Stan The Caddy
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mobilechat b1.2 is out!
http://blog.twenty08.com/2007/09/13/mobilechat-b12-coming-to-an-iphone-near-you/
http://blog.twenty08.com/2007/09/13/mobilechat-b12-coming-to-an-iphone-near-you/
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WordAssassin
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I hate earbuds of any kind, I just want to use my old earphones again. But all the adapters out there are either too expensive or fucking atrocious.
SuperPac
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capslock said:
Nokia's certainly got something there with that kind of message, but I really wonder if it will be Nokia that delivers it. Could just as easily be Apple. I know that going from regular flip cell phone to iPhone has made it impossible for me to go back to "just a cell phone."
StrikerObi
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For everyone looking for earphones, Shure has a new pair coming out on Monday the 17th, the SE110s. They are the new low end of their SE line (now that the regular E line is going all-professional grade). They're $100 and apparently the plug fits the iPhone port. They also have a break-away cable so you can replace the standard cable with their Music Phone Adapter. Apple sells Shure products so I think I'll use my $100 gift card to buy them... whenever that gift card thing happens. Aren't they supposed to announce details this week? It's already Thursday...
One of my $40 sony in-ear buds lost it's cap and now I can't use them. I've been using the pack-in buds which are crap but I've fallen in love with that button/mic. I think I might buy Shure's adapter when I get the new buds.
One of my $40 sony in-ear buds lost it's cap and now I can't use them. I've been using the pack-in buds which are crap but I've fallen in love with that button/mic. I think I might buy Shure's adapter when I get the new buds.
Patrick Klepek
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New MobileChat + SummerBoard are out! Amazing 
Also, just got iFlickr working -- lets you take pics that upload directly to your Flickr account after being taken AND store in your iPhone album. It's not perfect, but it works -- that's enough.
Also, just got iFlickr working -- lets you take pics that upload directly to your Flickr account after being taken AND store in your iPhone album. It's not perfect, but it works -- that's enough.
The new Summerboard + dockswap is hot!eXxy said:New MobileChat + SummerBoard are out! Amazing
Also, just got iFlickr working -- lets you take pics that upload directly to your Flickr account after being taken AND store in your iPhone album. It's not perfect, but it works -- that's enough.
Installer is the best thing ever.
yayaba said:
Actually, as far as things running, I have the same problem. All apps I compile just crash on the phone. I have a feeling it's because there's been a firmware update since I made my last heavenly image. I think TUAW has a brief explanation of how to make a Heavenly image with SCP (I just use iPhoneDisk though, way nicer)
Right now I'm just teaching myself Objective-C, never really more than dabbled with it before. The iPhone purchase made the decision of whether I'd play with GWT, Rails, or iPhone apps pretty easy
Jugendstil
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Does MobileChat only work when you're using wifi? I can't get it to log into my AIM account via Edge and I'm not near an open wifi at the moment.
Chittagong
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posting from a iphone. Over Edge. WITH A FINNISH ELISA SIM WOOHOO
Phoenix
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SuperPac said:
That's the way I've felt about things for a long time, its the reason why I've never been able to go back after I used my first smart phone, why I learned to write code for them, why I believe that these new breed of TRUE convergence device will enable people in ways that we don't even know today. It was always hard convincing people of this, they believed that a camera on a phone was unnecessary, that music on a phone was stupid, that video on a phone was a luxury that nobody would want - and then along came the iPhone and part of the vision was realized. But there was something missing, you had to seek permission to take the device to the next level, you were enslaved by proprietary extensions, the vision came with a punishing price in terms of true freedom to exploit the device. You were limited to what the original device makers saw as the future.
So now we wait for the real 4th screen... a device that will enable us to go where we really wanted to go with the iPhone with a vendor that isn't seeking to lock us in and a developer community that is free to innovate and take us beyond the original vision and take us to the future that is currently delayed due to profiteering.
Stan The Caddy
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Jugendstil said:
Nope, works on Edge. but there still seems to be a bug on connection.. just hit cancel and try connecting again
Juice said:Actually, as far as things running, I have the same problem. All apps I compile just crash on the phone. I have a feeling it's because there's been a firmware update since I made my last heavenly image. I think TUAW has a brief explanation of how to make a Heavenly image with SCP (I just use iPhoneDisk though, way nicer)
Right now I'm just teaching myself Objective-C, never really more than dabbled with it before. The iPhone purchase made the decision of whether I'd play with GWT, Rails, or iPhone apps pretty easy
Hm, good theory but I just tried with the 1.0.2 firmware and my app still crashes (I was using 1.0.1 before). Time to do more investigation.
