Two main characters can come off as pretty perverted at times, but it's a good recommendation.
Is Mainstream Hatred Of Anime Growing?
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the Poster is trolling. ok?
Pretty perverted? The main character gets addicted to child pornography, LOL.
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*calling madp*
I was trying to be subtle DAMMIT!
umm i'll have you know i clean my MECHANICAL keyboard once a month and
Femmeworth
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Eh, he would be better off reading the manga. The women are less developed in the anime adaptation and it's more sexist to a degree. If icarus was around she would bring up her issues with the ending in particular.
Where is icarus anyway?
Femmeworth
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I don't talk to her outside of the forum but I presume her absence is work related.
On that topic, people have kids before going off to war or on long business trips and such. Its not uncommon.
If anything it was likely meant to represent them being a real couple finally and a symbol of their love.
Holy Order Sol
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Mushi-shi sounds like a ticket for you, if you're okay with setting in a more primitive Japan (set in an around 1870, with technology of the 19th century but with Japan as still a country closed to foreign exchange). First season was really quite special and the second season is half way done, will pick up again soon. Dub is strong and available in the states (I was gifted the first season by a GAFfer during last year's GAF Secret Santa).
Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo is a sci-fi anime retelling of the classic novel. While it fails a few minor details, like setting, the art style and source material alone makes it worth the watch.
Suzushiiro
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Welcome to @NeoGAFShitPosts. I sincerely hope you're banned for this, because holy fuck you are an asshole.
(EDIT: Unless you're not serious, in which case: well played)
(EDIT2: Yeah, apologies for falling for the troll.)
It's not really misogyny, per se, but it's a pretty dick move, and
definitely places a lot of burden on the woman to take care of/raise the kids by themselves. When you realize that Hachimaki is risking his life to go off chasing his dreams, while Tanabe is relegated to staying at home waiting for his return like a dutiful wife, well... It sends a bad message, one that's particularly rooted in traditional gender roles.
Also spoil that other stuff because blah blah blah, spoiler culture.
Crash Station
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Check that twitter again.
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That post was satire, as that twitter account very clearly pointed out.
Angelus Errare
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I don't hate anime, but I do hate weeaboos.
Suzushiiro
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Yeah, sorry, out of curiosity I looked up the guy's post history after the fact and realized he was joking.
Well played, madp.
Its not like she was the only female character in the series. Other characters had different fates.
Ai was that sort of character. It fit who she was to have that sort of ending. For some other women it wouldnt end the same. Just because one character fits the traditional role doesnt mean they all do!
Suzushiiro
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And in my defense... there are probably some people on GAF who legitimately agree with madp's post, judging by some threads on weeaboo games, especially ones with fanservice.
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bigboss370
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That is exactly why his post is so effective.
but for those of us in the know, it was hilarious.
its also a bit sad that a community filled to the brim with nerd types of every kind would so harshly judge their own.
Tertullian
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So is this like a specific meme, or mocking some other NeoGAF post, or something? If anyone ever explained it clearly, I missed it.
Lord Ghirahim
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That post about translating a book "in like a day". Amazing.
Crash Station
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Well yeah, that's why it's worth satirizing. madp is among the most tolerant people on the forum as far as other people's tastes are concerned. He's on the "art is just art" side of things like most of animegaf.
speculawyer
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Mainstream doesn't know what Anime is or gives a shit about it.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
There's truth here, but the twist is anime is alien from a western perspective. The fact that it is exotic can exaggerate both attraction and repulsion.
It's like what someone once said about why so many western middle schoolers love high school anime: because they're not Japanese, they can't "see the lies". They don't know what real Japanese high school is like. They don't have the same ingrained trauma from the bad parts that they do relating to their own culture. So the foreign material seems a lot more magical and fascinating.
Likewise, the unfamiliar visual language of Japanese media makes stuff like tired tropes far more visible. A western viewer may accept a hundred samey cop shows because those look familiar, "realistic", and are comfortable because of it. But a Japanese show with strange looking characters leaves the viewer lost, so the underlying storytelling is the only thing left to latch onto. Unless it's really, really great, it will probably draw instant criticism.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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I think it just has more to do w/ the fact there hasn't been a genuinely original and non-cliched anime to get big Western exposure in years.
Yeah, Attack on Titan's good, but ultimately predictable. Space Dandy's decent but not anything magical. And so on and so forth. I just started watching Knights of Sidonia and have been glacial moving into the rest of the episodes (I think I stopped on episode 3), and normally I really dig sci-fi anime and am a HUGE fan of Blame! but Sidonia is just really lacking by comparison. Meanwhile I just marathoned the back half of Season 5 of Breaking Bad literally yesterday.
I could actually maybe bullet-list a few of my complaints with a lot of modern-day anime actually:
Basically I get most of these come down to taste, but a lot of modern anime just doesn't seem as bold and "raw" anymore, for lack of a better word. Many of the stories feel too formulatic and predicating on the viewer's familiarity with eerily similar stories in the same genre. And that isn't to say there isn't good anime that doesn't come out anymore. Sidonia may be disappointing of what I've seen, but it's decent enough. Trigun:Badlands was actually very entertaining for me but a lot of that also has to do w/ my familiarity w/ the original series and mangas.
