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[Jr.]

Well, I think these pictures about sum it up, you know that darn "Liberal" media sure did try and make the Iraqi "elections" look bad....

Iraqi Elections.....

 

[Boogie]

Well, shucks. I guess now that we have a photo of one Iraqi polling station that only has one person voting at the moment the picture was taken, we can safely say that the election was a failure.

Spoiler

You're a douche, btw

 

[Do The Mario]

Well, shucks. I guess now that we have a photo of one Iraqi polling station that only has one person voting at the moment the picture was taken, we can safely say that the election was a failure.

Spoiler

You're a douche, btw

Wow text book boogie hurling insults at people and posting nothing of value or constructive.

 

[Drozmight]

What?

 

[Boogie]

Wow text book boogie hurling insults at people and posting nothing of value or constructive.

So this guy posting a single picture from Iraq and drawing (I'm sorry, "insinuating") conclusions based on a single picture is posting something of "Value"?

 

[bob_arctor]

Well, shucks. I guess now that we have a photo of one Iraqi polling station that only has one person voting at the moment the picture was taken, we can safely say that the election was a failure.

Spoiler

You're a douche, btw

It's pretty obvious from all the other coverage in the papers--you know, the ink stained "We're #1! We're #1!" fingers waving defiantly in the air, the hordes of people just itching for their chance to vote, that famous one-legged guy that was quoted and referenced in every single paper here in New York, and again the very next day ("I would have crawled here if I had to!" is now officially Iraq's new national motto), we can all say that the election was a spectacular success.

 

[Jr.]

Well, shucks. I guess now that we have a photo of one Iraqi polling station that only has one person voting at the moment the picture was taken, we can safely say that the election was a failure.

Spoiler

You're a douche, btw

More or less you are correct in your assesment of the elections. As for your other comment, I guess that is one way of saying I get more pussy than you?

 

[Do The Mario]

So this guy posting a single picture from Iraq and drawing (I'm sorry, "insinuating") conclusions based on a single picture is posting something of "Value"?

Click the link

 

[Azih]

The elections did not go as badly as its harshet critics claim and did not go as well as its most dedicated proponents say.

 

[Jr.]

The elections did not go as badly as its harshet critics claim and did not go as well as its most dedicated proponents say.

Im gonna go with, "We will never really know how the elections went." point of view. Sounds like the news all reported from the similar places... Also, it seems that there are quite a few foreign countrys calling BS on the whole thing so, we will see.

Oh yeah, the 53 dead and over a hundred wounded would probably beg to differ!

 

[Boogie]

Click the link

It has a few more pictures, which also don't really indicate anything.


Look, it isn't just the US media saying that the elections were successful. The coverage in the Toronto Star, interviewing Canadian election monitors, said the elections went well.

So if you're going to try to paint the elections as a failure, you better provide something more than an isolated photograph.

 

[Jr.]

It has a few more pictures, which also don't really indicate anything.


Look, it isn't just the US media saying that the elections were successful. The coverage in the Toronto Star, interviewing Canadian election monitors, said the elections went well.

So if you're going to try to paint the elections as a failure, you better provide something more than an isolated photograph.

Well I could go and research the entire thing, but I dont have time. Right now there are Britts, Gorbichav, and various Sunni groups calling BS on the whole thing. I would venture to say that it is true is Allowi is still the PM. How about the claims by some Iraqis that they had to vote to continue getting their food rations.

Sorry you are so gullible as to believe what you read or hear in the US news.

 

[Do The Mario]

So if you're going to try to paint the elections as a failure, you better provide something more than an isolated photograph.

When the fuck did i say that?

There was no reason for you to call someone names because they posted a link and a picture.

That is something 13 year olds do.

 

[ToxicAdam]

Oh yeah, the 53 dead and over a hundred wounded would probably beg to differ!

Angst +1


It's a shame people defending thier (potential) freedoms and those particpating in government for the first time gave thier life to do so ... yet you see it as a means to gloat over, for your e-political agenda.

Congrats on being an a-hole. Hope it works for you.

 

[Boogie]

Well I could go and research the entire thing, but I dont have time. Right now there are Britts, Gorbichav, and various Sunni groups calling BS on the whole thing. I would venture to say that it is true is Allowi is still the PM. How about the claims by some Iraqis that they had to vote to continue getting their food rations.

