DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
The early review bombing was cringe
He didn't? So how did Sam have that base of operations of his in his movie?the fact that Tony never paid the Avengers for hours worked is messed up. Sam also had to beg for scraps.
Which movie was this? If it was released already, then yeah, it's hard to imagine some context that would have made that understandable. If it was a preview or comments about a movie he went on to watch later, that would be more understandable.I barely took Drinker seriously in the first place, but I completely stopped once he posted a review video, started it by saying "I didn't watch the movie", and proceeded to review what he felt the movie was like in his mind.
If people want to follow certain creators, I hope they can at least spot the ones who are phoning it in for a check at this point.
He didn't? So how did Sam have that base of operations of his in his movie?
I see. I was working on the assumption that Sam was working with the goverment, not for the government. Actually now that I think about it why do the Avengers need to be reformed? Did Pepper just cut off the funding?It was provided by the government. Sam was being paid by the US government at that point in time.
Apologies, it was a show, not a movie.Which movie was this? If it was released already, then yeah, it's hard to imagine some context that would have made that understandable. If it was a preview or comments about a movie he went on to watch later, that would be more understandable.
I see. I was working on the assumption that Sam was working with the goverment, not for the government. Actually now that I think about it why do the Avengers need to be reformed? Did Pepper just cut off the funding?
The avengers never got back together... After Endgame. Tony funded them ... I think HQ had its own power source so Steve and the others could stay and work from there. Pepper wasn't actively funding anything
It was implied in Falcon and the Winter Soldier that the Stark funding had stopped. It's why Sam and his family were struggling with funds during that time.I see. I was working on the assumption that Sam was working with the goverment, not for the government. Actually now that I think about it why do the Avengers need to be reformed? Did Pepper just cut off the funding?
The show really does everything to make you dislike the main character. And then this AI in her suit doesn't work at all and don't even get me started on the gang.
Imagine if the show was her fixing her suit in the first episode and then use it to solve crime and do cool shit. It could have been solid if they played it straight. She could have gone after gangs and whatever in her community, actually doing good.
Using her brains to outsmart everyone, making crazy gadgets.
There's a difference between characters that start off bad/flawed and characters that are just unlikable.
Tony/Thor/Scott stared off 'bad' but still likeable because the way they portrayed their traits was entertaining.
You can't have a character where they start off their introduction kicking puppies and everyone hates them and go 'Nono, your suppose to dislike them, there's their character arc'
No one likes a character that whines and plays victim, and their solution they come with is to get involved in killing and stealing from other people. And their character arc is that they whine and self victims bit less.
I don't think any of these examples fit in this situation.-Tony in his origin realized he failed to see how his weapons were falling into the hands of the terrorists he was supposed to be providing protection against, and had to change his ways
-Thor's arrogant actions nearly escalated into a war that would have cost two realms untold lives, and he has to be sent to Earth to learn some humility
-the Guardians of the Galaxy are a bunch of directionless criminals before they meet and become a team
-Scott Lang was in jail for committing an unarmed robbery despite knowing it could jeopardize his relationship with his daughter
-Stephen Strange was full of himself and he drove recklessly (which could have potentially cost another person(s) their life) and paid the ultimate price for it and had to rebuild himself as a person
While it doesn't apply to all Marvel heroes, plenty get started off doing rough things. The show still has half its episodes left, we shouldn't be acting like it's already over. Even if the show does decide to side with a stance she was justified given the companies she stole from (but that's unlikely, as Riri herself has questioned multiple times if these heists are justified, and again, Anthony Ramos' character is blatantly shown in a sinister light in the trailer, I don't know why people think the show will agree with him), but even if it does? Matt Murdock continued to be Daredevil even after people he knew found out and called him out on it. The Punisher's very concept in terms of his actions has him completely ignore due process and various rights. Jessica Jones frequently does minor illegal things to fulfill her cases snd such. This is hardly new territory for certain Marvel heroes.
I don't think any of these examples fit in this situation.
She refuses to work to make money for her suit, so she joins a gang that explains to her, in detail, what they do. During the heists, they murder guards, just normal working class guards, she don't give a shit and celebrates by throwing money around.
