Is Marijuana harmless?
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StormyTheRabbit
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Short Answer - Yes.
Long answer - Sorta.
Long answer - Sorta.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
no drug is "harmless"
Lost Fragment
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Depends on how you use it. If you let yourself become addicted to it, then it's far from harmless. But it's the same with lots of things. Alcohol, Internet, potato chips, etc.
But largely, yeah, it's a lot more harmless than the man wants you to think. Less harmless than alcohol or cigarettes, definitely.
But largely, yeah, it's a lot more harmless than the man wants you to think. Less harmless than alcohol or cigarettes, definitely.
StormyTheRabbit
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accident post. Sorreh.
Of course it's not harmless.
It has risks to do with excessive and sustained used just like a lot of things. The problem is that in zeal to have it tread as a drug on the same level as things that are just as bad, if not worse (cigarettes, alcohol), people are trying to say that it's literally harmless, which is stupid. Although, it's less harmless than listening to Bill Maher.
It has risks to do with excessive and sustained used just like a lot of things. The problem is that in zeal to have it tread as a drug on the same level as things that are just as bad, if not worse (cigarettes, alcohol), people are trying to say that it's literally harmless, which is stupid. Although, it's less harmless than listening to Bill Maher.
Marijuana is harmless in the right conditions, in the wrong one it's like any vice. The drug has a psychological effect that makes you think can become addicted, studies have show it's not physically addicting. Personally I'm going with that considering I can quit at the drop of dime, yet when it comes to one of my own siblings they seem to think they need it for anything to be fun.
There is an official thread for the subject.
There is an official thread for the subject.
legend166 said:
This.
Any time you are putting smoke into your lungs, it's bad for you.
I think one of the problems people have with marijuana vs alchohol or cigarettes is that if Jimmy is standing outside blazing in the middle of a crowd, other people can feel the effects from him smoking. If he drinks alchohol, nobody else gets even a little drunk without ingesting it.
fistfulofmetal
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It's pretty harmful to your reputation.
Buckethead
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pgtl_10 said:
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No way Jasper! That ain't trueeeee. But you know what's true, is your sister got some goddamn hot titties. She was droopin' them infront of me when I was watching NASCAR.
Shit watch your tounge boy, you know I got dibs on her already.
Tenacious-V
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Slurmer said:
:lol
Tyrone Slothrop
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marijuana kills
i had a cousin that got addicted to it and ended up going blind in one eye
i had a cousin that got addicted to it and ended up going blind in one eye
Buckethead
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pgtl_10 said:
Because alcohol has various uses. Not everyone buys it to drink. Some that do, don't abuse it.
When you smoke pot in contrast, you are instantly intoxicated/impaired. It's a legal issue.
Cigarettes can go to hell, but no reason to outlaw them. The fatcats would never let that happen anyway.
StormyTheRabbit
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Tyrone Slothrop said:
thats called being addicted to crack, having no cash, sucking dick for it, and take one to many loads in the eye.
AndersTheSwede
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Of course not.
It is a drug that can be abused just like any other.
But when compared to currently legal drugs like alcohol (which if you drink to much of it you... die) and tobacco (which if you smoke to much of it you... get cancer and die) it is pure and simply ridiculous that it is illegal.
It is a drug that can be abused just like any other.
But when compared to currently legal drugs like alcohol (which if you drink to much of it you... die) and tobacco (which if you smoke to much of it you... get cancer and die) it is pure and simply ridiculous that it is illegal.
BocoDragon
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1. Carcenogens. Inhaling any smoke is bad. So is living around car fumes.
2. It apparantly causes the dendrites in your brain to widen, making it less easily for signals to be transmitted between them. This causes memory loss.. Spaciness. This is not seriously debilitating, but it is a real effect. Heavy pot use can lead to airheadedness.. But I wouldn't call this a real disability.
3. It makes hard work difficult because of reason 2, and coupled with psycological addiction it potentially lessens your productivity.
In my opinion these are small risks, but they are reasons to smoke in modoration.. In the right times and in the right amounts. It's not completely harmless, but certainly less harmful than most propoganda would indicate over the past 100 years...
2. It apparantly causes the dendrites in your brain to widen, making it less easily for signals to be transmitted between them. This causes memory loss.. Spaciness. This is not seriously debilitating, but it is a real effect. Heavy pot use can lead to airheadedness.. But I wouldn't call this a real disability.
3. It makes hard work difficult because of reason 2, and coupled with psycological addiction it potentially lessens your productivity.
In my opinion these are small risks, but they are reasons to smoke in modoration.. In the right times and in the right amounts. It's not completely harmless, but certainly less harmful than most propoganda would indicate over the past 100 years...