Sorry you are so gullible as to believe what you read or hear in the US news.

I just told you I don't read US news.

 

[bob_arctor]

It has a few more pictures, which also don't really indicate anything.


Look, it isn't just the US media saying that the elections were successful. The coverage in the Toronto Star, interviewing Canadian election monitors, said the elections went well.

So if you're going to try to paint the elections as a failure, you better provide something more than an isolated photograph.

The thing is, even the idea that it could have been a failure was never even entertained as a notion. This was the reaction and commentary we would have all been getting rammed down our throats had they held this election 2,0000 times in a row. Barring some sort of nuclear stike at a polling station by the insurgents, election day in Iraq could have been marked down on a calendar decades ago as "Day Most Likely To Be Universally Accepted As Greatest Day In Iraqi History".

 

[Zilch]

Yeah, we shouldn't have let those Iraqis even have an election. What were we thinking?

 

[Jr.]

Angst +1


It's a shame people defending thier (potential) freedoms and those particpating in government for the first time gave thier life to do so ... yet you see it as a means to gloat over, for your e-political agenda.

Congrats on being an a-hole. Hope it works for you.

I think you have it all worng, if these people REALLY wanted to defend their freedoms or even fight for them then they wouldn't have needed 120k US troops to come marching into their country to save them. Im not gloating and if you took it as such then you are the A-hole.

 

[Jr.]

Yeah, we shouldn't have let those Iraqis even have an election. What were we thinking?

:lol HAHAHAHA that is great, I love how you said we let, like we are the ones in control, oh yeah...

 

[bob_arctor]

Yeah, we shouldn't have let those Iraqis even have an election. What were we thinking?

Hell, we shouldn't be letting them do anything. That's my beef.

 

[gohepcat]

Well I could go and research the entire thing, but I dont have time. Right now there are Britts, Gorbichav, and various Sunni groups calling BS on the whole thing. I would venture to say that it is true is Allowi is still the PM. How about the claims by some Iraqis that they had to vote to continue getting their food rations.

Sorry you are so gullible as to believe what you read or hear in the US news.

I'm sorry but this is just friggin retarded. The Sunni groups were gonna cry foul no matter what happened. The elections went off as smoothly as any reasonable person could expect.

I opposed this war, and Pres Bush, but I'm not so much of a diluted asshole as to look at the elections as anything but a success.

Honestly, its people like you that I fear the most because you are on "my side". If you ever want to change things for the better you better be willing to stand for the truth no matter how much it weakens your political argument, and if your argument was so weak in the first place that it can be shaken by successful elections then you need to reevaluate why you think we shouldn't have gone there. You have to stop looking at your oppenets like they are bad guys in shitty Michael Crichton movies

These elections were a great moment, and a great step forward. ....it doesn't change the fact that we shouldn't have gone over there in this way.

 

[KingGondo]

Give me a fucking break, Jr.--even the New York liberal media (NYTimes, etc.) proclaimed the election to be a success. Just because you didn't approve of the war (which I assume you didn't) doesn't mean nothing good came out of it.

Don't worry, anyway--I'm sure you and your fellow fanatics will find plenty to gripe about depending on who's elected.

 

[gohepcat]

Give me a fucking break, Jr.--even the New York liberal media (NYTimes, etc.) proclaimed the election to be a success. Just because you didn't approve of the war (which I assume you didn't) doesn't mean nothing good came out of it.

Don't worry, anyway--I'm sure you and your fellow fanatics will find plenty to gripe about depending on who's elected.

You see. you're making me agree with an asshole like this

 

[Jr.]

Give me a fucking break, Jr.--even the New York liberal media (NYTimes, etc.) proclaimed the election to be a success. Just because you didn't approve of the war (which I assume you didn't) doesn't mean nothing good came out of it.

Don't worry, anyway--I'm sure you and your fellow fanatics will find plenty to gripe about depending on who's elected.

Ok tell me why they were "SO" successful, what do they mean? Was it a victory for the Iraqi people because they could go vote, regardless of the outcome? Was it REALLY just a victory for the Bush administration so they could say, "Yup, see we told you the elections would happen!"? I mean come on, what is being gauged as a success. I bet people thought the "Free" elections in Vietnam right before the Tet-Offensive were considered "successful" too. Then what happened, huh? I'm not saying that they arent meaningfull, but I question just how, "Successful" they really were.

