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Duane Cunningham
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The only reason Apple would try to break the unlocking would be at AT&T's request. It's really in Apple's interests to turn a blind eye to it. Letting the unlock hack be certainly increases their bottom line. And I'm sure T-Mobile, Rogers, Fido etc think it's fantastic... behind some closed doors it's possible they'd persuade Apple to take it easy on the unlock. You know T-Mobile has added some "Blackberry plans" to existing customers over the last week since the hack went public.
PotatoeMasher
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Duane Cunningham said:
Not if the rumors that Apple is getting a significant percentage of the monthly fees are true. I read 40% somewhere--which is crazy and most likely fake.
SuperPac
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Duane Cunningham said:
No. Reportedly Apple also gets a part of your monthly bill as long as you're on AT&T. So it's in their interest to get you to buy the phone and then to keep you on AT&T. Let's see what happens with the next firmware update, I guess.
Kung Fu Jedi
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Duane Cunningham said:
No way is it in Apple's best interest. Yes, the still get the cash for the sale of the phone, but as others have noted, they also get some of the revenue from AT&T. And they're not going to let other carriers persuade them to do anything "behind closed doors" as in the real business world they have established a relationship with AT&T.
Also, the average Joe consumer couldn't care less about modding the iPhone to switch to another carrier. This is a small sub-set of gadget/technology geeks. It's not going to impact Apple's bottom line by that much.
SuperPac
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Kung Fu Jedi said:
It could potentially if businesses spring up (and some already have, if I'm not mistaken) with the sole purpose of selling unlocked phones to the masses. That's why I think it's especially in Apple's interest to keep things locked down, and I would not be surprised to see the next firmware update put the kibosh on unlocks, hacks and mods.
Kung Fu Jedi
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SuperPac said:
Those kinds of businesses exist for other phones already. And the masses aren't exactly beating their door down to get them. Most don't even know that it's a possibility to be honest. Unlocked phones are still something that a very select few people care about.
Duane Cunningham
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Ah. I wasn't aware that Apple got a cut of AT&T's phone bills. What a sweet deal for Apple.
Chittagong
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I wonder if Apple used the iPhone SimFree hack:
SuperPac
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Patrick Klepek
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QFT.
Bungaloo0O
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border said:
Only true if you never plan on updating your iPhone. This isn't a Razr we're talking about, accidentally update and you're out of a phone for as long as it takes for someone to update the unlock string.
Kung Fu Jedi
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Bungaloo0O said:
Exactly what I was thinking. Apple has plans for the iPhone, and frequent updates are amongst them. Every time there is a new update with something you'd like to use, you also risk losing your phone for days or weeks at a time.
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SuperPac said:
he's made both comments. so its weird.
Let's be realistic: most people who have hacked their iPhones -and pretty much every hackable gizmo- most likely are aware of the "precautions" needed to make sure your phone stays hacked. The people who Jailbreak, unlock, and mod their iPhones are the people who are "in the know" regarding the hacking scene and they are the first to know when an update hits and whether or not it breaks the hacks.
The problem is everyone who buys unlocked iPhones and have zero knowledge about how the unlocking was possible or what precautions are needed. Unlocking isn't just flipping a magic switch and...TADAH!
I'm planning to buy an iPhone in October. Believe me when I say that the first thing I'm going to do as soon as I take it out of the box is to jailbreak, unlock, and mod the hell out of it.
The problem is everyone who buys unlocked iPhones and have zero knowledge about how the unlocking was possible or what precautions are needed. Unlocking isn't just flipping a magic switch and...TADAH!
I'm planning to buy an iPhone in October. Believe me when I say that the first thing I'm going to do as soon as I take it out of the box is to jailbreak, unlock, and mod the hell out of it.
Patrick Klepek
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Apple will likely approach unlocking/hacking on a very basic level and make sure it's something only the dedicated know how to take advantage of. Unlocking to be on another service, however, is another story...chances are they will intentionally break that and if they're losing money, I don't blame them. Being able to have an app that puts RSS on my Home, rather than resorting to sorting through Safari bookmarks, however...what's the point in being malicious there? At that point, they're only removing goodwill from their customers.
Updating's not exactly mandatory, and you act like Engadget/Gizmodo won't test out phones the MOMENT a new update is out. Then, you know whether to clear your iPhone of hacks before upgrading, wait for new versions to it, etc. Who loses in this situation? I get the feeling in this thread that some of the non-modders somehow look down upon those that do.
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Updating's not exactly mandatory, and you act like Engadget/Gizmodo won't test out phones the MOMENT a new update is out. Then, you know whether to clear your iPhone of hacks before upgrading, wait for new versions to it, etc. Who loses in this situation? I get the feeling in this thread that some of the non-modders somehow look down upon those that do.
SuperPac
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SuperPac said:
ah. couldve sworn it was jobs. anyway, its still weird that the company would put out two very conflicting statements.