Corwood Rep
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Two super-important questions:
I have a pair of Shure e2cs. What do I need to buy to make those work?
Can I stream my computer's iTunes Library over wifi? If not, is there a workaround for wireless music streaming?
I have a pair of Shure e2cs. What do I need to buy to make those work?
Can I stream my computer's iTunes Library over wifi? If not, is there a workaround for wireless music streaming?
Jugendstil
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Aristotlekh said:
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=DB861236&nplm=TN544LL/A
I just picked this up today and it works perfectly with my Sony in-ear buds and it allows you to pause and skip songs just like the pack in headphones. The mic works fine on calls as well. So far, so good.
Nameless
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Questions about Wi-Fi..
A few sites show AT&T/Cingular wi-fi hotspots close to both my job and my apartment, do I need any sort of access codes such as the WEP Id or what have you to access them, ro should my iphone do it automatically.
Second, are there any other WiFI settings I should change. I ran into a connection labled "Free Public WiFi" but it I couldn't connect to it.
A few sites show AT&T/Cingular wi-fi hotspots close to both my job and my apartment, do I need any sort of access codes such as the WEP Id or what have you to access them, ro should my iphone do it automatically.
Second, are there any other WiFI settings I should change. I ran into a connection labled "Free Public WiFi" but it I couldn't connect to it.
Schmo Florez
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aparisi2274 said:
So if one iphone sent a pic to another iphone would you have to go to that site?
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Jugendstil said:
$40 just to be able to use a different pair of earbuds? Holy living fuck.
P.S. I'd still like to know about this wireless streaming stuff. I'd be a lot less tempted by the 160GB classic if I knew the iPhone could effectively stream my library.
aparisi2274
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Schmo Florez said:
yes, because the iphone does not do visual txt messages
Corwood Rep
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ant1532 said:
See, this is more digestible.
Is there anything obviously wrong with it, e.g. somehow degrades sound quality/questionable build quality or something?
Schmo Florez
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aparisi2274 said:
Wow thats pretty weak. My gf and I want to get a couple and we send a lot of pics to each other...I still want one though.
SuperPac
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Phoenix said:
The problem is, of course, is the number of parties any company would have to deal with in order to bring such a device to market and then gain broad acceptance with it. There are a *lot* of cogs in that chain. And too many with their hand out. Not the least of which are the mobile carriers themselves, who all offer their own (mostly overpriced) special services for games, ringtones, ringback tones, music, and lackluster "mobile content" (aka RSS feeds you pay a monthly fee for). And those all work differently depending on what hot new model phone you have, and the services/experience differs depending on the carrier.
I'm actually surprised Apple got anyone to agree to their terms. The iPhone has no AT&T sticker on the hardware itself like every other phone, there are no special AT&T logo wallpapers pre-loaded, no special AT&T default start page in Safari that loads everytime you punch up the web, no AT&T ringtones/games/mobile content store, and you're allowed/encouraged to sync the content on your computer with the content on your phone without rebuying a special phone version (outside of ringtones, naturally). It's one of the few consumer devices that is built around content delivery -- YOUR content -- instead of around branding and making customers pay a premium to get media onto it. I don't have to sign up for a special @wireless.att.com email address because I can use my regular home email account. I don't have to rebuy music to play on the phone because I can sync it with my pre-existing library. I don't have to pay for a special version of RSS feeds because I can just use the web browser. I don't have to pay any extra fee to email a photo I just took with the camera to someone, and when I do there's no AT&T branding on that email and no special AT&T "picture mail" website that has to be accessed to view it.
Yes there are chains on the iPhone. You're restricted to using iTunes and the software Apple wants you to out of the box. But I don't see this as a bad thing -- for reliability, for ease of use, for convergence, for a unified interface, and to be able to bring it to a mass audience. You have Sony and Microsoft that do digital storefronts that don't work across product lines (Sony with Connect, which isn't on PS3/PSP; and Microsoft with URGE on Zune and the separate Xbox Live Video Marketplace on 360). Just as you have video game platforms that are closed, proprietary platforms, so too is the iPhone. For many, this is gonna be a benefit.
