I formatted the streets to match exactly with the ones in the TomTom db?

 

[timmy01]

You guys comparing Google maps to the TomTom app... that's not a fair comparison. Google maps is nowhere near the battery hog as the TomTom app. I didn't check to see if it drained faster than it was charging, but it's possible. I'll have to check next time. This is in conjunction with the music playing at the same time of course.

would actually disagree with this statement, especially if you are traveling in an area fully covered by 3G. tomtom still "may" use more overall... but while google maps might not be a major CPU/GPU hog it is certainly transferring data constantly.

 

[Tobor]

Folks are saying that the Navigon app + music = positive charging, though.

I'll try it out again today with a different adapter and see if it makes any difference.

...as a side note, why the hell can't the TomTom app read any of the addresses in my contact list, even if I formatted the streets to match exactly with the ones in the TomTom db?

Sounds like something they could add in, maybe they ran out of time. GPS apps are starting to rain down, and I would assume they didn't want to be left behind.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

The tomtom app sounds pretty shitty from reading the reviews. Very disappointing...I was hoping for a giant leap over what current car GPS can do, not a step backward for $100 fuckin dollars

 

[Pristine_Condition]

Sounds like something they could add in, maybe they ran out of time. GPS apps are starting to rain down, and I would assume they didn't want to be left behind.

Yeah, I'm waiting for the aftermath of the rapidly approaching Price/Feature War in these Turn-by-Turn GPS apps. The outcome will be delicious, and the bitter tears from early adopters of one app over another at launch prices, inevitable.

 

[Eggo]

So I started a trip at 93% battery, plugged in my iPhone to the car adaptor (cigarette lighter), turned on music, and the TomTom app. Drove about 10 mins to work, and the battery ended at 94%. So from this brief test, it looks like the phone charges positively. Of course, a better test would be a longer drive, preferably with a lot of turns and a phone call or two to shake things up as well.

On a side note, I figured out a way to change songs without exiting the TomTom app... voice control! You remain in the TomTom app, yet you have some control over your music playback. Double tapping home doesn't work, because it boots you from the app, but voice control kicks ass.

Also, TomTom introduced me to a new route to work today using roads less-travelled. I've been taking the same route to work for years, and all this time I had no idea there was a better way to go. IQRoutes FTW.

Lastly, I tried to use an address in my contacts as a TomTom destination, but it failed for me as well. The feature is present in the app, but I wonder if it's buggy/not working yet?

 

[timmy01]

The tomtom app sounds pretty shitty from reading the reviews. Very disappointing...I was hoping for a giant leap over what current car GPS can do, not a step backward for $100 fuckin dollars

eh... once you read through the obvious trolling reviews, it pretty much sounds like on par with current navigators sans the voiced street names (boo) and custom POIs and voices. once you put in canada and US maps, IQ Routes, etc I would say it's pretty much onpar with their $140-180 units. Given that GPS and 3" plus LCD touch screen hardware are under $20 in parts these days, I am utterly baffled on how some of you expected this thing to be any cheaper. CLEARLY, whether warranted or not, the price for navigation is rooted almost entirely in the software.

On a side note, I figured out a way to change songs without exiting the TomTom app... voice control! You remain in the TomTom app, yet you have some control over your music playback. Double tapping home doesn't work, because it boots you from the app, but voice control kicks ass.

yes, they totally nailed voice control. That they made it a lowerl level UI feature is amazing. When I first got my 3GS and started using some of the GPS trail apps I was confused why these publishers were making a big deal out of the 3.0 feature to control music in the app... I mean if I wanted to change songs I'd just double tap the remote or use voice control to choose the album. Then I was like "OOOooohhhhh... it's for people that don't have a 3GS with voice control."

voice control rocks.

 

[SonnyBoy]

As soon as one of the apps provide traffic updates, I'll get it.

 

[LCfiner]

So I started a trip at 93% battery, plugged in my iPhone to the car adaptor (cigarette lighter), turned on music, and the TomTom app. Drove about 10 mins to work, and the battery ended at 94%. So from this brief test, it looks like the phone charges positively. Of course, a better test would be a longer drive, preferably with a lot of turns and a phone call or two to shake things up as well.

