I'd vote for manabyte to be reinstated. I forget what he did to earn the ban but in threads like this he was invaluable.
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I disagree, he was caught spewing false information on quite a few occasions. He'd just argue against anyone who didn't like what he did, it got super annoying.
Hence why I ignored the other mini-manabyte in this thread, it's getting really old.
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kpopSuperstar
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I don't know who the fuck Scott Lang is. If he did crime for fun, then fuck him too, and Loki, or whoever killed people.That's not an argument. And it's a pretty basic tactic to falsely characterize someone as livid if you don't have an actual argument against what they're saying.
Well, Scott Lang, who had a master's degree in electrical engineering, didn't need to do crime either, yet he did, multiple times. In fact, (referring to your claim Riri did not fact check Robbins on the places they were stealing from) he agrees to rob Darren Cross entirely on the word of Hank Pym, it's only when captured during the heist itself does Darren reveal he intends to sell his creation to HYDRA. So why is he allowed a redemption arc and she isn't? Especially when his redemption arc is literally him doing crime.
She flat out confronts Robbins after the first heist. Then, after Rampage, she began taking steps to finding out what is going on with Robbins' hood. Why are you acting like none of this happened?
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Now, that carbon dioxide trap, you know, the one that suffocated someone to death? Was that a fantasy, or a blatant violation of U.S. law? At the least, the owner is guilty of not only illegally endangering intruders but also his own security team, but at worst the security detail is aware of this illegal setup and chose to not turn their employer in.
I never said she was robbing them for insurance policies, what are you even saying?
I am not making this up, it's flat out the early plot of Wakanda Forever. The US government obtains her own invention from college and gives her zero credit, financial payment, anything for it and then they proceed to use it to find vibranium but are attacked by Namor's forces.
That is NOT a counter-argument. Address the comparison or admit you don't have a counter-argument to it, please. Simply saying something is the "worst" accomplishes nothing on your part.
Riri hasn't killed anyone except a guy, her own teammate, who tried to kill her, and she didn't even do that, the AI took control of her suit and left the guy to suffocate. When Robbins announces their second heist, she questions their methods. She begins looking into Robbins' hood. These are things that happened.
Oh, stealing and fraud? Again, Scott Lang. You remember him, right? He never needed to do that either. Yet did you want him to succeed even after he did it multiple times?
Also, you don't want Riri to succeed? Strange, as the show is pretty blatantly obvious heading for her confronting and fighting Robbins, I would have thought you would want to see the guy who has actually killed people to pay for his actions.
So basically:
-Tony Stark fails to keep a proper eye on where his arms sales goes and they end up in the hands of terrorists who hurt and kill innocent people
-Thor risks kickstarting a war between two realms that would have cost countless lives on both sides (something the rulers of BOTH realms being up, and Thor's own father sadly banishes his own son for his actions over this, you cannot minimize how awful the thing Thor did)
-most of the Guardians of the Galaxy engaged in theft and killing before they became a team, Nebula willingly worked for Ronan and his genocidal plan, and Mantis looked the other way as Ego killed untold numbers of his own children when they failed to display inherited powers until she meets the Guardians
-Scott Lang continually commits crime, even commits one with Hank Pym solely on his word, and also supports then-fugitive Steve Rogers, again, entirely on his word, even though he does not need to
-Stephen Strange, at the start of his first movie, engaged in extremely reckless driving, exceeding speed limits by likely at least 40 MPH, which could have resulted in the death of anyone he collided with, including potentially a (or multiple) child or a baby. And mind you, he's a surgeon, and should be fully aware of how insanely dangerous his driving was and could have ended up for someone else
-Frank Castle, come on, I mean, you were uninformed on one aspect of U.S. law in terms of civilians using lethal security traps, but I would hope that The Punisher's methods of all things should be clear why they break so many U.S. laws
-Loki, um, how did Natasha put it?
