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iPod Mini update coming soon? (Color screen and 5GB HDD)
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StrikerObi
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DarienA said:
Think Secret, and they're looking to block the supeonas under the first amendment.
Ninja Scooter
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not to take this OT, but i always wondered why the Shuffle got so much shit for being a ripoff, when its the Mini thats a huge rip IMO. Its not even THAT much smaller than a 4G, and for a mere $50 more you can get 4X the storage space.
I spent $300 on my second gen 10 gig iPod, and it's the best $300 I've ever spent. Sure, I'm considering the Creative Zen Touch for a replacement here (10 gig is WAY too small for me)... but odds are, I'll go with the iPod again. It's worth the money, especially if you have a humogonous fucking record collection, and the ability to listen to music all day long. Like me. $300 seems like a large investment, but it's cost me pretty much like, shit, 50 cents a day to use it. I'm not complainin'.Jotaro said:Fixed.
Which are, hey, what the hell is this, about the same money, and all try to essentially recreate a lot of the features of the iPod. How long ago did iPod debut? And how long has it taken for hard drive players to be on par? Have you used one? Or do you just hate it because it's popular?Jotaro said:Steve Jobs ownz your minds. Must be something subconcious in Apple's commercial for those gaypods.
What if I just want a good product for a good price? I will buy a Creative, or an Iriver.
P.S: I got mine before the commercials started, I don't own a single other Apple product, and I couldn't give two fucks about Steve Jobs.
Lambtron said:
I had hdd mp3 players before the Ipod started. I always found Creative nomad zens to offer mucho, mucho more bucks for the money. They are not as slim (exception with the Zen Touch models). Yes I used one, and I hated it. No I do not hate it because it's popular, I do because it's ridiculously more expensive than all the competition and it offers for example, much less storage for a much higher price tag.
I just hate it when grandmothers want one without barely knowing what it is, and the ridiculous hype surrounding it, it's getting sick. People will not even compare the competition what has it got to offer. People are so psyched because it's cute and tiny.
My friend showed me his Ipod, I showed him an old Zen. I spent some time wiith it, and I hate the interface, hate the stupid wheel and interface, the lack of formats, my old nomad zen has got much more features. It's made from cheaper parts and it's not as cute and tiny, but I like it better as for all other reasons I can think of. My friend wished he had a Zen in place. For sure, it's only my opinion.
Chittagong
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B'z-chan said:Shuffle and Minimac arent all that will be big from apple this year
The elusive Powerbook G5 or something disruptive Mac Mini and iPod shuffle?
Jotaro said:Fixed.
:lol I wouldn't go that far, though you can get better value for the money if you know where to look.
And obviously most people only want iPods...I've yet to see a TV ad for another MP3 player like, ever. More power to Apple for creating such a powerful brand. I just wish the Shuffle wasn't so fucking worthless, or it'd be mine within a month.
mrklaw said:
I have an iPod mini and I've filled it up. It makes me question how much music I need to carry around. I mean I have the entire Black Sabbath-Ozzy years on there, the entire Led Zeppelin catalogue, a few U2 Cds, a bunch of new stuff, and I haven't even put a dent in my CD collection. I mean I have over 500 CDs so they can't all fit on the thing.
Aruarian Reflection
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I have an iRiver H320, and I only have it half full of music. That's because the other half is full of TV shows, movies, music videos, anime episodes, etc.
I can watch Arrested Development episodes, switch to Kung Fu Hustle, then finish off with a couple Naruto episodes. All this on a brilliant color screen, and with battery life that's comparable to an iPod (of course, if I play mp3 only, the battery life smokes ipod's). Oh yeah, and it's cheaper than an iPod :lol
I've found that the majority of ipod owners buy it only because it's popular and not because they really need a mp3 player. What tips me off to that? So many people have no clue about other players on the market. I would think that somebody who seriously wants a mp3 player would do some research before plunking down $300 on one.
I can watch Arrested Development episodes, switch to Kung Fu Hustle, then finish off with a couple Naruto episodes. All this on a brilliant color screen, and with battery life that's comparable to an iPod (of course, if I play mp3 only, the battery life smokes ipod's). Oh yeah, and it's cheaper than an iPod :lol
I've found that the majority of ipod owners buy it only because it's popular and not because they really need a mp3 player. What tips me off to that? So many people have no clue about other players on the market. I would think that somebody who seriously wants a mp3 player would do some research before plunking down $300 on one.
Chittagong
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B'z-chan said:
APPLETON!