On a side note, I figured out a way to change songs without exiting the TomTom app... voice control! You remain in the TomTom app, yet you have some control over your music playback. Double tapping home doesn't work, because it boots you from the app, but voice control kicks ass.

Also, TomTom introduced me to a new route to work today using roads less-travelled. I've been taking the same route to work for years, and all this time I had no idea there was a better way to go. IQRoutes FTW.

Lastly, I tried to use an address in my contacts as a TomTom destination, but it failed for me as well. The feature is present in the app, but I wonder if it's buggy/not working yet?

wait, double tapping doesn't work when a song is already playing? it works with me in all apps, including navigon. are "pod controls" enabled in settings for you under Home button?

or did you mean you can start playback of a song if there is nothing already playing. in that case, very nice.

oh and i guess I must be a Navigon fanboy because it works flawlessly with address book contacts and cost 30 bucks less than the Tom Tom. rocks so much


suck it, Tom-Tards!

Spoiler

I'M KIDDING for anyone who thought I may have been serious

 

[Tobor]

Yeah, I'm waiting for the aftermath of the rapidly approaching Price/Feature War in these Turn-by-Turn GPS apps. The outcome will be delicious, and the bitter tears from early adopters of one app over another at launch prices, inevitable.

Absolutely. These GPS apps are a want, not a need, so I'm sitting it out and waiting for the bottom to drop out.

 

[timmy01]

As soon as one of the apps provide traffic updates, I'll get it.

do any gps units/systems out there do traffic over IP? I know navteq provides a service for it, but I am pretty sure most existing nav systems either use RDS or use IP feeds on the backend (google, at&t, etc). hopefully tomtom (or whomever) implements a traffic-enabled app soon. Out of the three (Garmin, TomTom and Navigon) the first to do so will probably get my money.

or did you mean you can start playback of a song if there is nothing already playing. in that case, very nice.

yes, with voice control you can do "Play songs by______" or "play album ______" or "play playlist __________" and it will begin playing music if nothing is playing, regardless of what app you are in.

 

[Keylime]

Ok so good news:

On the way home from work today I used a different charging adapter (i-Go adapter with iPhone tip) and a different charging port (I have 2 in my car).

Starting battery life: 56%
- Launch new MuteMath album.
- Laungh TomTom app.
- Drive for 25 minutes home.
Ending battery life: 70%

All is right in the world again.

 

[Eggo]

wait, double tapping doesn't work when a song is already playing? it works with me in all apps, including navigon. are "pod controls" enabled in settings for you under Home button?

or did you mean you can start playback of a song if there is nothing already playing. in that case, very nice.

oh and i guess I must be a Navigon fanboy because it works flawlessly with address book contacts and cost 30 bucks less than the Tom Tom. rocks so much


suck it, Tom-Tards!

Spoiler

I'M KIDDING for anyone who thought I may have been serious

Oops... I didn't realize you have to have a song playing to get the iPod controls. That does work within the TomTom app. Also, voice control can start a song if one is not already playing while you are in-app.

 

[LCfiner]

Oops... I didn't realize you have to have a song playing to get the iPod controls. That does work within the TomTom app. Also, voice control can start a song if one is not already playing while you are in-app.

ok, thanks for the clarification.

voice controls is something i need to mess around with more often in the car. it'd be much faster and safer to switch playlists that way.

 

[Keylime]

ok, thanks for the clarification.

voice controls is something i need to mess around with more often in the car. it'd be much faster and safer to switch playlists that way.

Voice control is definitely a nice option.

The Next, Back functions seem pointless because it takes 2 seconds to double tap home and tap next/back, but like 3 seconds of holding, 1 second of waiting, 1 second of saying, 2 seconds of waiting to get it shift songs.

Other than that, jumping to artist, album, playlist and making calls works awesomely. Now if they'd just add a "Play this song" feature I'd be super happy.

 

[Oni Jazar]

Ok so good news:

On the way home from work today I used a different charging adapter (i-Go adapter with iPhone tip) and a different charging port (I have 2 in my car).

Starting battery life: 56%
- Launch new MuteMath album.
- Laungh TomTom app.
- Drive for 25 minutes home.
Ending battery life: 70%

All is right in the world again.

