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Is Arrested Development and 24 the two best shows on TV today?

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Hollywood

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For comedy and action? I think so. I don't understnad why FOX is always usually 4th in the rankings behind CBS, NBC, and ABC. Most of the TV I've watched my entire life has been FOX with classic shows like Married with Children, Simpsons, and crap like that. I think Bernie Mac and Malcolm are really funny too. All CBS has is CSI and Survivor spinoffs, ABC doesn't have shit besides Desperate Housewives and I have no idea what NBC has - it hasn't been popular since Friends and Seinfeld.

Go Arrested Development and 24! Fuck the rest of the crap on TV.
 

Archaix

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NBC has scrubs, which is the only comedy that can come close to approaching Arrested Development, and the Office which might turn out to be worthwhile. But that's about it, and that show is nowhere nearly as popular as it should be. NBC is in pretty poor shape on whole.

ABC has Lost, as was mentioned. Also, Boston Legal. And Eyes, the new show that premiered two weeks back, looks promising.

Fox was number 1 during prime time in the most recent sweeps, by the way(NBC was fourth, a fact which Conan O'Brien had fun repeating nonstop last week).
 

Hollywood

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Archaix said:
ABC has Lost, as was mentioned. Also, Boston Legal. And Eyes, the new show that premiered two weeks back, looks promising.

Yes Boston Legal kicks ass.

Denny Crane. :lol

Seriously I have just broadcast TV so I've seen practically every show on each network which leads me to believe I watch a lot of TV, when its just I don't have many options and I'll watch one show and then wont tune in to it for another 3 weeks, then watch it again. 24 is the only show I make absolutely sure I watch every single week, and I've been watch Arrested more frenquently lately and its cracking me up.
 
I dunno, I think Lost places ahead of 24, but just barely. And that's considering 24 is in it's 4th season, whereas Lost is fresh and hasn't even finished it's first yet, so big accolades to 24 there. They're the top 3 by far in my books.
 

calder

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Arrested Development is the only show I watch on TV now except for random documentaries and history shows. Oh, and I guess I've started watching Bromwell High now that I've seen every eps of Family Guy and Futurama that Cartoon Network has to over 20 times but I think that's in syndication or something.

EDIT: totally forgot about Battlestar Galactica - yeah after the S1 ending I can not wait for that to air again. I guess since I couldn't wait for it to air in NA here and I d/led the eps I wasn't really associating it with TV. Is it going to air in the UK first again with the same big gap between air dates in NA? Because I just can't wait that long for something I know I can d/l in an hour and watch commercial free... ;\
 

MmmBeef

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Does cable count? Since Battlestar Galactica is a show my wife and I plan our Friday evenings around. Can't wait for July and the next season.

In retrospect, the last time a show affected my schedule was for another science fiction show on Friday night. And like BSG, Firefly was also more character and story driven then other shows of its ilk. September and Serenity can't come soon enough in my opinion.

As for broadcast shows, Lost is great but I hope they start answering more questions. I'm really surprised about how enjoyable Eyes is. Great stuff.
 

FoneBone

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They isn't.

24 is still good, as is what I've seen of Arrested Development (need to check out more of that...) But Lost>>>>24. IMO, of course.
 
24 is great, in my top three, but it's definitely below The Shield and The Sopranos in my mind.

Arrested Development never clicked for me over the 3-4 episodes I saw, so I have no comment...

edit: Forgot to mention House, which seems to have great potential. I saw yesterday's episode, and couple before, and it's definitely well written and acted (Hugh Laurie is outstanding). I'm going to start watching it regularly.
 
AD is probably my favorite show on television. Hard to decide between AD and CYE. But Gob is definitely my favorite character ever.

I liked the first season of 24, when it was new, but I haven't been able to get into it this season.

Besides AD and CYE all I really watch are cartoons, movie channels, History channel, and poker. I miss football.
 