 

[Do The Mario]

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These elections were a great moment, and a great step forward. ....it doesn't change the fact that we shouldn't have gone over there in this way.

My opinion right there exactly, Prop’s to the “coalition of the willing” for going the distance in Iraq. But I am less then thrilled with the war under false pretence, Total lack of respect for the UN, High civilian casualties and the lack of diplomacy when dealing with diverse ethnic groups. Plus we could open the can of beans when fascist Iraq had US support.

So yeah despite the fact i didn’t agree on the war on Iraq i am glad to finally see positive signs from the occupation.

 

[olimario]

It's a victory for Iraq because they had a great voter turnout, less deaths occured than what was thought, and they got to elect into power the person the majority wanted in power.

The deaths suck, but the election was a great step.

 

[ToxicAdam]

I think you have it all worng, if these people REALLY wanted to defend their freedoms or even fight for them then they wouldn't have needed 120k US troops to come marching into their country to save them. Im not gloating and if you took it as such then you are the A-hole.

Please read what you said. Now think about how stupid it is. Please use your brain, and think of the previous regime and how this was not possible. Then think about the hundreds of thousands of past Iraqi's that were murdered, imprisoned or exiled for even attempting some sort of independent thought.




So not gloating is posting ONE picture of ONE Iraqi voting in an isolated booth.


... not gloating is using the word ELECTIONS in quotes? To imply they were a fraud?



Ok, you're right I was the a-hole. You were just the one who made light of people trying to express themselves under intense circumstances. You're a fucking saint.

 

[bob_arctor]

Give me a fucking break, Jr.--even the New York liberal media (NYTimes, etc.) proclaimed the election to be a success. Just because you didn't approve of the war (which I assume you didn't) doesn't mean nothing good came out of it.

Don't worry, anyway--I'm sure you and your fellow fanatics will find plenty to gripe about depending on who's elected.

The NY Times being liberal means what exactly? That they wouldn't parrot the party line? That they'd somehow run a front page story proclaiming the whole election a sham, a farce, a forced excercise in PR? No, no, no--they may be liberal, but the Times ain't fucking crazy. And even if they did say those things, how does this take away from the bravery of those that did come out to vote? Isn't that what we're talking about when we claim the election to be "successful"? Or are we all misty-eyed at the whole "they spoke for freedom!" BS being peddled left and right?

 

[Jr.]

It's a victory for Iraq because they had a great voter turnout, less deaths occured than what was thought, and they got to elect into power the person the majority wanted in power.

The deaths suck, but the election was a great step.

I mean what was the going number of expected deaths? We still had 54, after all, the roads were shut down, the ariways shutdown, you got shot if you were drivning around.... It was toal lock down in Iraq over the weekend. I would hope there were few incidents, oh we also lost what, 5 guys on Sunday/Monday. It sounds like just another day in good ol US run Iraq.

 

[ManDudeChild]

It's a victory for Iraq because they had a great voter turnout, less deaths occured than what was thought, and they got to elect into power the person the majority wanted in power.

The deaths suck, but the election was a great step.

Do you even know what the people in Iraq were voting for?

It's good to hear that the elections didn't have too many problems (doesn't change the fact your country was wrong), but seriously. Do you even know what they were voting for?

 

[Jr.]

Please read what you said. Now think about how stupid it is. Please use your brain, and think of the previous regime and how this was not possible. Then think about the hundreds of thousands of past Iraqi's that were murdered, imprisoned or exiled for even attempting some sort of independent thought.




So not gloating is posting ONE picture of ONE Iraqi voting in an isolated booth.


... not gloating is using the word ELECTIONS in quotes? To imply they were a fraud?



Ok, you're right I was the a-hole. You were just the one who made light of people trying to express themselves under intense circumstances. You're a fucking saint.

Im glad you can see the truth, I forgive you. I didnt try and make light of it, I questioned the info comming out about it.

 

[gohepcat]

The high voter turn out also made the insurgents look like a fanatical minority, and showed the people of Iraq as brave. It also helped that it was lead by women.

The current elected officials have vowed to involve the Sunni minority as much as they possibly can, and have really "reached across the isle" to make sure that, even though they didn't vote, they get a voice in the new government. All in all they have dealt with this with the type of finesse that is atypical of the Bush administration.

I somehow see Bush screwing this up, but we will see.