Apple is good at:
1. Design
2. User friendliness
3. Vertically integrated systems (2 kinda results of this)
4. Creating new marketing concepts using off-the-shelf components
Whatever they are cooking, looking back at the last two years (iPod, iPod mini, iPod shuffle Mac Mini, iBook, Powerbooks, Airport Express, OSX Panther, iSight), I'm sure it will be damn cool.
What I've love to see them do is introduce a kick-ass mobile phone. However, knowing the economics and complexity of the industry, I must say - fat chance. PDA would be possible, but then again - they got pretty bad burned with Newton.
I have a 3G 20GB iPod, it's COMPLETELY full, and I haven't even ripped half my CD collection yet. My iTunes music library is 4225 songs, 15.2 days, 20.52 GB right now -- I've just been swapping stuff on and off the iPod according to my mood. I've decided to wait for the 5G models later this year to upgrade to a larger iPod since my CompUSA plan doesn't run out until November.mrklaw said:
Strictly speaking, here are the stats from the iPod right now:
Songs: 3901 (However, realize that some of those "songs" are over an hour long. I rip continuous DJ mixes as a single track for the sake of continuity.)
Capacity: 18.5 GB (Some amount of space is reserved for other types of data -- I hear there are ways to hack the OS to squeeze out more room, but it's not like an extra gig will make much of a difference in my case.)
Available: 264 MB (Since I got a few more CDs as early birthday presents, that 264 MB is about to go down.)
One more thing while I'm thinking about it.
Lately, there has been a very subtle troll which shows up in every iPod thread, and it's starting to really bug me. Although the exact wording varies, it goes something like this: "I hate people who buy iPods. If they had done any research on MP3 players, they would have realized that ______ had more features/was cheapers/came with a free blowjob and they never would have bought an iPod." So what's wrong with that?
1) You are assuming that iPod buyers haven't done any research about other options. How can that possibly be true? Although some people may buy based on name or reputation alone, there are a shitload more who actually CONSIDER what they are buying before throwing a couple of hundred dollars across the counter at a store.
2) You are ignoring the fact that technical capabilities are not the ONLY features that ought to be considered in a trade. Ease of use, style, and form factor are every bit as valid as points of comparison as battery life and supported media formats.
3) All of this boils down to the fallacy, "Everyone should agree with my personal choice."
People buy different things for different reasons, and that's been true about every type of product since the dawn of sales. Why the need for a jihad over MP3 player brands? I just don't get it.
Lately, there has been a very subtle troll which shows up in every iPod thread, and it's starting to really bug me. Although the exact wording varies, it goes something like this: "I hate people who buy iPods. If they had done any research on MP3 players, they would have realized that ______ had more features/was cheapers/came with a free blowjob and they never would have bought an iPod." So what's wrong with that?
1) You are assuming that iPod buyers haven't done any research about other options. How can that possibly be true? Although some people may buy based on name or reputation alone, there are a shitload more who actually CONSIDER what they are buying before throwing a couple of hundred dollars across the counter at a store.
2) You are ignoring the fact that technical capabilities are not the ONLY features that ought to be considered in a trade. Ease of use, style, and form factor are every bit as valid as points of comparison as battery life and supported media formats.
3) All of this boils down to the fallacy, "Everyone should agree with my personal choice."
People buy different things for different reasons, and that's been true about every type of product since the dawn of sales. Why the need for a jihad over MP3 player brands? I just don't get it.
-jinx- said:
What, me a troll?
Well, if you really think I am, you haven't seen other message boards' users that troll Ipod threads.
-jinx- said:
Is not that very far from what I said? I did not said that I hated those people, I meant, because of the marketing and the Titanic-like levels of hype, and because it is cute and tiny, some (not all) people want one even if they do not know what it is, just because it is trendy. Or that people will not even know, or consider other options, because of that omnipresent marketing and hype. That's the sole thing that is really bumming me out.
-jinx- said:
Well, I don't want to flame, let's just say that Creative Labs or Iriver do not have commercials all over TV, journalists of any domain ranthing about it out of the blue, constant press because of all this trend, a vertical domination (Itunes) to back them up, or even U2, Barbie or whatever themes that go with them. That alone, coupled with the fact that 84 percent of the MP3 players sold in the US are Ipods, make me think that there are way more people who do not even considere the competition (or just, don't know it exists) who bought all these devices.
Believe me, I cannot believe it how many dozens time a friend tells me he wants an Ipod.
"You should at least look at what the competition has got to offer."
"No, I want an Ipod!"
"Why?"