I've got the new MuteMath album playing on my iphone. It became fully charged and it's not even plugged in!

Must be that electrify song.

 

[timmy01]

Other than that, jumping to artist, album, playlist and making calls works awesomely. Now if they'd just add a "Play this song" feature I'd be super happy.

I'm guessing a "play song" option would be QUITE processor intensive to get it working properly. Most album lists are MAYBE a couple to a few hundred. Phone books MIGHT approach 100 entries even for power users. playlists a couple of dozen for the biggest music fans.... but songs... man, your iphone would have a crazy time trying to match what you say with a song... especially when you start doing covers, remixes, live versions, etc. Obviously if you have a slimmed down collection on your phone it could be minimized.... but I have around 3-4K songs on my phone and the thought of what it might give me if I asked for "play inagaddadavida" is scary.

 

[GodfatherX]

bought a used 3G today for $75 thats in good condition

only issue is that the vibrate switch is broken

is this a common issue?

how might i go about fixing it?

anybody?

 

[Eggo]

eh... once you read through the obvious trolling reviews, it pretty much sounds like on par with current navigators sans the voiced street names (boo) and custom POIs and voices.

What do you mean lack of voices? The TomTom app has a bunch of selectable voices you can choose from. I didn't find the option right away, because you have to scroll down on a screen that doesn't look like it has more options, but it's there. There's probably 50+ voices you can choose from in multiple languages. I'm using a female British voice now who tells me to "take the motorway." Living in the US, that's not a term we use, but I like it.


OK, TomTom Battery Test Part 2:

I traveled from work to lunch, which was about 15 mins taking the freeway. On the way there, I had my phone on conservative battery settings: all mail accounts turned off (but calendars on for the exchange mail account), push off, brightness 10%, bluetooth off, Safari browser 1 window, and 3G on. Music playing, iPhone charging through the cigarette lighter... at the end of the trip, the phone went up 1% from 93% -> 94%.

On the way back, I cranked the battery draining: all 3 mail accounts on, push on, brightness 100%, bluetooth on, and I opened 4 windows in Safari, and 3G on. Music playing, phone charging... 15 minutes later at the end of the trip, my phone went down 4% from 74% -> 70%.

So if you're using non-conservative battery settings, you can lose charge while driving and listening to music using the TomTom app. If you're worried about that, you should turn off a lot of the battery draining functions so the phone can charge properly.

 

[GodfatherX]

anybody have a clear case for my 3G?

thinking about the Griffin Reveal, just curious if there is anything that is considered better

 

[srst]

Does TomTom work without data plan?

 

[Operations]

Is there an App (from the Appstore or Cydia) that allows you to transfer your contacts to the SIM card? I know SIMPort used to do this, but that one only works with the old Installer app.

 

[scorcho]

Does TomTom work without data plan?

It should, since you're downloading the maps with the app.

 

[Blackhead]

It should, since you're downloading the maps with the app.

How large is that?

 

[LCfiner]

How large is that?

~1.2 GB for North America

 

[timmy01]

What do you mean lack of voices? The TomTom app has a bunch of selectable voices you can choose from. I didn't find the option right away, because you have to scroll down on a screen that doesn't look like it has more options, but it's there. There's probably 50+ voices you can choose from in multiple languages. I'm using a female British voice now who tells me to "take the motorway." Living in the US, that's not a term we use, but I like it.

apparently with the higher end tomtoms you can pay for (sigh) additional voices online and load them into your unit. you can also pay for custom or more comprehensive POI data.. this doesn't support either of those currently.

not a complaint, just pointing out what the difference seems to be between this and the standalones. But trying to compare feature to feature side by side, it seems the app is on par or better than most units in the $150 range or so. Like I was saying, considering how cheap most of the parts in the standalones are today, it really makes sense that the majority of what you are paying for in navigation systems is the map and poi data as well as features.

however they NEED to link to navteq traffic data on these. not having traffic on a navigator is pretty limiting these days.

 

[Jinfash]

I appreciate all the help I've got from you guys in the past, but I'm just warming up lol.