So explain to me why all these characters deserve a chance at redemption, or at least in your eyes aren't a "repugnant and crusty bitch", but Riri Williams doesn't, no matter what she does, apparently?
You use an argument here that holds no water, that I, for some reason, should have a list of crime done in the MCU, and that I should compare it to Ironheart. I don't know a thing about any of this, but if they commit similar acts and is supposed to be potrayed as heroes, then I am against them too.
I am acting like none of this happened because she continued working for the murder group. Knowing they murder. Because she wants quick cash. The confrontation needed to happen right after the first heist.
Stop talking about Scott Lang! Whoever the hell that is!
About the poisen traps. Virtually everything in this show is stupid and nonsensical. She flies around in a stolen suit and no one gives a shit. It uses solar power. Of course the poisen traps are illegal in real life, cause its a nonsensical plot. She infuses AI into her suit with earpod things on her temples. You have 2 lesbian butch women fistfighting dozens.
I have no idea why you list actions done by others. If they went along with killing for money, then they suck too. But I can't remember them acting like this, I think they all would stop the gang the moment they mentioned what they were doing, or the moment people died.
I don't need to explain why they deserve a chance of redemption. Maybe they don't.
It's superhero movies. And it's not realistic. It's silly and we don't care because we like them because they have redeemable qualities.
Riri does not. She doesnt do hero things, she do crime and ignore crime in every episode, she has no charisma and the actress can't act very well nor fit the character.
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AJUMP23
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Haha! Take that vile grifter! Have at you!
It is like manabyte is here with us.
ForAcademicPurposes
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DeafTourette
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Doom85
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Haven't gotten to them yet. Still need to watch them, as well as spend more time wondering if it's worth wasting my time responding to someone (not you, of course) who acted like they seemed fairly knowledgeable about the MCU but then just openly admitted they haven't seen any of the three Ant-man movies, Captain America: Civil War, or Avengers: Endgame given their lack of familiarity with a major player in four of those films (and a decent role in Civil War). Oh, and evidence suggests they did not actually see Black Panther 2 despite acting like they had earlier. Oh, and also flat out yelling at me because they can't be bothered to take the mere seconds it would require to Google "Scott Lang".
And especially egregious: lazily trying to dismiss closer analysis of prior MCU entries with a "it's superhero movies, it's not realistic, it's silly" despite in their very same post and prior post they nitpick the "realism" of Ironheart.
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Branded
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DC squandered all their potential with their previous 'cinematic universe' and now there's superhero fatigue. It's only going to get worse from here on out
The only thing DC has going for it (as far as films on the silver screen go) is Batman. Don't think people care for Superman any more.
DeafTourette
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Haven't gotten to them yet. Still need to watch them, as well as spend more time wondering if it's worth wasting my time responding to someone (not you, of course) who acted like they seemed fairly knowledgeable about the MCU but then just openly admitted they haven't seen any of the three Ant-man movies, Captain America: Civil War, or Avengers: Endgame given their lack of familiarity with a major player in four of those films (and a decent role in Civil War). Oh, and evidence suggests they did not actually see Black Panther 2 despite acting like they had earlier. Oh, and also flat out yelling at me because they can't be bothered to take the mere seconds it would require to Google "Scott Lang".
And especially egregious: lazily trying to dismiss closer analysis of prior MCU entries with a "it's superhero movies, it's not realistic, it's silly" despite in their very same post and prior post they nitpick the "realism" of Ironheart.
I understand. You can just reply to me or DM me if you want to avoid all that. Certain people just want to make everything a culture war and/or argue in bad faith.
Doom85
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Superman's overall domestic box office is being projected from 370 million to 510 million. Add in international box office and that is much bigger than the previous superhero movies' box office this year.
Also, there has been a four season Superman live-action series and a continuing Superman cartoon series within the last five years.