Dunno; if there's ever a new equivalent to the likes of Breaking Bad or The Wire as an anime, or Hellraiser or w/e as an anime, I'd be wholeheartedly on-board. Most of my itches are scratched w/ certain live-action dramas and slightly older anime/manga. And, surprisingly, some Western cartoons like Korra.
Yeah, Attack on Titan's good, but ultimately predictable. Space Dandy's decent but not anything magical. And so on and so forth. I just started watching Knights of Sidonia and have been glacial moving into the rest of the episodes (I think I stopped on episode 3), and normally I really dig sci-fi anime and am a HUGE fan of Blame! but Sidonia is just really lacking by comparison. Meanwhile I just marathoned the back half of Season 5 of Breaking Bad literally yesterday.
I could actually maybe bullet-list a few of my complaints with a lot of modern-day anime actually:
[*]Junior High/High School setting (was over that right after I finished high school)
[*]Moe-dom
[*]"Let's go" a recurring phrase in most shonen anime
[*]"It can't be helped" being another cliched recurring phrase
[*]Most horror anime going for the Ring-style of horror
[*]Super-modest (almost irritatingly so) "good guy" leads who are completely awkward around everyone, let alone girls
[*]Super-prettyboy/emo characters. Just can't relate that well with 'em.
[*]Boring soundtracks (not too heavy into orchestra or rock/metal, which is what 95% of anime OSTs are these days. What happened to the electronic music and hip-hop?)
[*]The "chosen one" and "prophecized child" cliches popping up (Naruto is literally one of the worst offenders here. Stopped reading it altogether)
[*]Most of the stories taking place in Tokyo (I get it, it's the New York of Japan but I'm massively put off by NYC (and L.A) being constant settings in American movies as well)
[*]Lack of minorities in significant leads (somewhat hilarious when the stories take place in Western locations that are actually quite ethnically diverse, too)
[*]Somewhat stiff, "unnatural" writing/dialog (this might be a tad unfair but it's not like animated features can't have fantastic writing. That's not necessarily a budget concern)
[*]Not enough hard scifi/cyberpunk/gritty (and I mean REALLY gritty; modern animation techniques sadly remove some of the grittiness from the process b/c of the nature of digital) anime. Sidonia? Too clean. Psycho Pass? Too clean. Both in terms of visuals and themes.
Basically I get most of these come down to taste, but a lot of modern anime just doesn't seem as bold and "raw" anymore, for lack of a better word. Many of the stories feel too formulatic and predicating on the viewer's familiarity with eerily similar stories in the same genre. And that isn't to say there isn't good anime that doesn't come out anymore. Sidonia may be disappointing of what I've seen, but it's decent enough. Trigun:Badlands was actually very entertaining for me but a lot of that also has to do w/ my familiarity w/ the original series and mangas.
Dunno; if there's ever a new equivalent to the likes of Breaking Bad or The Wire as an anime, or Hellraiser or w/e as an anime, I'd be wholeheartedly on-board. Most of my itches are scratched w/ certain live-action dramas and slightly older anime/manga. And, surprisingly, some Western cartoons like Korra.
Pretty much. What a terrible post.
"Why is there a teardrop on the head? Why the face change? Why did that character nosebleed? Why did that character sneeze? "
Have you watched "From the New World"?
Like most thing, everything is shit , and only a few things are worth your time. For every breaking bad you have show like the walking dead etc. Modern anime is no different ,every year I find atleast 10 things. that are worth my time.
Femmeworth
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Yes, but she is the most important woman in the series.
She preached the whole entire time about living for love and generally seemed the type to be happy in her eventual role.
she also happened to be pretty adorable.
hosannainexcelsis
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Without commenting on Planetes in particular, since I have neither seen nor read it, you don't have to constantly be breaking traditional gender roles to avoid sexism. There's nothing wrong with being a wife.
Femmeworth
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I can't really argue the finer points since I haven't watched the series in a long ass time.
That's not quite the issue being raised.
I think anime's popularity in the west has gone in peaks and troughs since roughly the late 80's, the most recent peak being the early 00's explosion during which the industry probably reached too far. The following "crash" combined with the subsequent global financial crisis kinda fucked up both the anime industry and Japan's video game industry. As a result, both have decided to double down on the very most hardcore fans with an increased focus on loli and fanservice anime, which is off-putting to pretty much anyone else. Loli and fanservice were always a thing in anime, at least since the 80's, but I feel like it's become a bigger part of the anime industry over the last few years, and it's repelling more westerners.
That industry waning also severely lessened the amount of broadcast anime which I think has given it less exposure. A whole generation of anime fans started out on Toonami when it exposed them to the likes of DBZ and Gundam. There's nothing putting anime like that on mainstream TV these days. Toonami's late Saturday night block, Funimation's streaming site, other localization producer sites, and Crunchyroll are great if you're already into anime, but it's not gonna cross the vision of someone new to it. Hulu has a ton of anime as well, but I don't know how often those shows might show up on the front page. Same goes for Netflix.