 

[Do The Mario]

think of the previous regime and how this was not possible\
.

Yes hard to topple a regime that the US supplied with weapons.

Didn’t Iraq have support from the Reagan Government??

 

[bob_arctor]

Please read what you said. Now think about how stupid it is. Please use your brain, and think of the previous regime and how this was not possible. Then think about the hundreds of thousands of past Iraqi's that were murdered, imprisoned or exiled for even attempting some sort of independent thought.

Haven't some of history's bloodiest and most ruthless dictators, many of them in power with continued support by the U.S., some easily on Saddam's level of notoriety, been forceably displaced by their own people, even while the US was trying their hardest to actually keep them in power? Didn't Saddam, again with our support, gas his own people when they tried to overthrow him in 1991? Wouldn't it have been possible then? Didn't our ruthless sanctions against Iraq in reality just decimate the common people and actually make them almost entirely dependent on the Saddam regime for any sort of sustenance, thus virtually eliminating the prospect of another rebellion? Did we ever have this national obsession with democracy prior to the invasion and occupation?

 

[gohepcat]

Haven't some of history's bloodiest and most ruthless dictators, many of them in power with continued support by the U.S., some easily on Saddam's level of notoriety, been forceably displaced by their own people, even while the US was trying their hardest to actually keep them in power? Didn't Saddam, again with our support, gas his own people when they tried to overthrow him in 1991? Wouldn't it have been possible then? Didn't our ruthless sanctions against Iraq in reality just decimate the common people and actually make them almost entirely dependent on the Saddam regime for any sort of sustenance, thus virtually eliminating the prospect of another rebellion? Did we ever have this national obsession with democracy prior to the invasion and occupation?

Yea I'm sure ending the sanctions on Iraq would have flooded the common people with the means to overthrow Saddam...and while we are on the subject...what was worng with those Jews in Germany. I mean come on. Get your shit together and get rid of that Hitler guy.

Why does everything have to be like a friggn spy novel with you people. Man you love the high drama...Logic be damned.

 

[Do The Mario]

yea I'm sure ending the sactions on Iraq would have flooded the common people with the means to overthrow Saddam...and while we are on the subect...what was worng with those Jews in Germany. I mean come on. Get your shit together and get rid of that Hitler guy.

So you just ignored the point about the Reagan administration providing Iraq with Weapons. Maybe if Saddam didn’t have US backed armaments the people could have overthrown him?

 

[Jr.]

Yea I'm sure ending the sanctions on Iraq would have flooded the common people with the means to overthrow Saddam...and while we are on the subject...what was worng with those Jews in Germany. I mean come on. Get your shit together and get rid of that Hitler guy.

Why does everything have to be like a friggn spy novel with you people. Man you love the high drama...Logic be damned.

your common sense or lack of it is funny. By the time the Jews knew what was going on it was too late, and THEY WER IN CAMPS!!! The Iraqis were free to do what they wanted to an extent, if they really wanted to be involved in thier frredom, then we wouldnt have this problem of them not having enough inlistments in their military and police.

 

[bob_arctor]

yea I'm sure ending the sactions on Iraq would have flooded the common people with the means to overthrow Saddam...and while we are on the subect...what was worng with those Jews in Germany. I mean come on. Get your shit together and get rid of that Hitler guy.

Well, we'll never know, will we? We do know, however, the toll they had on the very people we're currently championing as beacons of democracy. Those sanctions never targeted Saddam and his cohorts. And again, they had a chance in '91 to forceably remove Saddam, but with our help, Saddam squelched that one damn quick.

 

[Jr.]

Well, we'll never know, will we? We do know, however, the toll they had on the very people we're currently championing as beacons of democracy. Those sanctions never targeted Saddam and his cohorts. And again, they had a chance in '91 to forceably remove Saddam, but with our help, Saddam squelched that one damn quick.

and why didnt we go in there in 91???

Good old "Dick" didnt see anyway we would be able to tople the government and then get out in a reasonable amount of time...

 

[Che]

In other related yet exciting news Iraqi "President" al-Yawer said US Troops Should Stay in Iraq. How surprising!

 

[Do The Mario]

I hope we get an unedited testimony from saddam, that way he can talk about his relationship with Reagan. I would just love to watch the conservatives scramble.

 

[Jr.]