"I want to get so much mp3s, plus it's just so cool!"
"Isn't it more like, it's all cute and trendy?"
"No! No one offers what Apple does!"
Then I show the person cheap alternatives (worst is, a lot do not have much money), I make clear, non-fanboy opinions about why I think the competition offers more. Most of the time, the person will either say "thanks dude, I will make a wiser choice I guess" or "Ipods are just overpriced junk! I will go with Creative/Iriver/Rio!"
The worst is, I cannot believe it when a couple weeks later, the person has got an Ipod. When I ask why, they recognize that I convinced them, but never can they rationnaly justify the purchase. Cute, tiny, trendy, conquers all, or so it would appear.
-jinx- said:
Well, ease of use, Creative (with their Zen touch), and Iriver, and Rio with the Rio Karma, have made real efforts to make them easier to use, stylish, and compact. As for the media formats, well, it's more of a monopoly that makes apple ignore other audio codecs. I still think it is frowned upon, Ogg Vorbis and FLAC will never get a chance because of such things. But I know about limited chipsets capacities, still.
-jinx- said:
I do not think I mentioned a particular device that was my personal choice, other than stating I owned a Nomad Zen. The rest, I mentioned the competition more than anything else me thinks, other than some sporadic (but light and good-hearted) sarcasm.
-jinx- said:
People buy Windows because they have to, but they might like the competition. And I did not do a jihad, I just wanted to convince people that there might be some good alternatives out there, not even that there were always better alternatives than Ipods.
I just wanted to set things straight: I'm not the man you think I am, mmm'kay?
Say, what mp3 player offers BJs? :lol
(and Lame is better than the Fraunhofen mp3 encoder that comes with Itunes
SnowWolf said:
You go, girl. I'm sure you realize that watching video is pretty hard when you're taking a walk or running, unless you like to slam into things.
As for the reasons why most people buy iPods? Well, it's much easier to use for neophytes, who understand the concept of searching by artist, album, or song better than they do scrolling directories. Or maybe it's how the iPod automatically syncs to the computer, with no user intervention needed. Or perhaps the size, which is still the smallest of the massive, HDD-based players.
Yeah, "because its popular."
Jotaro's obviously anecdotal evidence said:
For the record, in terms of UI, ease-of-use, and integration with an online music store in addition to the iPod's capabilities, "no one offers what Apple does!" is an accurate statement.
Jotaro claiming to not be a troll said:What, me a troll?
Jotaro being a troll said:
Jotaro buying a Z with automatic said:(and Lame is better than the Fraunhofen mp3 encoder that comes with Itunes
iTunes defaults to the AAC codec, which is GREAT. There's no rational reason to use the iTunes mp3 codec once you start using that, unless you're using iTunes as an encoding app only, which is just a little excessive given its size.
xsarien said:
I know this is, I meant with every factor considered.
Those two evidences, let me explain.
First, the adjective that may or may not offend some people, I have no excuses for and I am sorry (really). It must be because I browse so many sites where terms even more harmful (not to mention sentences) are used, and I made a bow not to do this, but I guess I let this one slip. Mea culpa.
xsarien said:
That second comment I made was just a smartass comment in the end just to poke some slight, candid fun and to ease up the huge argumentation I had just made, to create some contrast btw.
I know AAC is great. There are ways I think, because of the infinite compatibility of mp3. Of course LAME is better because it offers better mp3 sounds quality. But fact is, it offers VBR (which is very important in mp3 encoding no matter how you view it), and Fraunhofen's VBR encoding just blows. Quality, and the timers get messed up. That is, if Itunes even supports VBR MP3 encoding, that's what makes me think they're not so hot on VBR.
And I do not like that you seemed to have ignored in your rhetoric just about everything else I have said (which I deem at least informative), save for those few things that do not represent myself at all I swear.
Ninja Scooter
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SnowWolf said:
i already have a TV. I actually debated between an Ipod and Iriver before i bought my 4G. It ultimately boiled down to the fact that i have no use for any of Irivers extra features. Don't need an extra HD. Don't need an FM tuner. Don't need an audio recorder. Ultimately Itunes and yes, even Ipod's sleek design trumped all of that (and people need to stop acting like the design isn't a factor in personal/home electonics. The same people saying this probably spend $200 on a custom PC case)
Don't be a Nathan Barley.
Become a man and put away your childish things.
100 GB baby!!!!!!!!
http://www.archos.com/press/press_releases/ARCHOS_AV4100_uk_170205.pdf
Become a man and put away your childish things.