Provocative, mature anime like many of the greats from the 90's and 00's (Bebop, Ghost in the Shell, Trigun, etc.) are still being produced today, but they are probably harder to find. They also get less attention than the fanservice stuff these days. I can definitely admit I watch a lot less anime now than I did 10 years ago. When I look at the chart for the latest season of anime it's pretty much just a shitload of high school drama shows, many filled with fanservice, and maybe one other type of show I might be interested in. Right now I'm only watching the Buu Saga in Dragon Ball Kai, Space Dandy Season 2 on my DVR, and I'm going to check out what Zankyou no Terror is like. Luckily, over the last couple years a lot of the classics from the previous 20 years are finally being released on Blu-Ray in the west: The Ghibli movies, Tenchi, Cowboy Bebop, DBZ, Ghost in the Shell, Lain, basically the stuff that got current fans into anime.
I think the most major thing people forget about anime is how diverse it is. People often ask Yahtzee of Zero Punctuation what he thinks of anime (expecting he has views similar to Giant Bomb) and he always says in reply that you can't really like or hate *all* anime because it isn't really a genre, it's a medium.
That industry waning also severely lessened the amount of broadcast anime which I think has given it less exposure. A whole generation of anime fans started out on Toonami when it exposed them to the likes of DBZ and Gundam. There's nothing putting anime like that on mainstream TV these days. Toonami's late Saturday night block, Funimation's streaming site, other localization producer sites, and Crunchyroll are great if you're already into anime, but it's not gonna cross the vision of someone new to it. Hulu has a ton of anime as well, but I don't know how often those shows might show up on the front page. Same goes for Netflix.
Provocative, mature anime like many of the greats from the 90's and 00's (Bebop, Ghost in the Shell, Trigun, etc.) are still being produced today, but they are probably harder to find. They also get less attention than the fanservice stuff these days. I can definitely admit I watch a lot less anime now than I did 10 years ago. When I look at the chart for the latest season of anime it's pretty much just a shitload of high school drama shows, many filled with fanservice, and maybe one other type of show I might be interested in. Right now I'm only watching the Buu Saga in Dragon Ball Kai, Space Dandy Season 2 on my DVR, and I'm going to check out what Zankyou no Terror is like. Luckily, over the last couple years a lot of the classics from the previous 20 years are finally being released on Blu-Ray in the west: The Ghibli movies, Tenchi, Cowboy Bebop, DBZ, Ghost in the Shell, Lain, basically the stuff that got current fans into anime.
I think the most major thing people forget about anime is how diverse it is. People often ask Yahtzee of Zero Punctuation what he thinks of anime (expecting he has views similar to Giant Bomb) and he always says in reply that you can't really like or hate *all* anime because it isn't really a genre, it's a medium.
There are a lot of shows where females are clearly objectified but Planetes just never gave me that feeling at all.
Terareflection
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Shounen Hollywood is ugly at times and is still a teen idol show at the end of the day, but I think people who want something different from most anime should give it a try.
Don't let the promotional material fool you, though.
Don't let the promotional material fool you, though.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Good recommendations. I personally quite enjoyed NATHAT even if the
Hitler stuff was kind of obvious.
No, I can't say I have. How is it?
hosannainexcelsis
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It's more like a live-action show than "anime". And even though it's an idol show, it focuses on the mundane and unglamorous part of being an "idol" as well as developing believable human characters, so it's not really like a typical teen idol show.
Secret Fawful
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Now and Then, Here and There is really great but boy is it a rough watch.
Flowers of Evil is a show that takes perversion and paints it in a smarter, more introspective light in which the actions of the characters aren't looked on as good as they shouldn't be, and definitely not funny, but I feel it breaks too many of Stump's criteria to be anything he could stomach.
Flowers of Evil is a show that takes perversion and paints it in a smarter, more introspective light in which the actions of the characters aren't looked on as good as they shouldn't be, and definitely not funny, but I feel it breaks too many of Stump's criteria to be anything he could stomach.
Quite unique.
a very intricate story with a lot of characters in play.
Some haunting music and an overall very foreboding atmosphere of uneasiness. Also not a show children would appreciate (but not a fanservice show)
It does have some adult themes in it.
The Silver
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One thing I notice about myself is that whenever I start watching a whole lot of tv dramas,(the Breaking Bads and the The Shields, that stuff) I find it extremely hard to get back into watching anime. I get hypersensitive to tropes and the dialogue and pacing that I can't get through it.(Incidentally Legend of the Galactic Heroes actually did this to me regarding other anime)
It's happening to me right now, I was running through House of Cards and now Lost and I just can't sit through anime right now. Had to stop watching Jojo because the monster of the week formula was wearing down on me, Hunter x Hunter is the only thing I can still watch and even that gets hard to sit through.
It's happening to me right now, I was running through House of Cards and now Lost and I just can't sit through anime right now. Had to stop watching Jojo because the monster of the week formula was wearing down on me, Hunter x Hunter is the only thing I can still watch and even that gets hard to sit through.
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