Kung Fu Jedi
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eXxy said:
Where did I say Engadget or Gizmodo wouldn't test the updates? Of course they will. I know how the game works as well as anyone. All I'm sayng is that when you unlock or mod, you're likely to be behind the curve when it comes to updates and features. And you could possibly be weeks or months behind the curve. That's something you accept when you go that route. And if you look at the lengths Apple has gone to prevent ringtones from being used on the iPhone, you have to know that once they get around to taking on the modders and unlockers, it may be similarly bad news.
As for looking down on those that mod, I really couldn't care less.
Kung Fu Jedi
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quadriplegicjon said:
I think you have a clear cut case of one person in the company speaking off the cuff, which got the Internet buzzing, but caused the company to define it's stance a little further. And when Jobs speaks, he is defining the company line.
Kung Fu Jedi
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Tobor said:
I was thinking the same thing, since you posted first.
SuperPac said:
The original statement is being referenced out of context. They said they would be neutral to people developing 3rd party apps on iPhone, not neutral to unlocking the iPhone from the pre-determined carrier. That's two very different things and when you make such distinction, Jobs' statement is consistent with the last.
My second iPhone is F'd. It constantly draws power all day since a software restore on monday. I actively used it about 30 minutes yesterday and the battery was down to 10% with over 9 hours of usage.
On top of that, it won't shut off. When I do a hard shut down it restarts on its own. WTF
On top of that, it won't shut off. When I do a hard shut down it restarts on its own. WTF
I'd say that the 3rd party apps have put most hackers months ahead of the curve. Maybe when Apple actually does a useful update people will care, but I don't think crap like pay-to-play ringtones will make people wish they could upgrade faster and more reliably.Kung Fu Jedi said:
Kung Fu Jedi
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border said:
Perhaps, but when Apple releases this first real update, this week or next, it could break all those third party apps, causing them to have to spend several weeks working on getting them working again.
But, the debate is pointless. If you want to hack your phone, you're willing to wait on updates and such. No big deal. If you don't hack it, you'll just take the updates as the come. Everyone enjoys their iPhone. Win-win!
Not sure if this was mentioned, Engadget has lots of screenshots of the version 1.1.1 firmware there are a lot more features than we originally thought.
Engadget Article
versatile.vox.com Article
* Now Playing controls on every screen via an overlay
* Double clicking the home button can be set to go directly to "Favorites" or "iPod"
* TV Video out(!)
* Closed captioning support
* Multiple international keyboards.
* Double tap the spacebar for a ". "
* Network setup with VPN support
* Disable/Enable EDGE Roaming
* iTunes Wifi Store
* New Calculator icon
Engadget Article
versatile.vox.com Article
* Now Playing controls on every screen via an overlay
* Double clicking the home button can be set to go directly to "Favorites" or "iPod"
* TV Video out(!)
* Closed captioning support
* Multiple international keyboards.
* Double tap the spacebar for a ". "
* Network setup with VPN support
* Disable/Enable EDGE Roaming
* iTunes Wifi Store
* New Calculator icon
SuperPac
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ckohler said:
Seems like a lot of good nips/tucks/tweaks are present here. The Wifi Store is a good first new application but I wish we had more indication of what else they have in store for the next couple months. And if they showed off phones with the new firmware in London already, what's holding up the rollout in the US?
Kung Fu Jedi
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SuperPac said:
I read somewhere that it was suppose to go out last weekend with the firmware updates for performance and bugs on the new iPods, but they found some bugs in the update that they wanted to squash first.
Bungaloo0O
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border said:
Exactly. At this point i have enough cool apps iPhone to not care if i "update" my phone any time soon. Why install Apple's updates when they've been all but worthless so far?
My 3rd party applications make it so that i don't care about anything Apple has to offer until they start coming with updated that include MMS, video recording, copy/paste, text forwarding, bulk email editing, voice dialing and a louder speaker output....
These updates are for people who don't hack, and are starving for updates to add to their limited set of features.
Shit, with Installer my iPhone gets updated every day.
aparisi2274
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anyone try the navizon GPS that is available
WordAssassin
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Why did they change the Calculator icon? Do they not have division in Europe?
Bungaloo0O
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74 degrees translates to roughly 23 celcius.Flo_Evans said:It looks like the weather icon updates now and tells you the current temp... unless the EU model is always saying 23 Celsius....
I kinda dislike the placement of the iTunes Wifi store icon... Why put it all the way on the right and have three blank spots before it?
Looking forward to the 1.1.1 firmware update anyway. Being able to bring up the iPod controls overlay will be sweet, and the double tap space bar for period sounds very handy.
Looking forward to the 1.1.1 firmware update anyway. Being able to bring up the iPod controls overlay will be sweet, and the double tap space bar for period sounds very handy.
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