And all they have going for them is Batman? The Batman (2022) did quite well but it actually didn't outgross Wonder Woman 1 and especially not Aquaman 1. And the main reasons their sequels bombed is because Warner Bros stupidly released Wonder Woman 2 in late 2020, and Aquaman 2 had little interest as it had already been revealed a year ago that the DCEU wasn't getting a real ending with another Justice League movie or anything.
GateofD
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*waves I believe in Superman flag*
And will remain hopeful for a decent flash movie that doesn't just default to flashpoint cause i guess that's what they think he's only good for
apocaliptic
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I am not u understanding anything in this thread. But I have a question. Is it worth wasting time and watch it?
It's not the best, it's not the worst.
DeafTourette
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From what I've heard and read, last 3 episodes stick the landing.
DeafTourette
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No. It means it actually was good.
kpopSuperstar
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I watched the last three. I won't spoil, but this is my general takeaway:
I liked it more than the first three, but it still has too many issues. I don't find the story around Riri and Natalie to work at all, as they lack chemistry. The Natalie actress is actually decent, but Riri is as dry as hardwood.
The show in general has problems with bad looking special effects.
I don't understand why the show never talks about who did the drive-by on her stepdad and friend. Its such a big part of the show but never explored.
A few big twists happens, which is welcome, but it's like the show doesn't know what to do with them. It could have been handled a lot better.
The Hood is a terrible villain, boring and silly, he never becomes interesting. He should't have been used in the show.
I actually like the goth girl, but her part was rushed in quick. Like a lot of things, it needed development and context.
Riri continues to do wacky shit without thinking it through.
I'm not gonna spoil the last episode, but it's built for a second season, and it leaves too much open and unexplored.
Overall, they miscast Riri in Wakanda Forever and this show suffers the cost, she is the worst actor on the show apart from that little cringe kid that is supposed to be funny. The Hood is a bad villain and never interesting. The drag/lesbian crew she hangs with is fucking embarrasing and difficult to watch. The more interesting parts of the show comes in episode 5 and 6, but its somewhat weird and could have been used better and earlier. The shown is predictable, and Riri going criminal for the first 3 episodes is a weird choice.
I also just can't over that nobody cares that she stole the suit and use it to fly around and do crime.
I liked it more than the first three, but it still has too many issues. I don't find the story around Riri and Natalie to work at all, as they lack chemistry. The Natalie actress is actually decent, but Riri is as dry as hardwood.
The show in general has problems with bad looking special effects.
I don't understand why the show never talks about who did the drive-by on her stepdad and friend. Its such a big part of the show but never explored.
A few big twists happens, which is welcome, but it's like the show doesn't know what to do with them. It could have been handled a lot better.
The Hood is a terrible villain, boring and silly, he never becomes interesting. He should't have been used in the show.
I actually like the goth girl, but her part was rushed in quick. Like a lot of things, it needed development and context.
Riri continues to do wacky shit without thinking it through.
I'm not gonna spoil the last episode, but it's built for a second season, and it leaves too much open and unexplored.
Overall, they miscast Riri in Wakanda Forever and this show suffers the cost, she is the worst actor on the show apart from that little cringe kid that is supposed to be funny. The Hood is a bad villain and never interesting. The drag/lesbian crew she hangs with is fucking embarrasing and difficult to watch. The more interesting parts of the show comes in episode 5 and 6, but its somewhat weird and could have been used better and earlier. The shown is predictable, and Riri going criminal for the first 3 episodes is a weird choice.
I also just can't over that nobody cares that she stole the suit and use it to fly around and do crime.
All his multiverse 'others' are out touching grass, the Doom85 of this universe has sacrificed himself to save the othersI didn't have the patience to read through this thread, but I feel likeDoom85 needs to touch grass.
Billbofet
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Disney must pay by the post/word countAll his multiverse 'others' are out touching grass, the Doom85 of this universe has sacrificed himself to save the others
DeafTourette
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I let myself be spoiled by watching this. I still plan on forming my own opinion by watching when I get Disney Plus again...
