Is Marijuana harmless?

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Puncture said:
Never got into Marijuana. Could never get any of my stupid pothead friends to answer the question 'why'. I was an ass like that even at the age of 13.

Things need to make some sort of sense. WHY do pot?

"Man it makes you forget about all of teh bad shit eh!"

But lifes little annoyances are still waiting for you there on the other side of your high....so WHY?

"Leisure!"

Just the fact that its illegal and costs so much means it cant hold a candle to any of my favorite hobbies.

But back on topic, yeah I dont buy that its harmless. Those guys I used to know still fuck with that shit to this day, we are grown ass men now. Theres SOMETHING about pot thats not kosher, thats for damn sure.

Weed is cheaper than most of your hobbies - CERTAINLY cheaper than gaming - and that's beside the point anyway. You can buy a half for like 60~70 bucks or less if you know people, and that'll get most people high a dozen times or more. Each weed experience is 4 hours, give or take. 48 hours worth of fun. Seems a better value than most games. ;)

But I'm being silly.

Weed is just an activity like any of your hobbies that you can choose to do if you're up to it. It's a different type of activity for your mind and body.

You shouldn't waste time trying to be convinced to do it. Finding out if you want to do it is easy.

If you believe you only have one life to live, and that your life is a series of unique experiences, what do you personally have to lose from trying a completely new perspective for your mind and body?

It's not about why do X over Y. They're all legitimate choices. I prefer to do them ALL because I believe that when my time is done here on Earth, it's really fucking done. What's the point of disappearing without experiencing that incomparable joy of ecstasy? I can personally guarantee that -nothing- in your life has ever come close to even GLIMPSING the pure joy of a first time big E roll. Because it's scientifically impossible, for one.

But even just focusing on weed, you have to make these decisions for yourself. The pros and the cons.

It should never be a decision about choosing one OR the other. You never have to choose one or the other. If you think it's not for you, by all means stick with the choice. I would never want to convince you to do something like weed that you're not absolutely 100% sure you want to do. But you were coming at the process of decision making all wrong.
 
Puncture said:
Never got into Marijuana. Could never get any of my stupid pothead friends to answer the question 'why'. I was an ass like that even at the age of 13.

Things need to make some sort of sense. WHY do pot?

"Man it makes you forget about all of teh bad shit eh!"

But lifes little annoyances are still waiting for you there on the other side of your high....so WHY?

"Leisure!"

Just the fact that its illegal and costs so much means it cant hold a candle to any of my favorite hobbies.

But back on topic, yeah I dont buy that its harmless. Those guys I used to know still fuck with that shit to this day, we are grown ass men now. Theres SOMETHING about pot thats not kosher, thats for damn sure.

I'm sure you know why it's illegal. If you fucking went around and asked reasons for everything it seems rather annoying. why play videogames? why drink coffee?
 
Coolio McAwesome said:
If people really want to see marijuana legalized, I think it's important to have an honest dialogue about the drug. An argument can certainly be made that using marijuana is no more harmful than countless other legal activities; but I don't think Bill Maher is doing anyone any favors by insisting that its harmless.

Agreed, he's not doing the movement any favors because his position can be so easily attacked. I'm not going to quibble with these reports because anxiety is clearly a side-effect and extreme anxiety can lead to some of these things. But when you consider the side effects of other legal drugs including fucking death....

But the effects of pot prohibition on our society have been above an beyond the negative effects of the drug. The tens of thousands of people incarcerated every year here in America for pot, the hundreds of thousands who have trouble getting work because of felony pot convictions, the militarization of the police force, the billions of dollars in black-market funds a good amount of which flows to criminal organizations etc etc.

Marijuana is here to stay whether you like it or hate it. Prohibition of a plant that can be grown in the ground is fucking folly any way you try to justify it because it means supply will never be appreciably reduced yet regulation of distribution is complete removed and left to the black market.
 
Puncture said:
Never got into Marijuana. Could never get any of my stupid pothead friends to answer the question 'why'. I was an ass like that even at the age of 13.

Things need to make some sort of sense. WHY do pot?

"Man it makes you forget about all of teh bad shit eh!"

But lifes little annoyances are still waiting for you there on the other side of your high....so WHY?

"Leisure!"

Just the fact that its illegal and costs so much means it cant hold a candle to any of my favorite hobbies.

But back on topic, yeah I dont buy that its harmless. Those guys I used to know still fuck with that shit to this day, we are grown ass men now. Theres SOMETHING about pot thats not kosher, thats for damn sure.

Smoking marijuana is incredibly cheap. If you live in the US the overall costs of smoking 'dank' is less than $2.00 a joint. With the price decreasing even further if you use things that are more efficient in their use of bud (a bong for example).
 
The simple truth is, life is about various pursuits of pleasure. Your pleasure may be gaming, others may be drinking or fucking or some combination of things. It is up to you to decide when a pleasure like marijuana (or any drug) has too much of a risk of infringing on your overall wellbeing and happiness, as well as your longevity (as it happens to directly impact the amount of time you have to experience pleasure) ;)
 
Amir0x said:
Weed is cheaper than most of your hobbies - CERTAINLY cheaper than gaming - and that's beside the point anyway. You can buy a half for like 60~70 bucks or less if you know people, and that'll get most people high a dozen times or more. Each weed experience is 4 hours, give or take. 48 hours worth of fun. Seems a better value than most games. ;)

But I'm being silly.