During the second heist, she tries to cut a piece of cloak while hood murders a whole group of people. And she still helps them after that.
The dumb thing about Ironheart stealing shit is brought up by streamers who grilled the show. If she's got connections to Wakanda people who are loaded and know tech, why not just ask them for some money and gear to help out.
Ironheart cant ask or network around?Because she mainly knew Shuri and Okoye from the events of that movie. M'Baku presumably is current ruler based on the ending of the movie, and he had no real interaction with Riri. Shuri is still Black Panther, but if she's no longer the ruler, she's likely not authorized to just send out the massive amount of money it would take to fund the building of a fully functioning power armor suit. And Okoye definitely wouldn't have that sort of political pull.
Ironheart cant ask or network around?
There's no point, the mental gymnastics are strong with these two.Ironheart cant ask or network around?
There's no point, the mental gymnastics are strong with these two.
Sure bud, sure. Keep going with your mental gymnastics and your gifs if it makes you feel better.I'm sorry that I accurately remember the events of prior MCU entries.
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In other news, I especially loved her stupid quote, Tony Stark wouldn't of been Tony Stark if he wasn't a billionaire lol... Girl he made his suit in a cave with basically nothing and bailed out in it, he became a billionaire because he was Tony Stark. How fucking dumb can you be, FUCK THE RICH, though!
What a sad show
Again with the mental gymnastics and useless gif, it's all you can do really?Except, actually those "scraps" were provided by the Ten Rings terrorists (in fact, Tony kept requesting they bring in additional materials), and the usage of the arc reactor was based on an idea from Yinsen, not Tony, and that "suit" lasted for a very short period of time and wasn't practical to last beyond that short fight snd flight (and sure enough, it's toast by the end of that short period), so comparing it to what Riri is trying to make, you know, a power armor suit that will last long term, is extremely ridiculous. The comparable suit that Tony makes is AFTER he returns home and has full access to his wealth and resources.
And no, his father Howard was a billionaire. Tony inherited that money which helped him afford all his projects.
Again, it helps to pay attention when watching these films.
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Again with the mental gymnastics and useless gif, it's all you can do really?
Dude seriously, just read the very long and completely meaningless text you just wrote about what I've said about the suit. It means absolutely nothing lol, Stark still made it in a cave out of absolutely nothing.
We were blessed to have Manabyte kept out of these threads, I don't need someone else to replace him, off to ignore lol
Yes, she could easily land a job in her teens and make millions. The shit she made in Wakanda Forever would make her the most coveted inventor on the planet.She refuses to work for money to make a POWER ARMOR suit?
Ah yes, lots of people in their late teens/early 20's can just instantly afford the materials to make an IRON MAN-level suit with the sort of job they can get.
Like, dude, do you think Tony's entire Iron Legion army cost him only like $200,00 or something? Come on now.
And she flat out says she won't kill people when she joins, and she clearly questions working with them as the show progresses. Do you honestly not see it's going to end with her versus Robbins?
Of course, you should probably read up on U.S. law, because these fictional companies you're defending against Riri and her team are likely breaking laws by having security systems designed to kill intruders (not to mention some of them seem like potential lawsuits if they malfunction and causes deaths of their own security force). So those "innocent" security guards aren't so innocent, at least from a legal standpoint (and if you feel, regardless of the law, that lethal force is always justified against intruders, okay, but the show doesn't have to agree with your moral stance, the same way the Daredevil or Punisher series doesn't have to agree with some people's moral stances with their various ways they deploy vigilantism even if it breaks various laws and violates certain rights).
And again, Thor essentially illegally entered a foreign nation and began intensely attacking people at the start of his first movie. How many of those people were just "innocent guards" and had nothing to do with the attempted theft in Asgard prior to that? So why is Thor allowed to break laws and kill potentially innocent people before he starts to become wiser and more heroic, but Riri isn't (and she hasn't directly killed an innocent person yet, so Thor is actually worse here)?