It's not 'harmless', no.
People always say the fact that it is not that harmless as compared to currently legal drugs like cigarettes and alcohol as the reason it should be legalized.
The real reason it should be legalized is because the government should have no say what you put into your own body, whether it is harmful or not.
People always say the fact that it is not that harmless as compared to currently legal drugs like cigarettes and alcohol as the reason it should be legalized.
The real reason it should be legalized is because the government should have no say what you put into your own body, whether it is harmful or not.
No, it's not harmless.
Is the harm less than the pleasure it gives? That's a subjective answer.
I would say to anyone, considering doing any drugs to research it and make a mature decision about it. Not do it because your mates do or anything like that. Drugs can be very positive, and they can really suck.
Is the harm less than the pleasure it gives? That's a subjective answer.
I would say to anyone, considering doing any drugs to research it and make a mature decision about it. Not do it because your mates do or anything like that. Drugs can be very positive, and they can really suck.
half a moon
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Medical use and decriminalization yes(slowly happening), legalization no. Allowing people to hallucinate in public would be socially irresponsible IMO.
Also, as other said nothing is harmless. At the very least: inhaling smoke is never good(I know you use it other ways), it can make people really paranoid, and it changes your physical appearance.
Also, as other said nothing is harmless. At the very least: inhaling smoke is never good(I know you use it other ways), it can make people really paranoid, and it changes your physical appearance.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Amir0x said:
This.
It's the same reason that prostitution being illegal is stupid (though since that's illegal on state/local levels, it's much harder to effect).
AndersTheSwede
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Buckethead said:
What the fuck are you talking about? Sure some people use wine and beer for cooking, but are you seriously going to argue that the overwhelming majority don't buy alcohol to get buzzed/drunk?
And what does it matter that marijuana goes into effect faster the alcohol? How should that in any way effect its legal status? Driving intoxicated is driving intoxicated whether it took you a half hour of drinking or a few minutes of smoking.
madara said:
And you do realize that the reason it gets mixed up in gang warfare is because it is illegal right, and nothing to do with the drug itself?
Duane Cunningham
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I think there's a risk in exaggerating the harm of pot, because when kids find out, they'll think the warnings about say, meth, are bullshit too. The man shouldn't waste his credibility on pot.
Karma Kramer
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Weed is harmless considering the other things that our american culture accepts as harmless.
AndersTheSwede
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Amir0x said:
I agree to a certain extent, but frankly I couldn't reasonably argue for the legalization of Heroin along these lines.
gokieks said:
You'll have to excuse me if I think you're talking about something you have no idea about.
Marijuana is less physically addictive than Caffeine. Fact.
Tyrone Slothrop
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in all seriousness the only bad thing about pot is you get lazy. and/or you may get wonky in the head from day to day if you're puffing non-stop.
it's pretty safe but don't assume you can just blaze all the time
it's pretty safe but don't assume you can just blaze all the time
marvelharvey
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Even chocolate is harmful, it's a very mild poison, you'll need to eat 22lbs for it to kill you though. That'll take a serious amount of effort to consume.
Ninja Scooter
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Slurmer said:
:lol "I think we're dead."
half a moon said:
Hallucinate in public? Like how public intoxication is illegal in some states?
Nobody ever says drug should be unleashed to similarly irresponsible laws. They, like alcohol or any other powerful substance, should be controlled by a series of laws that if broken result in penalties.
If you drive while tripping on acid, fuck yo couch and go to jail.
If you drop acid in the comfort of your home, fuck you government go away.
pgtl_10 said:
I wouldn't say it's completely harmless.
But what I think what Bill Maher was trying to get across is that the irony in the outrage towards weed/Phelps is in part from Kelogg's cereal, and that most cereal is far more unhealthy than occasionally smoking weed. I would agree with that much (obesity, insulin resistance, diabetes, etc etc).
I really don't buy this one. I don't smoke pot at all and I have a terrible memory, while a friend of mine smokes once a week roughly (for at least a decade) and his memory remains near photographic. He's a bit spacy when he's smoking, but that's the only way I can tell since he's no different otherwise.BocoDragon said:
Not to me, and from your comment, not to you. But I know people who don't like it.Zozz said:
I was more talking about the more risky drugs I guess. I just think people should look into it if they're tempted to try something. Drugs are illegal, but advice about them isn't. I have a real issue with the way drug education is handled here in the UK. It's forcing people to go into drug use blind folded for the most part.
AndersTheSwede
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half a moon said:
So your saying it should be legal to own, legal to use, but illegal to produce and illegal to distribute, thereby continuing a multi-billion dollar black-market industry with zero oversight and controls over distribution (age checks etc.)?