I forget which carrier it is but one has a commercial that shows a guy who'd switched to their service so he could download AC/DC. The message here and in so many cell phone commercials recently isn't how the phone integrates with your life-in-progress but how a phone company can resell you something you probably already have on CD so you can just play it on your phone. That's the mentality that the iPhone disrupts (again, not counting ringtones), and I'm glad that's finally come to pass.
SuperPac
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Schmo Florez said:
No! If one iPhone sends a pic to another iPhone (which would be email to email, since that's the way you send pics) you do not have to go to any site to view it. You just email the picture as an attachment. The recipient gets it in their email and can view it on the phone.
With MMS (Multimedia Messaging), it's different. That would not be with two iPhone users. That would be between someone who has a cell phone that sends MMS messages and an iPhone user. So if your friend sends you a photo via MMS (not email), then yes you have to go to a website to view it because the iPhone does not send or receive MMS.
Corwood Rep
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ant1532 said:I'll tell you when it comes in for sure. Should be tomorrow, Saturday, or Monday the latest. Alsways good to help a fellow Zissou member
My icon's better than yours. But yeah, let me know. My inbox is cleared so you can just PM me if you want.
StrikerObi
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Aristotlekh said:
It's huge and ugly.
Also, the $40 Shure adapter has an inline microphone and control button, it's not just an adapter cable. It's still kind of expensive though, $30 is more digestible for something like that.
Jugendstil
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Yeah, the Shure adapter has a mic and pause/forward button. The price sucks, but it's an accessory for an Apple product so affordability and common sense are never a factor in the pricing. It's worth it to me because 1. It isn't a giant gross cord sticking out the top of the phone and 2. it works as a mic and allows me to use something other than Apple's headphones, which I hate with the fire of a thousand suns. Your results may vary.
Damn that is big, but I'll only be using it in the car since I have a line in cable that outputs through the stereo. Can't wait!StrikerObi said:It's huge and ugly.
Also, the $40 Shure adapter has an inline microphone and control button, it's not just an adapter cable. It's still kind of expensive though, $30 is more digestible for something like that.
Schmo Florez
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yayaba said:
Oh man great point! +2 iphone sales.
WordAssassin
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The Belkin adapter is longer than the iPhone is wide. Such a POS.
Ps - posting from my iPhone!
Ps - posting from my iPhone!
Schmo Florez said:
And if you use Yahoo! mail, supposedly the Push IMAP will "instantly" update your phone. In practice, however, I have the same mail forwarding to a Gmail and a Yahoo! account on my phone and it's a crap shoot to determine which one gets there first.
Also, there's a native app for sending larger pictures that aren't scaled. You know, if you're into that sort of thing.
Phoenix
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SuperPac said:
Nope, if you buy direct from the vendor (like Nokia) you will not have a badged phone. This is similar to my Treos which came direct from Palm. The difference between the Palm, direct purchased Nokias and SEs, the iPhone and the stuff that you get from the store is that - you purchased it from their store so you're in their supply chain. There are a number of phones out there with far fewer restrictions on them than the iPhone. I've got an E61, a RAZR, a Helio, a couple of Blackberries, and a couple of things that I won't discuss that are completely vendor clean - because I didn't buy them from a vendor.
I use my regular email address on all of my phones - normally just access everything through the mobile gmail application. I transfer raw .mp3s to my phone and play them or use them as ring tones - there is a whole healthy 3rd party ecosystem around it. I have no idea what you're talking about with RSS, because I just use the developed RSS applications out there - actual Reuters has a nice one just for their feeds done in Flash Lite. I have one that reads arbitrary RSS feeds that I wrote myself in J2ME. I've mailed photos from all of my phones with cameras because I have written and used a large number of applications that developers have built for sending pictures. Nokia has code for doing such right on their developer website as well as capturing video and sending that in videoconference manner.