Yes, she could easily land a job in her teens and make millions. The shit she made in Wakanda Forever would make her the most coveted inventor on the planet
Instead, she slapped the suit together in her kitchen in a few days, without manufactoring tools, by using the local powergrid and putting some wires on her head.
She says she won't kill people, but are ok with them killing people? she joins a murder gang when she never needed to.
There are nothing indicating these companies are super illegal and all the guards are corrupt. The only justification is we get is two lines of dialogue from the gang about their deeds, and Riri buys into it on the spot after 3 seconds of consideration.
Your Thor comparison is asinine, it's not remotely the same situation. And I have never seen him join petty criminals that steals and kills, take peoples money, and celebrate the killing and stealing.
If she had any morals and was a hero, she would have stopped helping them after the first heist. Or even better, not stolen and cheated at uni. She makes excuses and lies.
Of course she is gonna face Parker, but she should have done that ages ago, and she probably won't take out the gang or go to jail for her bullshit.
I'm not talking about her suit, I am talking about her skillset being the most coveted skillset in any tech company.The suit Shuri didn't let her take with her? The suit made specifically with Wakandan technology and resources? I'm going to take a guess she can't do shit with that suit.
If you're referring to her first suit, that one took her years to make, she flat out called it her "life's work", and it was woefully incomplete, with parts of her body exposed and so forth. Because she only had access to so much money and resources.
And? You're not providing any criticism here, you're just describing events.
How was she supposed to know it was a "murder gang" when she accepted the offer? Also, how many times does she have to question their methods in the show before you notice?
Well, as I already stated above, it's generally illegal to have a security system in place designed to kill intruders, and unless the guards are somehow clueless about the security system of all things, that proves they're not exactly innocent. Also, the claims Ribbons are making would be pretty easy to verify, so it's not like it would take Riri long to fact check them.
Uh, NO, you're not dismissing that one so easily as you clearly don't remember the first Thor movie. A handful of Frost Giants infiltrate Asgard to steal the Casket. After they're dealt with, Thor ignores his father's, you know, the KING, command on how they'll handle the situation, and decides to infiltrate the Frost Giants' planet and confront their ruler about it. Upon getting caught, he happily starts a fight.
Thor does all this despite:
-not knowing if the ruler actually was aware or approved of the attempted heist of the Casket
-how many Frost Giants in all knew about the heist, and how many would support it. Since, you know, it's an ENTIRE planet of them
Despite this lack of information, Thor, with a grin on his face, nearly starts a war between the two realms which would cost countless lives between both of them. Even the Frost Giants' leader doesn't want an all out war between the two realms as he knows it's too costly. Odin, likewise, is absolutely furious with Thor's arrogance and stupidity that could have cost countless people of two WORLDS their lives with his impulsive and shortsighted actions.
That is what happened in the first Thor movie. You can't just try to dismiss and ignore that. I'm not saying Thor doesn't earn his redemption, he basically sacrifices himself in the first movie's climax against the Destroyer, but regardless, his actions in the opening act of the film are what they are.
So it's okay for the US government to steal her vibranium detector she invented, which they flat out did in Wakanda Forever, but she's out of line for robbing companies with insurance policies to help cover the damage?
How can you claim this? After trying to kill her, she's already been forced to leave John to die, so that's one down. And why are you assuming she won't face the gang? If you're implying some may help her fight Robbins, okay, how is that a bad thing?
How many other MCU characters never did jail for their "bullshit"? Thor got expelled to Earth for like two days. Tony and Bruce got in over their heads and led to the creation of Ultron who killed thousands of people, and Tony merely got some criticism from people in Civil War and Bruce got to hide inside the Hulk for a few years and then become a celebrity on Earth in Endgame. The Guardians did like one night in jail for their crimes and then get instantly pardoned for their heroic actions, and especially Nebula, who willingly participated with Ronan in his genocidal actions, gets to join the heroes in later films and never does jail time of any kind. Matt Murdock, Jessica Jones, and especially Frank Castle break all sorts of laws and violate rights in their actions.
Are you as equally critical of all of the above for not doing jail time for their illegal actions?