Nice plan.
Never got into Marijuana. Could never get any of my stupid pothead friends to answer the question 'why'. I was an ass like that even at the age of 13.
Things need to make some sort of sense. WHY do pot?
"Man it makes you forget about all of teh bad shit eh!"
But lifes little annoyances are still waiting for you there on the other side of your high....so WHY?
"Leisure!"
Just the fact that its illegal and costs so much means it cant hold a candle to any of my favorite hobbies.
But back on topic, yeah I dont buy that its harmless. Those guys I used to know still fuck with that shit to this day, we are grown ass men now. Theres SOMETHING about pot thats not kosher, thats for damn sure.
Things need to make some sort of sense. WHY do pot?
"Man it makes you forget about all of teh bad shit eh!"
But lifes little annoyances are still waiting for you there on the other side of your high....so WHY?
"Leisure!"
Just the fact that its illegal and costs so much means it cant hold a candle to any of my favorite hobbies.
But back on topic, yeah I dont buy that its harmless. Those guys I used to know still fuck with that shit to this day, we are grown ass men now. Theres SOMETHING about pot thats not kosher, thats for damn sure.
AndersTheSwede
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Puncture said:
Why get drunk? Because it feels good.
Coolio McAwesome
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Marijuana is not harmless. Marijuana stimulates the release of dopamine. Increased levels of dopamine can contribute to psychosis and other brain abnormalities. There has been a lot of research on this matter. I will concede that there are legal drugs that are every bit as harmful as marijuana, but I think it is downright irresponsible to suggest that marijuana is harmless.
If people really want to see marijuana legalized, I think it's important to have an honest dialogue about the drug. An argument can certainly be made that using marijuana is no more harmful than countless other legal activities; but I don't think Bill Maher is doing anyone any favors by insisting that its harmless.
If people really want to see marijuana legalized, I think it's important to have an honest dialogue about the drug. An argument can certainly be made that using marijuana is no more harmful than countless other legal activities; but I don't think Bill Maher is doing anyone any favors by insisting that its harmless.
Tyrone Slothrop
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Puncture said:
it's cool that you don't smoke and all, but that's some dumb reasoning there. life's little annoyances are still waiting for you when you're done with, say, playing a videogame. or browsing a messageboard. or masturbating.
people smoke because it feels good. as to whether that's justification is another argument. but that is indeed "why" people smoke.
half a moon
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I'm saying it's unrealistic and socially irresponsible to all of a sudden make it legal.AndersTheSwede said:
They need to slowly let more and more states use it medically, slowly decriminalize, and finally let 3 or fewer plants be legal. Which is happening minus the latter.
It's stupid to let people all of the suddenly get high whenever and how much they want. Everyone will want to do it. And it's stupid to have such strict laws for possession.
So, yes, I agree, It's a nice plan.
My personal opinion is that marijuana if used by responsible individuals carries about the same danger as drinking alcohol. I think both are OK if done in moderation. Like alcohol, marijuana should only be used to reinforce behaviour (used as a reward, positive reinforcement), and not an escape (negative reinforcement).
The short term risk of repeated marijuana use is loss of short term memory, and the long term risk is lung cancer (and maybe prostate cancer, but I think these findings are dubious). Short term memory loss is corrected after it's stopped being used. There are no long term risks of memory loss, and it doesn't cause "brain damage". The risks of lung cancer can be lessened by using a vaporiser.
Most physicians will tell you that there is no risk of physical addiction or withdrawal. But there is certainly a risk of psychological addiction (if used recklessly), and anecdotally I believe there are withdrawal symptoms (feeling 'dopey' the next day). But this is always mild, and usually goes away after a couple of hours.
So is marijuana harmless? No but no drug is harmless. Even water can kill you if you drink too much of it. But relatively, compared to almost all other recreational drugs (including alcohol and caffeine), it is far safer than most anything else.
The short term risk of repeated marijuana use is loss of short term memory, and the long term risk is lung cancer (and maybe prostate cancer, but I think these findings are dubious). Short term memory loss is corrected after it's stopped being used. There are no long term risks of memory loss, and it doesn't cause "brain damage". The risks of lung cancer can be lessened by using a vaporiser.
Most physicians will tell you that there is no risk of physical addiction or withdrawal. But there is certainly a risk of psychological addiction (if used recklessly), and anecdotally I believe there are withdrawal symptoms (feeling 'dopey' the next day). But this is always mild, and usually goes away after a couple of hours.
So is marijuana harmless? No but no drug is harmless. Even water can kill you if you drink too much of it. But relatively, compared to almost all other recreational drugs (including alcohol and caffeine), it is far safer than most anything else.
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