Dice
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My thoughts so far:
1) I grew up Chicago hood and this depiction is cringe af, especially the fake accents that several of the actors are trying to put on.
2) Riri is extremely boring and while I see they are trying to develop her complexity into something by way of learning lessons, she is supposed to be a genius yet her mindset is like a child. Ultra lame character. If you are actually from Chicago hood you are way smarter than that.
3) The little crime crew is outright embarrassingly terrible and the suspension of disbelief over their victories is impossible.
4) Natalie is a joy. Holy shit why is this girl not the main? Too bad they wasted her on an AI so she can't take on a spinoff series. Sign her up for something else tho because we found a star.
1) I grew up Chicago hood and this depiction is cringe af, especially the fake accents that several of the actors are trying to put on.
2) Riri is extremely boring and while I see they are trying to develop her complexity into something by way of learning lessons, she is supposed to be a genius yet her mindset is like a child. Ultra lame character. If you are actually from Chicago hood you are way smarter than that.
3) The little crime crew is outright embarrassingly terrible and the suspension of disbelief over their victories is impossible.
4) Natalie is a joy. Holy shit why is this girl not the main? Too bad they wasted her on an AI so she can't take on a spinoff series. Sign her up for something else tho because we found a star.
DeafTourette
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If you liked Natalie, keep watching
lughnasadh123
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I can't get past Dominique Thorne having a TMNT face. It's so distracting while she's in the suit.
IDKFA
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And you can find, yet somehow you "conveniently" didn't, one sentence reviews for it that give it 1 star.
I'll be honest, those 5 star reviews look like they were pumped out by a bot, especially that bottom one.
kpopSuperstar
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Ok, this one is actually funny.
Unfortunately I think this is true for ALL 5 star reviews, no matter the product.
Dice
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Do you know what a problem AI is for schools? These days a normal fan may well lack the wherewithal to write their own 5 star review and ask AI to do it for them.
willothedog
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3/10 from Joe+co for the season. On par with Echo and Shit Hulk.
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CastorSoze
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Overall I liked it.
Though yet another ending that may never get followed up on considering the reception and the long time between filming and release.
Though yet another ending that may never get followed up on considering the reception and the long time between filming and release.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
I'm trying… I'm halfway through E4 and Riri is just so bad… they really couldn't find someone better?
"Alright, act like you're nervous but hiding it"
*acts like she has been holding a piss for an hour while having PTSD episode*
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yeah, I enjoyed the show as well. It's pretty good, a lot of Coogler influences in characterization and composition.
The finale was pretty good, they finally did the thing they've teased for years now. The cliff-hanger ending was also interesting. Wonder if this ever gets a follow up.
the 2 5 star reviews look like bots to meAnd you can find, yet somehow you "conveniently" didn't, one sentence reviews for it that give it 1 star.
i stil need to see it i need to do a Marathon sometime only saw 1/2 and that was long ago
Dirk Benedict
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It has its moments, but because no Weller, or Verhoeven? It falls flat, but at least it has a decent ending.
Kersner, would be my second choice if Verhoeven, wouldn't go back for more. I feel he got Verhoeven's dark, satirical humor.
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BadBurger
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I finished episode 4.
I like how they slowed down the pace and went with an even moodier tone moreso than they did with episode 3. Each episode has been improving and felt more purposefully structured than the last.
I was pleasantly surprised to see Doctor Strange's apprentice from the comics show up. I was definitely not expecting that.
If I had any major criticism of the show, it's that I feel the writers have been inconsistent with Riri's characterization. In the first two episodes she faced situations that were highly stressful, dire even, situations that could (and she knew would) have great jeopardy upon her future, all with great aplomb. This confidence began to falter in episode three, and continues its decline here in episode four. And to me it doesn't feel earned within the confines of the story itself.