Does Jack Reacher ever actually commit a crime? I've only read one book and watched the movies/tv show but he always seems to skirt the line of actual criminal activity versus "Aggressively applied self defense" or police-like activity.Edit: side note, I noticed online that the very common storytelling theme of a genuinely good person swerving off the track in life into crime and other unscrupulous activities due to the lots they were dealt in life, and / or just making poor decisions as a youth for a variety of factors, is being lost on many viewers. I don't think it was an accident that they placed this story in inner city Chicago, for example, where many youths could relate to her story.
There's been plenty of examples in literature, film, and television, but my favorite in film is probably Good Will Hunting. For recent genre fiction and television, probably Jack Reacher. Literature? Hmm, maybe Mr. Rochester in Jane Eyre.
Holy shit man cool down.
She can make virtually anything. Any company would want her. She never needed to do crime, she did it because she wanted everything right now, instead of working for it.
Questioning their methods? they told her outright what they were doing. She knew they likely killed the Rampage guy, she learned they killed people on the first heist, and she still worked with them. She knew exactly what was going on pretty quickly.
Your whole guard theory is a fantasy, there is nothing to indicate they were anyone bad. Riri didn't fact check anything, she wanted quick cash and looks the other way.
Robbing anyone for insurancy policies is trash. If she has an issue with the US government about anything they took, she would make that clear, which she never mentions. You are making things up because you are trying to justify her actions.
Thor fighting frost giants? this has to be the worst comparison you could have picked.
There are probably many marvel characters that went too far and should possibly be in jail. But I can never think of a hero that joined criminals that kill for money, and celebrates with them by throwing money around, waiting for the next heist to steal more money and kill more people. Add all the other stealing and fraud shit she did, and the fact she was already set and never needed to do this, and you get a repugnant and crusty bitch that no one wants to succeed.
If Loki had a 5~6 hour show detailing his killing of 80 people in two days, audiences probably wouldn't be as willing to stick around for his redemption at the end either. It all comes down to the delivery. Ironheart's story sounds pretty standard, but a lot of people don't seem to like the wrapping. These comparisons mean nothing if you don't consider the full context.So explain to me why all these characters deserve a chance at redemption, or at least in your eyes aren't a "repugnant and crusty bitch", but Riri Williams doesn't, no matter what she does, apparently?
If Loki had a 5~6 hour show detailing his killing of 80 people in two days, audiences probably wouldn't be as willing to stick around for his redemption at the end either.
Wait, they're not the same person?ManaByte and Doom85 would make the cutest couple.
I'm pretty sure they are the same personWait, they're not the same person?
I'm pretty sure they are the same person
With the other one liking all of their posts, would be quite the love triangle.ManaByte and Doom85 would make the cutest couple.
Yes, you're proving my point. Under the right circumstances, people can be made to like flawed characters like Loki or Stark or whoever else. Ironheart seemingly hasn't created those circumstances.The Loki show acknowledges his actions in Avengers 1 though, it's not like they forgot about it. And mind you, that 80 count was before the Battle of New York itself, which cost at least several thousand NYC citizens their lives.
This is a weird statement. Are you truly suggesting people shouldn't even try to explain their opinions? On a forum?The problem is people aren't content to simply say "I don't like Riri", they feel the need to list her actions as justification for doing so and trying to prove she is a worse person than any prior MCU lead character, which thus invites a fair comparison to prior MCU lead characters.
One could just as easily flip this argument around too. People explain why they dislike a thing and then the squad comes in to dissect their criticism from every possible angle to discredit it due to their own interests.And that I think is the issue. Because some people decide early on if they like a character or not, and if they don't, then they more closely examine the character at every angle possible and will criticize the character any way they can find an angle on, even if prior characters they like would face similar criticism if they applied this approach to them. People let their bias dictate their analysis yet still claim they're being impartial in analyzing characters of the whole series/franchise despite evidence suggesting they are not.
Isn't everyone biased?And mind you, it's not like being biased in this way makes one a bad person or anything, but it a growing issue that seems to be negatively impacting media literacy, and needs to be addressed more.
With the other one liking all of their posts, would be quite the love triangle.