Socreges

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Lost, 24, and Arrested Development are by far my favourite shows on television right now. (not considering TDS)

Lost is terrific. I love the mystery behind it all, but it's also hurt the show a bit for me as well. The formula is constantly raising questions and rarely answering any. So, I probably prefer 24.
 

Hollywood

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Whatever happened to that Steven King hospital show ... um .. can't think of what its called right now I think it was on ABC. Oh wait .. Kingdom Hospital or something right? I saw the first one and it was creepy but I guess ratings dropped it off the air last year. I don't know if House is anything like that.
 

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I don't know why people like House so much. The plot is basically the same every week. But someone with a different injury/disease, and someone new that needs to be cracked by this cynical doctor. I mean... House is an interesting enough character, and the writing is pretty good. But I feel like I've seen every episode before it has even aired.
 

Angst

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I love L-Word. And no I'm not gay, but I find it quite a good show. Great acting, good dialogues and great story.

Lost and Desperate Housewives are really awesome as well.

Don't know what network it's on. For me it's on torrent... :)
 

Coen

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I'm in Holland and Lost has aired only five episodes. It intrigues me, but the sory evolves extremely slow. Does it pick up or does it stay this way?
 

Angst

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It evolves quite slow. The thing is, you start to focus on the characters and their backstory. But I agree, I'm on ep 20 now and so far we still don't know anything
about the monster or what the island really is
 

olimario

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LOST
Is just so great on so many levels. The backstories rock, the main story rocks, and all of the supernatural stuff going on keeps me intrigued. Such a brilliant show.

DESPERATE HOUSWIVES
Some really funny moments, some really great characters, and one hell of an underlying story. Sure the show focuses a lot on side stories, but the main one is just so damnded good and keeps getting better.


Arrested Development is hillarious.
So is Boston Legal.
Never clicked with 24.
 

Smidget

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Brian Fellows said:
I'll take The Wire, Deadwood, or Carnivale over 24 anyday.....but thats not TV its HBO!

HBO reigns over network TV but you forgot my favorite 2, The Sopranos and Six Feet Under (which the final season starts June 6th? AHHH!). HBO tv shows are like 1 hour 5 star movies every week :)
 

AssMan

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FX are the true innovators with The Shield, Nip Tuck, and Rescue Me. Over There will look like a show that's different than other war shows/movies.


24 is great. Just got done watching the first season on dvd, but season 4 seems a bit dissappointing. The Shield S4>>>>>>>>>>>>>24 S4.
 

Che

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Angst said:
I love L-Word. And no I'm not gay, but I find it quite a good show. Great acting, good dialogues and great story.

The l word was maybe my favorite show last season. This year I don't know it looks different - too mainstream- not as good as it used to be.
 

Bob White

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Fox > FX > ABC > The other big networks

Why? Two words. FOX SUNDAYS.

king of the hill
malcom
simpsons
ad

And coming soon...
family guy
american dad

NOTHING beats fox sundays. Been like that for years now.
 
I'd have to go with Lost as the best show on TV as well. Great stuff. You know that the season finale is going to make it difficult to go through the summer. And anyone who hasn't been watching Lost had better catch up over the summer re-runs, because it's worth getting into.

Other shows that deserve to be on the "Best of List": 24, AD, Battlestar Galactica, which was really hitting it's stride when the season finale hit. MI-5 (Spooks in the UK) which is on A&E and is some of the smartest television you'll find anywhere. Just awesome stuff. Alias is still good, but not nearly what it was in Season 1 and 2. Desperate Housewives is suprisingly a lot more fun and interesting then I expected as well. House is excellent. Gotta love the good docotor. :)

Some on the cusp shows: Eyes has been great so far, and Grey's Anatomy was just added to the Tivo schedule as well. My girlfriend loves Medium, but I find it just kinda OK, and Numbers isn't bad although they take liberties with some of the math/science at times. Can't wait to see what HBO's Rome series is going to be like too.

Edit: Forgot about Scrubs. It should definetly be added to my list. I really love that show.
 

MIMIC

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I'm watching the first episode of "Lost"

Man: "Hey! What's your name?"
Guy: "Jack!"