There are still brief glimpses of that earlier Riri here and there, but they're fleeting. I suppose the writers want to impress upon the viewers that her letting a man die rattled her, but again, it just doesn't fully come off that way to me.
Anyways, another enjoyable episode that was better than the last. The show keeps getting better.
I like how they slowed down the pace and went with an even moodier tone moreso than they did with episode 3. Each episode has been improving and felt more purposefully structured than the last.
I was pleasantly surprised to see Doctor Strange's apprentice from the comics show up. I was definitely not expecting that.
If I had any major criticism of the show, it's that I feel the writers have been inconsistent with Riri's characterization. In the first two episodes she faced situations that were highly stressful, dire even, situations that could (and she knew would) have great jeopardy upon her future, all with great aplomb. This confidence began to falter in episode three, and continues its decline here in episode four. And to me it doesn't feel earned within the confines of the story itself.
There are still brief glimpses of that earlier Riri here and there, but they're fleeting. I suppose the writers want to impress upon the viewers that her letting a man die rattled her, but again, it just doesn't fully come off that way to me.
Anyways, another enjoyable episode that was better than the last. The show keeps getting better.
trikster40
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Finally finished the series. The last 2 episodes were much better than the first 3.
Still don't think Riri did much growing overall other than going from running to fighting. Still made lots of stupid decisions without thinking of the consequences, so not that different than when she started.
Loved Cohen as Mephisto. Crazy, perfect casting.
Still don't think Riri did much growing overall other than going from running to fighting. Still made lots of stupid decisions without thinking of the consequences, so not that different than when she started.
Doom85
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I haven't read either of her solo runs yet, but this show was apparently mostly based on her first run which was also very divisive. Her second run though, was much better received, so even if this doesn't get a second season, if they can incorporate elements of the second run into any of her future appearances that will probably help the character's reception.
This show is so fucking bipolar! Like at least if it was trash I could say it's trash and that's it but the last episodes run rings around the first batch. I'm almost annoyed at how there's some really good stuff here, mainly by finally having Mephisto enter the MCU and motherfucking Sacha Baron Cohen playing him, that is such good casting and he just oozes charm in the role and the bittersweet ending of him actually winning? Zelma and the witch/wizard/magic stuff was also a lot fucking better and more interesting than the fucking Saints Row Reboot heist gang in the first half.
Is Riri supposed to be autistic or something cause bitch, you're a genius but you're making stupid choices, the first half of this series is pretty damn bad, terrible even, with that woke heist gang thing but once they were sidelined and the other elements were introduced it actually became decent in most parts to pretty damn good with the Mephisto scenes. I'm not sure how they could've done this because it clearly does imply that Ririr IS a bad guy at the start for working with that crew, it's like we HAD to suffer the shit stuff to get the good scraps.
Music was on point though, some real jams in this.
Mother fucking Mephisto! Sacha Baron Cohen! That just works! And yet people have to endure the scooby LGBT+ gang to get to it but once they get sided the quality jumps up soo much that even Hoods story was like damn, I can see his point.
Is Riri supposed to be autistic or something cause bitch, you're a genius but you're making stupid choices, the first half of this series is pretty damn bad, terrible even, with that woke heist gang thing but once they were sidelined and the other elements were introduced it actually became decent in most parts to pretty damn good with the Mephisto scenes. I'm not sure how they could've done this because it clearly does imply that Ririr IS a bad guy at the start for working with that crew, it's like we HAD to suffer the shit stuff to get the good scraps.
Music was on point though, some real jams in this.