In other related yet exciting news Iraqi "President" al-Yawer said US Troops Should Stay in Iraq. How surprising!

Whats even more surprising is the fact that the role of president doesnt mean squat in their form of government and the PM is the higher position. Where is that pesky PM anyway???

 

[Do The Mario]

Anyone think that we will be removing the fascist dictator Al Yawer from power in 25 years?

jk

 

[Azih]

Look the real results of this election will be known in say... 5 years or so. Worst case scenario Iraq is embroiled in a nasty civil war. Best case scenario Iraq is a stable peaceful country where secterain tensions are on a very low burn (they ain't going away). Of course there are a million scenarios in between.

 

[Link648099]

Felt this was relavant for the discussion...

Naysayers Tight Lipped Since Succes of Iraq Vote

Skeptics of President Bush's attempt to bring democracy to Iraq have been largely silent since Iraqis enthusiastically turned out for Sunday's elections.

Billionaire Bush-basher George Soros and left-wing filmmaker Michael Moore were among critics of the administration's Iraq policy who had no comment after millions of Iraqis went to the polls in their nation's first free elections in decades.

Despite widespread predictions of spectacular terrorist attacks on election day in Iraq, fewer than 50 were killed, and the 60 percent turnout for the elections was much higher than many predicted.

Mr. Carter told NBC's "Today" show in September that he was confident the elections would not take place. "I personally do not believe they're going to be ready for the election in January ... because there's no security there," he said.

Mr. Soros, the Open Society Institute founder who contributed millions of dollars to groups seeking to prevent Mr. Bush's re-election, had denounced as a "sham" the administration's plans for a democratic Iraq.

Mr. Soros' Web site (www.georgesoros.com) has no reference to the Iraqi elections. Its latest comments are in a Jan. 26 op-ed article on what Mr. Soros calls Mr. Bush's "ambitious" second inaugural address.

There has been no comment since the Iraq elections from Mr. Moore, the Academy Award-winning filmmaker who characterized the Iraqi insurgents as "Minutemen," and predicted "they will win."

On the day before the elections, Mr. Moore featured a link to a column in the New York Times with the headline, "A Sinking Sensation of Parallels between Iraq and Vietnam." On the day after the elections, Mr. Moore linked to a story in the left-wing Nation magazine titled "Occupation Thwarts Democracy."

Moorewatch.com, a site dedicated to countering the filmmaker's political statements, knocked Mr. Moore for "failing to acknowledge [the Iraqi people's] achievement."
"I find it telling that the man who has lamented such great concern for the kite-flying, tea-sipping Iraqi people featured in 'Fahrenheit 9/11' can't be bothered to string together a few words of admiration for those same people who braved the threat of death to cast their votes this past weekend," the anti-Moore Web site said. "It seems Moore only admires the Iraqi people when they validate his agenda of hating George Bush."

Some administration critics, however, saw the Iraqi elections as reason to revise their opinion of Mr. Bush.
Chicago Sun-Times columnist Mark Brown, who has consistently opposed Mr. Bush and the war in Iraq, wrote for yesterday's edition that "it's hard to swallow," but "what if it turns out Bush was right, and we were wrong?"
The Chicago columnist wrote that he was struck by "television coverage from Iraq that showed long lines of people risking their lives by turning out to vote, honest looks of joy on so many of their faces."
"If it turns out Bush was right all along, this is going to require some serious penance," Mr. Brown wrote.

 

[Zilch]

Hey! Your conservative propaganda is not welcome here!



Haha, just for kicks I went to Michael Moore's website just now and unbelievably all the news headlines about the Iraq election were negative! What a funny fat fuck!

 

[Link648099]

Hey! Your conservative propaganda is not welcome here!



Haha, just for kicks I went to Michael Moore's website just now and unbelievably all the news headlines about the Iraq election were negative! What a funny fat fuck!

I got it from Drudge!!!!

 

[iapetus]

If it turns out Bush was right all along, this is going to require some serious penance

I don't get it. Why does Iraqis voting make Bush right about WMDs and the Al Quaeda link?

Meanwhile, Jr crosses the stupidity line once too often. I thought liberals were meant to be smart...

 

[Tritroid]

Didn't they say there was about a 73% voter turnout?

 

[impirius]

Ahhhh, two-party political systems are awesome. Why trouble yourself with things like "facts" and "truth" when you always know who's right and who's wrong?