:lol This guy better not be the main character. :)


:lol I just saw that guy with the orange in his mouth. Whose avatar is that?
 

ohamsie

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MIMIC said:
I'm watching the first episode of "Lost"

Man: "Hey! What's your name?"
Guy: "Jack!"

:lol This guy better not be the main character. :)


:lol I just saw that guy with the orange in his mouth. Whose avatar is that?


Man, you were talking shit and you hadn't even seen Lost? I wasn't dissing on 24 or arrested development, I love them both as I've said, so no harm no foul.

Anyways, Lost is an ensemble cast, which means the characters rotate in and out of the focus of the show.

I think you will like it, especially when you get to Locke's first episode.
 

MIMIC

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OK, I just finished watching the first episode.

And uh....24's first ep >> Lost's first ep. Doesn't exactly make me anticipate the next episode (although it's not a bad show).

Maybe it's too early...I'mma still watch the rest of the season, though.
 

Tabris

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Arrested Development is indeed the best comedy on tv right now. Next up would be Scrubs.

Fox sucks though. They usually premiere amazing shows, but then put them on bad times and do everything in their power to make sure that show doesn't have a chance.
 
OG_Original Gamer said:
Nobody likes Alias, last season was better than this season though.

I use to really love Alias, but in an attempt to capture a larger, more mainstream audience, the show has been dumbed down a lot over the past two seasons. They barely mention the Rembaldi Prophecy/Artifacts any more, and the plots have become a lot more basic. Still a decent show, and I still watch it every week, but now it usually sits around on the Tivo until I get around to watching it rather then getting to it ASAP.

For some much better Secret Agent Action, check ou MI-5, the show I mentioned in the post above. It's an excellent, under appreciated show that has really flown under the radar due to it being on A&E. It's a British series, called Spooks across the pond, that is far too intelligent for a mainstream audience. Excellent stuff, very hard hitting, current in it's storylines, and fast moving. Hell, in this season alone, we've had the three main characters bounced out of the service, exiled to Chile, or simply shot in the head by a terrorist. Not many shows do that. :)
 

AssMan

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I couldn't believe that black dude got capped. :lol I wonder why they don't show reruns anymore? I just got into MI-5.
 

Memles

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OG_Original Gamer said:
Nobody likes Alias, last season was better than this season though.

Wrongo. This season has been generally better, and is really starting to get interesting. It took it awhile, but it's back into a very interesting groove.

You seem to believe that your love of Fox Sitcoms and 24 means that it should be the highest rated network on television. There are various reasons why this is not the case, outside of the anamolies that are American Idol and most shows which procede from American Idol.

1. Fox has no franchises other than Idol.
It's true; they've got no long-standing drama series to fall back on.

2. Sitcoms do not get big ratings nowadays.
In a television society built on the procedural crime drama and reality television, Fox has only sitcoms to fall back on, and generally mismanages a bulk of them. Only 24 is a big successful Drama hit for them, and even its ratings are never anything super-spectacular.

3. The World Series
It boosts their ratings, but it also means their shows launch 1-2 months late, which gives them less momentum throughout the year.

Now, let's see what the other networks have.

NBC
Law and Order (x4)
The Apprentice
ER
Joey
Will and Grace
West Wing

ABC
Lost (How the hell did you not mention Lost)
Desperate Housewives
Alias (It's ratings dictate its placement)
Grey's Anatomy
Boston Legal
NYPD Blue (For the first half of the season)
Extreme Makeover: Home Edition

CBS
CSI (x3)
The Amazing Race
Survivor
Without a Trace
60 Minutes
Everybody Loves Raymond
Two and a Half Men

I know that you seem to care not about popularity and just think what you like is the best (See: Hogan), but I think that Fox hasn't had a good primetime lineup in years, and really is 4th best. They have NOTHING new coming out of this season outside of House. They've got the one big hit, and it's only a hit because of Idol; it was ignored at the beginning of the season. Fox needs to get its act in gear.
 
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