I may have bored some of you with this story, but I've just bought a 16 giger white 3GS that is supposed to be factory unlocked from New Zealand ($760 USD), but I still intend to jailbreak it. The phone will arrive next Monday, and I have several questions that I hope would get answered:

• Obviously, I'm new to all this so are there good and reliable starter guides for jailbreaking that I can follow? Or any sort of helpful site/blog some of you regularly check for any sort of announcements or updates (a place where I can learn most of the iPhone-related terminology would also be nice).
  
  
• Is there a sure way to determine that the phone is "factory unlocked" (via the SN for example)? For some reason I still have some doubts :\
  
  
• Are there any known issues, bugs, instabilities that I need to be aware of before jailbreaking?
  
  
• For the umpteenth time: Is everyone REALLY REALLY sure that Push will work on my phone after jailbreaking. In other words: are all the reports being filed regarding the inability to use push is caused by their phones being unofficially unlocked?

For those who're going to provide me with feedback, thank you for your patience.

 

[anotherworld]

So far IMO the best Nav is Navigon..

 

[Jinfash]

... I realize the above post may have made me seem lazy or haven't done enough googling, but I have, and it's kinda hard to know where to start from. If one can at least link me to a source that states that there no problems in using push on factory unlocked jailbroken phones, because I couldn't find any. All reports are saying the problem is general.

sigh, help? please?

 

[Melhisedek]

Was around in town today. Iphone 3gs is sold out everywhere Wait time = 3-6 weeks. Anywhere in EU I can buy one unlocked and get it delivered to Sweden?

 

[Blackhead]

So far IMO the best Nav is Navigon..

You've tried them all ? I don't think a review of the Tom-Tom app is complete without considering the car kit but that's not out yet, is it?

I appreciate all the help I've got from you guys in the past, but I'm just warming up lol.

I may have bored some of you with this story, but I've just bought a 16 giger white 3GS that is supposed to be factory unlocked from New Zealand ($760 USD), but I still intend to jailbreak it. The phone will arrive next Monday, and I have several questions that I hope would get answered:

• Obviously, I'm new to all this so are there good and reliable starter guides for jailbreaking that I can follow? Or any sort of helpful site/blog some of you regularly check for any sort of announcements or updates (a place where I can learn most of the iPhone-related terminology would also be nice).
  
  
• Is there a sure way to determine that the phone is "factory unlocked" (via the SN for example)? For some reason I still have some doubts :\
  
  
• Are there any known issues, bugs, instabilities that I need to be aware of before jailbreaking?
  
  
• For the umpteenth time: Is everyone REALLY REALLY sure that Push will work on my phone after jailbreaking. In other words: are all the reports being filed regarding the inability to use push is caused by their phones being unofficially unlocked?

For those who're going to provide me with feedback, thank you for your patience.

• iClarified's guides for jailbreaking. It's also a decent site to check often for news and announcements.
  
  
• Checking factory unlocked by serial number? Not that I know of... Er, check by popping in a sim from an unofficial carrier.
  Also, factory unlocked iPhones usually have a different baseband from the locked ones. When Apple releases an OS update, it usually also includes a baseband update. Factory unlocked (and iPhone 2Gs) can run Apple's official update package and their basebands won't be updated (I'm don't think anybody has isolated the identifier...). Unofficially unlocked phones have to wait for the dev-team's pwn tool. It usually ends up with factory unlocked iPhones using one older baseband, unofficially unlocked iPhones having another (the version that the dev-team targeted) and regular phones having the newest version. I write usually but I think all iPhones had their basebands updated for 3.0 *shrug*
  
  
• No, a plain vanilla jailbreak works like it normally would. Once you start messing with Icy, downloading apps etc, then all bets are off. It's typically stable though.
  
  
• The push problems aren't from jailbreaking or even unlocking -- the source is from activation issues. Will you be using an AT&T sim (with an iPhone plan to boot?) Then you should have no problems with your factory unlocked phone. If you choose to go with different providers and/or plans the push could have problems. Read up here
  
  And pm mrkgoo. He has a factory unlocked phone from New Zealand...

 

[Blackhead]

Saurik Announces PrivaCy to Block iPhone Apps From Spying On You

The application was created to address concerns about App Store applications which track usage information and even location information for developers to analyze. You can read Saurik's explaination below...

