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mashoutposse said:
Doesn't the 8525 feature similar, if not more, features and pack a much lower pricetag?
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Doesn't the 8525 feature similar, if not more, features and pack a much lower pricetag?
Kung Fu Jedi
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mashoutposse said:
I'm guessing the lack of 3G was the nail in the coffin as we've talked about in this thread. If you want that kind of speed on your mobile phone, and the iPhone doesn't have it, it's pretty easy to nix it right away.
BTW, Apple corrected their chart to reflect the wifi on the N95
mashoutposse
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Consider what White Man said earlier:
Features are not the end-all/be-all of the discussion, at least in his opinion. The videos and ads we've seen thus far suggest that design and execution can win again over features and bulletpoints.
After months of waiting, enduring the final two weeks should've been a given. Heck, not even one weekend out from his decision and we're already hearing about improvements that could realistically factor into a decision.
Features are not the end-all/be-all of the discussion, at least in his opinion. The videos and ads we've seen thus far suggest that design and execution can win again over features and bulletpoints.
After months of waiting, enduring the final two weeks should've been a given. Heck, not even one weekend out from his decision and we're already hearing about improvements that could realistically factor into a decision.
Kung Fu Jedi
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mrklaw said:
I didn't take it as so. It simply means the info isn't available. But if you want to read into it further, than by all means.
mashoutposse said:
3G put me over the edge. I had never used it before, and I assumed it wasn't *that* big of a difference. Then I actually got to use 3G and, well, I took it seriously as a pivotal feature for a phone.
The 8525 was also significantly cheaper and allows for software to be developed for it, both of which are really nice. Office Mobile is also a lot better than I thought it would be. It is actually usable.
Fairly Incredible
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Just to inject a little down-to-earth perspective from the press:
iPhone Will Broker World Peace;
Luscious uber-gizmo also rumored to cure brain cancer, provide oral sex. All true!
Actually makes some good points, though:
iPhone Will Broker World Peace;
Luscious uber-gizmo also rumored to cure brain cancer, provide oral sex. All true!
Actually makes some good points, though:
Kung Fu Jedi
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Deepblue said:
Apple has an established track record which certainly helps it's cause, I'll say that much. However, if Nokia released the iPhone, it would probably still be a success, it just wouldn't be getting the hype from the mainstream press. It'll likely sell more because it's from Apple and everyone knows the iPod, but it would be a success from someone else too. Take the Razr as an example. It debuted at $600 as well. How many of those things do you see now?
No phone has ever gotten the hype that this thing has, and not just on the Internet by us tech geeks who lover our gadgets. It's getting it from tons of mainstream outlets that normally wouldn't care about this sort of thing.
maximum360
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Maybe the next incarnation of the iPhone will have a keyboard and 3G (but see AT&T on service and coverage and Apple on hardware and software implementation). GPS is also sorely lacking (but they will likely just do a-gps as the other carriers to syphon more money from your wallet). Also, hopefully Apple relents and allows for switching out the battery in a future model. Also, after contract the price needs to be $200 less.
All those things have the potential to make the iPhone a competent device (when compared with the new WM offerings).
All those things have the potential to make the iPhone a competent device (when compared with the new WM offerings).
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maximum360 said:
I'm gonna go ahead and say I think the iPhone will never have a physical keyboard. It goes against the whole purpose of the device. Though I'm eager to see impressions of actually using the touchscreen to type.
I'm sure there will be "ways" to switch out the battery if you want. Just like there are for the iPod. Personally, it's not an issue for me and neither is GPS (though that'd be nice).
My prediction is that most everyone will complain about the keyboard for several months until they eventually learn to trust it. They'll complain about not being able to easily hit the "E" key or the "S" key instead of just fat fingering what they're typing and letting the word prediction and correction engine do its job. I could be wrong but that's my guess.SuperPac said:
imastalker co.
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gotta love the new dramatically improved battery life.
Kung Fu Jedi
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imastalker co. said:
And I'm guessing in your case, the fact that the stock was up $3 this morning on news of the improved battery life.
Wellington
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Bump for visibility.
Kung Fu Jedi
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Wellington said:
:lol
Thank you!
siamesedreamer
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I think the TV ads are very deceiving in regard to the internet speed on the phone.