Mother fucking Mephisto! Sacha Baron Cohen! That just works! And yet people have to endure the scooby LGBT+ gang to get to it but once they get sided the quality jumps up soo much that even Hoods story was like damn, I can see his point.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
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I thought the show was OK, and what I mean by OK was mostly boring. Other than liking the action scenes, I found Riri and her merry band of LQTB criminals to be boring as hell. Slug is just gross lol. And I Hate HATE how the show opened up with that cringey ass video of Riri and her friend. That was terrible
I was surprised to see Zelma Stanton since I just finished reading Strange Academy Series a few weeks ago. She's a side character in Strange Academy. As for the actress herself, I thought she was OK. But she did a good job acting and actually those scenes were very interesting to me since they dropped even more lore into the MCU magic side of things like Dormumu etc. I actually liked those scenes weirdly enough. Personally I'm not a fan of the way she looks in the MCU, but in the comics, she looks way better. But I hope this means we get a MCU version of Strange Academy in the future, that's one of my favorite comic series
It was nice to see Chicago, I live in a suburb of Chicago not in the city itself so I recognized a couple of the areas
The CGI was actually good which was a shock
I liked young Han Solo and his interactions with Riri
Now the final episode was fantastic, I'm really happy they finally introduced Mephisto. It's just funny how they introduced him using this show, when it should have been with either Spider-Man or Doctor Strange. If anything I can see MCU adapting Damnation which is one of my favorite Events from the comics
Since Marvel Studios knows of the negative reception to Ironheart, I think this is a good way to eventually write her out of the MCU since the show itself didn't do too well
I didn't like the show but that thumbnail makes that youtuber look as narcissistic as Riri
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SILKYSMOOTH30FPS
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I just can't see Mephisto as Sasha and not think of Bruno. It's just impossible.
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I honestly think this would've been better if they took an axe to the first part, reduced the heist gang to just to be normal mercs and streamlined this into being a 2 1/2 hour Disney+ Movie instead because all the actual important stuff and worthwhile stuff is in the back end. If it was laser focused on Hoods/Stane and then do the Mephisto reveal at the end then this would've gone down a lot better. I mean yeah some people would still complain but then for those of us who watched it we'd at least get to have it in a more enjoyable form.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
I had a lot of issues with the show, which I knew I was going to have going into the show. And the biggest issue was the dialogue, the dialogue was all over the place. I think that Sachan Baron Cohan really saved the show for me. But it was only one episode and the reason why I gave the show a C Grade instead of a D Grade is because of him. He's a perfect cast and is a Thanos Level Threat. And yeah it should have been a Disney Plus movie. Just make the heist gang into normal looking dudes who look like they can fight instead of the freak shows we ended up getting. I was really turned off with them and I hope Marvel Studios isn't stupid enough to include them in future projects. Just focusing on Hood/Stane/Mephisto is what they should have done.
I always found Iron Man and Ironheart to be boring characters. When it comes to comics and the MCU, I prefer Doctor Strange and Captain America. So when it was annouced that Ironheart was going to be a thing, I kind of knew that I wouldn't like the show. Even with Iron Man in the MCU, his only great single entry is the first one, he works better with other heroes like Captain America. Which is one of the reasons why I love Civil War so much
And with Zelma showing up, it kind of hints at Strange Academy being a possible future MCU show or movie. I doubt we will get it but I would love if we get an MCU Strange Academy. I'm not really not happy with how they adapted Zelma, she didn't go into any cringe worthy rants thankfully and funny enough, I loved those parts since they are going into the magical side of the MCU which I have loved so far
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Lukaku's First Touch
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I really like Sasha, but I really can't see his face without thinking of Aladeen, Borat , Bruno , Ali G, etc... he's supposed to be serious but I can't take it seriously.
I was actually hating that fake American accent he had in his first scene but the next scene with him and Hood where he drops it was brilliant, and for the kind of character Mephisto is, he's playing a blinder so far, I just hope this isn't the last we see of him cause shit, he's got a chance at being a really good villain here and I know Cohen can lean into it and go full ham which will put him leagues ahead of most MCU villains.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
If Marvel Studios was smart they would make him the Big Bad after Phase 6 but unfortunately they haven't been making smart decisions for the last five years
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