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It has recently come to the attention of angry Cydia users that they are being watched by many of the applications they have installed from the App Store.

Sites like I-phone-home have been discussing this in detail, leading to a post on the Dev-Team Blog about one provider in particular: Pinch Media.

Pinch Media, however, is not the only tracking provider: on the iPhone alone there are three other companies: Flurry, Medialets, and Mobclix.

Developers integrate these systems for much the same reason people use Google Analytics: to better understand how their customers use their products.

Unfortunately, due to the restrictions Apple places on their App Store, these providers are unable to directly interface with the users they affect.

Instead, they rely on developers of every single application to document what information is being logged, and allow users to "opt-out" if they desire.

Thanks to applicatons like redsn0w and Cydia, however, these restrictions are no longer important: a system-wide global "opt-out" setting is now possible.

Pinch Media realized this fact, and took the lead in contacting me regarding getting this feature out there to all the users of jailbroken devices: they care.

With BigBoss, we then contacted all of the other providers, getting not only their blessing, but also their technical expertise in disabling their systems.

The result is PrivaCy: a new Settings panel that allows you to selectively opt-out of sending anonymous usage statistics to each of these providers.

This extension was a team effort, and was able to be executed as quickly as it was thanks to the help and interest of the companies involved.
-----

PrivaCy is available to install from the Cydia repository under the Administration section. It is a free download.

heh

ps Pinch Media, user privacy, and ’spyware’

Pinch Media’s analytics product has recently been described as ’spyware’ by an anonymous critic, who has attracted some public attention. We want to address this directly. Spyware and analytics are quite distinct...

 

[timmy01]

for those who have been as utterly annoyed with this as I've been, the newest release of Windows Live Movie Maker (released on Wednesday) now supports native editing of Quicktime formats under Windows 7 (as well as MPEG-4 and AVCHD). FINALLY us Windows users get an equivalent to iMovie.

Dragged and dropped my trimmed iPhone video to the new version and it came up in the timeline and scrubber just fine. Under the previous version which I had installed a few weeks back my iphone video came up as "unsupported video type".

Of course this doesn't mean crap for XP and Vista users, but IMHO after this october such a user will hopefully be quite rare.

 

[dallow_bg]

Thanks Charred.

 

[Jinfash]

• iClarified's guides for jailbreaking. It's also a decent site to check often for news and announcements.
  
  
• Checking factory unlocked by serial number? Not that I know of... Er, check by popping in a sim from an unofficial carrier.
  Also, factory unlocked iPhones usually have a different baseband from the locked ones. When Apple releases an OS update, it usually also includes a baseband update. Factory unlocked (and iPhone 2Gs) can run Apple's official update package and their basebands won't be updated (I'm don't think anybody has isolated the identifier...). Unofficially unlocked phones have to wait for the dev-team's pwn tool. It usually ends up with factory unlocked iPhones using one older baseband, unofficially unlocked iPhones having another (the version that the dev-team targeted) and regular phones having the newest version. I write usually but I think all iPhones had their basebands updated for 3.0 *shrug*
  
  
• No, a plain vanilla jailbreak works like it normally would. Once you start messing with Icy, downloading apps etc, then all bets are off. It's typically stable though.
  
  
• The push problems aren't from jailbreaking or even unlocking -- the source is from activation issues. Will you be using an AT&T sim (with an iPhone plan to boot?) Then you should have no problems with your factory unlocked phone. If you choose to go with different providers and/or plans the push could have problems. Read up here
  
  And pm mrkgoo. He has a factory unlocked phone from New Zealand...

• Thank you! I've been reading some of the tutorials for some time.
  
  
• As I wasn't the person who personally bought the phone, I'm having slight doubts about what sort of vendor my friend dealt with. I heard reports of stores selling some store-unlocked phones as factory unlocked.
  
  
• Good to know.
  
  
• I thought the whole idea of factory unlocked phones is that they're not tied to a certain provider. Obviously, I'm gonna use my phone with a different one company than the ones in New Zealand. Would that put me in the same boat of all the others? If so, I've no idea why I bothered with getting a factory unlocked. :\

Anyhow, thanks for the feedback. I'll PM mrkgoo about that last point.