There are no reliability benefits to having a closed platform - none whatsoever. The iPhone does crash from time to time as do applications that run on it. Ease of use is related to a better integrated software design experience which has happened on couple of SE walkman phones. For convergence, there are actually devices (non touchscreen except for some of Palm's/Windows Mobile wacky new things) that are better convergence devices. The unified interface is the area where Apple has been successful and everyone else has failed horribly. But what's the first thing that people modified when they could hack the phone - the unified interface. They felt they could do better and many developers have done some amazing things. Video game platforms are NOT closed - you can develop for them. The Xbox360 and the PS3 have open development platforms, hell Microsoft publishes indie content on Xbox Live. And look at this thread - people clamoring about 3rd party applications that have greatly enhanced their experience. Have people's iPhones taken down the phone network or started exploding or sending out malicious data? No. What you believe is a benefit of the closed platform is a carefully crafted lie designed specifically to keep you pacified. No single vendor has the solution, and any vendor that believes they do is always shown by 3rd parties that they don't.
I was just about to correct you on the ringtone component. The only way you can get away with that is by having business model control over the device. Everything Apple has done has been to preserve their iTMS business model. Why is the iPod STILL locked down to Apple exclusivity? Why is the iPhone the ONLY mobile device that doesn't have an open SDK? Why can't you even use the bluetooth on it to connect to bluetooth devices other than headphones? Apple has significantly curtailed the vision - hell if you could just use a bluetooth GPS with the embedded Google Maps you would be much further along than you are now.
Open platforms are the only way we can have the best nextgeneration device. Apple has given us the hardware and a starting point, but then they fucked us and closed the platform the same as they did for the AppleTV and the iPod. AppleTV didn't even become worth purchasing until 3rd parties hacked the API and built plugins for the device so that it could go beyond its meager beginnings.
SuperPac
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Well, you're a power-user. I'd say the vast majority of phones I see out and about are badged, and are pushing the vendor-provided services for everything up to and including email and paid delivery of content that is little more than what could be done with an RSS reader. For Joe Average consumer that has little technical know-how and previously bought phones at Best Buy or a Cingular store, the iPhone is a different beast than has been offered before. Even from the moment you buy it and are able to go home to activate it -- it's a difference from the average cell phone buying experience (that I'm used to, anyway).
Phoenix said:
I understand where you're coming from, but Apple's refusal to start a Firmware War a la Sony and the PSP is really all most power users want. Which gets to my point: an open platform has only ever mattered to the power users. Everyone else just wants it to do what they expect it to.
Because Windows 95 was a raging success that saw most of the "computer app" paradigms consumers now (or still, depending on how you look at it) recognize as their functionality expectations. It was because the applications available found use in normal users' eyes that Windows heralded the era of the ubiquitous PC. If Microsoft would have provided every application people needed and locked out everyone else (and they practically did in some cases), people wouldn't be screaming for an open platform; and 95% of earth isn't.
It's the same with the iPhone. It's so far and beyond what people already expect, it provides the functionality any average Joe but a (like me) Lotus Notes/Exchange-bound business user would want. So long as Apple brings new applications to the table to meet the average user's maturing tastes--as they've clearly already been successful with in the DAP industry--they should have no problem commanding the same revolution you speak of without explicitly sanctioning third party apps.
And for us power users, hacking the phone couldn't be easier. One double-click and we've got probably the best package installer I've seen this side of apt-get, along with a slew of unbelievably rapidly developing applications. I couldn't be happier.
If I were to get my mom an iPhone, I would want to keep it locked down, because OTOB it does more than what she needs; she would actually benefit from a locked platform, because anything more would confuse her and turn her off to the entire idea of a convergence device.
Chittagong
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My wife yesterday asked if her Mom could send some phone pictures to my iPhone. It was weird telling her "Sorry, it can't do that."
I won't be suprised if MMS is never added. I think they want people to use MobileMail (which does work well).
Also, it's typical Apple- "next week" for details of the early adopter rebate/credit. I bet there will be a press release at 5PM PST.:lol
I won't be suprised if MMS is never added. I think they want people to use MobileMail (which does work well).
Also, it's typical Apple- "next week" for details of the early adopter rebate/credit. I bet there will be a press release at 5PM PST.:lol
Juice said:
I have to disagree with you there. Some things like MMS, or sending SMS messages to multiple recipients are pretty common and it is very odd that they are not there.
Tobor said:
The reason is not everyone has an iPhone. My mom in law could not easily send me a phone picture she took because the iPhone does not support it.
SuperPac
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BTW, Apple has now posted the details for the $100 store credit. I just got mine! Now wtf am I gonna buy with it? HMMMMMmmmm... Decisions, decisions.
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