100 GB baby!!!!!!!!
http://www.archos.com/press/press_releases/ARCHOS_AV4100_uk_170205.pdf
Jotaro said:
:lol
I've dropped my Gmini plenty of times with no problems and as for built like a tank.
Well I can watch Aliens, Matrix Reloaded ect on the bus to work in the same form factor as a I-Pod owner....what can IPOD owners do to match me other then sit on the bus holding out their IPOD so that the whole world can see in the palm of their hands, while not bothering to tuck in the headphone cord swinging around FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO SEE. LOOK EVERYONE!! I'M NEW MEDDIAA! I HAVE WHITE HEADPHONES! I'M COOL! BE MY FRIEND. I laugh whenever I see Ipod owners doing that...god damn Nathan Barleys.
Ninja Scooter
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COCKLES said:
i can drive my car.
Shogmaster
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Or the converse of that is, there's a lot of overly sensitive iPod defensive posturing at every opportunity.
It all depends on your perspective.
Jinx, I will say that you are the greatest Apple defender in all the realm. You are ever vigilent. *bows down*
Now, for the real reason for my presence in this thread. Any substantial rumors about arrival of 5th gen iPods? I'm about to grab couple of 4th gen ones for my project, but if the rumors are that the 5th gen is right around the corner, I might hold off.
It all depends on your perspective.
Jinx, I will say that you are the greatest Apple defender in all the realm. You are ever vigilent. *bows down*
Now, for the real reason for my presence in this thread. Any substantial rumors about arrival of 5th gen iPods? I'm about to grab couple of 4th gen ones for my project, but if the rumors are that the 5th gen is right around the corner, I might hold off.
I'm no huge lover of Apple, but iPod/iTunes was genius. When everyone in the music industry was trying to shun digital music, Apple turns around with the iPod/iTunes and embraced digital music in a way that satisfies both the consumer and the industry. The result is a billion dollar industry with Apple in the lead
Shogmaster said:Or the converse of that is, there's a lot of overly sensitive iPod defensive posturing at every opportunity.
It all depends on your perspective.
Jinx, I will say that you are the greatest Apple defender in all the realm. You are ever vigilent. *bows down*
Now, for the real reason for my presence in this thread. Any substantial rumors about arrival of 5th gen iPods? I'm about to grab couple of 4th gen ones for my project, but if the rumors are that the 5th gen is right around the corner, I might hold off.
There was a time when the Ipod fanboys were just as (if not more) annoying, but it seems the tide has definitely turned in the last couple of months. I think I tend to desipise whoever is loudest at any particular moment.
Off topic. Anyone else notice an increase of stupidity of GAF lately? I don't want to just blame the influx of junior members, but this forum has seen a slide in quality the last couple of months.
I am gonna guess that a. it's an Apple product and b. iTunes is big on 128kbps mp4 files, and most GAF members are crazy about higher quality VBR mp3's.-jinx- said:
That being said, bashing the iPod is kind of lame; I've thought about buying one, as well as an iRiver, and a portable audio device that reads memory sticks (like jumpdrives).
xsarien said:
But not in VBR if I recall correctly, Apple chose not to implement that with their AAC MPEG-4 encoder (as opposition to say, Nero). I don't know if it has changed since then (some people said that Apple might choose to allow ABR), but my guess would be no. It's a shame because MPEG-4 AAC in VBR has got some great potential, as demonstrated with the Nero encoder.
And I feel way too much unjustified hatred towards me in this thread.
The iAudio M3 is much superior to iPod or any other HDplayer I know of.
- It has better sound quality (BBE)
- Better navigation/usability
- Radio
- Corded display (so you don't have to fiddle in the blind or take it out all the time)
- Costs less
- Better battery life
- Supports OggVorbis
- Built-in microphone
- Larger capacity
Soon iAudio will release the M5, a fully-fledged media player with all the above features as well as an 1.8 inch TFT colour screen.
- It has better sound quality (BBE)
- Better navigation/usability
- Radio
- Corded display (so you don't have to fiddle in the blind or take it out all the time)
- Costs less
- Better battery life
- Supports OggVorbis
- Built-in microphone
- Larger capacity
Soon iAudio will release the M5, a fully-fledged media player with all the above features as well as an 1.8 inch TFT colour screen.
Squeak said:
If I recall correctly, these players are enormous, have features for geeks, and the pricetag is ludacris. That might have changed tough, but the discussions I read on hydrogenaudio went into that sense. I think it's original meaning (or praise) was Ogg Vorbis support.
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