Its running on the same shitty slow ass AT&T network as the wireless cards. The AT&T network is worse than both Sprint and Verizon. You *might* be able to get 200K somewhere like in the middle of downtown ATL. Otherwise, you dL speeds will be anywhere between 50-100K.
The ads that show the guy surfing the web and getting instantaneous seafood restaurant results or immediately downloading the pic from the email are comeplete and utter bullshit. I have a feeling there are going to be a ton of pissed off people when they see how slow that thing really is.
Its running on the same shitty slow ass AT&T network as the wireless cards. The AT&T network is worse than both Sprint and Verizon. You *might* be able to get 200K somewhere like in the middle of downtown ATL. Otherwise, you dL speeds will be anywhere between 50-100K.
The ads that show the guy surfing the web and getting instantaneous seafood restaurant results or immediately downloading the pic from the email are comeplete and utter bullshit. I have a feeling there are going to be a ton of pissed off people when they see how slow that thing really is.
Kung Fu Jedi
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siamesedreamer said:
WiFi works fine and at pretty solid speeds. The commercials are likely using cached pages on a WiFi connection.
siamesedreamer
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Oh....didn't know it used WiFi.
That's actually very badass then.
That's actually very badass then.
imastalker co.
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not really. i don't think about the stock. it's takes care of itself at this point.Kung Fu Jedi said:
im just happy knowing that even if a tried to drain the battery, i'll only have to charge this thing in my sleep.
perryfarrell
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Can somebody explain to me what this 3G gibberish is all about?
mashoutposse
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perryfarrell said:
Wireless broadband. iPhone has the equivalent of dial-up in comparison.
imastalker co.
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an hour?
:lol
why do you even bother posting?
:lol
why do you even bother posting?
imastalker co.
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alright pal, whatever you say.
Kung Fu Jedi
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GeMiNii said:
I have to disagree here. Wireless and BlueTooth both have both become much more efficient over the past few years. Yes, the set-up you describe will eat into the battery life quite quickly, but under an hour? Are you serious?
imastalker co. said:
You know the real-world usage of this thing involves a mixing of features, right? So a couple hours here of music, a couple hours there of video, killing time surfing the web with WiFi...
All of a sudden you've got a whole hour of talk time left.
mashoutposse said:
It's not going to magically get 3G support and Outlook/Exchange compatibility within the next two weeks, which are two features that are pretty much dealbreakers for White Man.
Funny, I usually get more than 14 hours on my 30GB iPod, which is actually ABOVE the estimate they give for that. Maybe estimates for computer battery life aren't that easy to make... but this isn't a computer we're talking about, is it?xsarien said:They don't have Apple's penchant for padding battery life estimates.
No but a lot of things affect the battery life of MP3 players. Time spent seeking/selecting files, backlight usage and settings, file format, DRM, bitrate, etc. When you're at your computer you don't think about these things because you're not aware of your power usage. In a portable scenario, those little things add up.Terrell said:
If you live in United States than you have nothing to worry about 3g. I don't understand why people are bitching about 3g in this thread because here in the US, we will never see it because of FCC regulations. Edge is the next best thing. Now if you live in Europe/Asia than oh well.perryfarrell said:
Poody said:
Um, there is 3G in the US. Offered by AT&T/Cingular, no less.
http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/popUp_3g.html
Well that was the point, I'm getting a HIGHER battery life than what Apple has quoted, so the comment about "padded battery estimates" hasn't been my personal experience. I don't own a MacBook or anything, so I can't personally comment on that, but my personal iPod experience tells me that the estimate isn't THAT far off if I'm getting more battery life than they anticipate.aoi tsuki said:
Terrell said:
Apple's iPod battery estimates are based on 128kbps/m4a files with (presumably) an averaged track length. Those are pretty specific circumstances that don't take into account volume, how often I might trigger the backlight, or what bitrate I encode at and EQ settings. They state as much on their own damned website.
(P.S. I like how, so far, it seems that you assume that if anyone has anything bad to say about the iPhone, they're a "hater." It's charming. Really!)
Poody said:
They've had it for longer than Cingular/AT&T. Same with Sprint.
Poody said:
Check the frequencies, Kenneth. U.S. UMTS/HSDPA operates on different frequencies than Europe.
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