Weed is just an activity like any of your hobbies that you can choose to do if you're up to it. It's a different type of activity for your mind and body.

You shouldn't waste time trying to be convinced to do it. Finding out if you want to do it is easy.

If you believe you only have one life to live, and that your life is a series of unique experiences, what do you personally have to lose from trying a completely new perspective for your mind and body?

It's not about why do X over Y. They're all legitimate choices. I prefer to do them ALL because I believe that when my time is done here on Earth, it's really fucking done. What's the point of disappearing without experiencing that incomparable joy of ecstasy? I can personally guarantee that -nothing- in your life has ever come close to even GLIMPSING the pure joy of a first time big E roll. Because it's scientifically impossible, for one.

But even just focusing on weed, you have to make these decisions for yourself. The pros and the cons.

It should never be a decision about choosing one OR the other. You never have to choose one or the other.

Excellent point...

When I am working or involved with something, weed doesn't even cross my mind as something I want to do. But when I am just sitting around with a few friends or even just by myself, smoking a little weed is a great way of relaxing. I do a lot of drawing and reading while on pot, and lately I have been mixing music with my computer which is so much fun. I made some great shit the other night... gonna post it in the DJ-GAF thread.

Weed and most psychedelic drugs to me are simply magical. Its something out of Harry Potter or something. The first and so for only time I dropped acid was one of the craziest nights of my life. It was basically like a vacation from reality. Thats how I thought of it.

As long as you do the drugs with responsibility, then I don't think there is anything wrong with it at all. Steve Jobs said LSD changed his life.
 
half a moon said:
I'm saying it's unrealistic and socially irresponsible to all of a sudden make it legal.

They need to slowly let more and more states use it medically, slowly decriminalize, and finally let 3 or fewer plants be legal. Which is happening minus the latter.

It's stupid to let people all of the suddenly get high whenever and how much they want. Everyone will want to do it. And it's stupid to have such strict laws for possession.

So, yes, I agree, It's a nice plan.

I see the angle you are working from, but it's simply wrong.

%40 of Americans have already tried pot. Everyone can already get high anytime they want. Anyone who wants to do it can do it right now. Weed is everywhere. It is the largest cash crop in America, larger than corn and wheat. Prohibition has done nothing to constrain supply, as it is a plant.

There is nothing about decriminalization that somehow makes marijuana more "socially responsible."

This notion that with legalization there will be some wave of pot smokers swamping the land is pretty ridiculous. The wave has already come. Yes, usage rates would rise with legalization, but if you want to be a pot smoker, chances are you already are. I'd bet most of the usage increase would be with older people who had to stop smoking as they merged into the workforce and were drug tested and grew away from the friends they knew had it.
 
Buckethead said:
Because alcohol has various uses. Not everyone buys it to drink. Some that do, don't abuse it.

When you smoke pot in contrast, you are instantly intoxicated/impaired. It's a legal issue.

Cigarettes can go to hell, but no reason to outlaw them. The fatcats would never let that happen anyway.


dumb statement, or dumbest statement in NeoGaf history? You decide.

first, i want you to tell me WTF all these people do that aren't buying their alcohol to drink. Do they bathe in it? Use it to wash windows?

Second, you are NOT instantly intoxicated when you smoke pot. I would know, i've only done it a few times, as a teenager, and it did NOTHING for me (which is probably the reason i never got into it). People smoke weed for the same reasons people drink (even the people that have a beer after work), and its to alter their mood/state of mind. Nobody drinks beer because they love the taste.
 
From what I understand, the most dangerous thing about marijuana are its social costs, which are man made.
 
Find Penn & Teller's Bullshit episode about marijuana. A lot of their episodes are mean and one-sided, but they also tend to make genuinely good points.
 
It's not harmless but it's not harmful. Your chance of getting addicted to marijuana has to be similar to you chance of getting addicted to video games.

There are no studies that link smoking marijuana to lung cancer and smoking it isn't the only way to do it.

There is ZERO reason weed shouldn't be legal and taxed
 
The only 'harmful' side effect of weed that I've ever experienced is that it sometimes fucks with my short-term memory. And that's a bitch when you're playing guitar stoned and you just happen to come up with a neat little riff. I've started keeping a pen and paper handy. :lol
 
really the only reason I don't do any type of drugs, is because I'm so paranoid that my parents will find out. Maybe I come home one day, and my clothes smell like smoke, my breath smells like alcohol and I'm hungover. I'll wait until college for the fun to start.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Second, you are NOT instantly intoxicated when you smoke pot. I would know, i've only done it a few times, as a teenager, and it did NOTHING for me (which is probably the reason i never got into it).
Ya, you pretty much are. Outside of your first 1-3 times trying marijuana the effects come on quick once you've smoked it. Eating it is different and can take almost an hour to really hit you, but smoking and vaporizing it's pretty much right away (well, usually, vaping takes a bit longer than smoking).

I realize you're talking about your own personal experience, but it doesn't fly with my own or the experiences of numerous other people I know who've smoked marijuana.

Ignoring this small point, the larger idea being that because you experience the effects fairly soon after use, marijuana shouldn't be legal is a cop-out. There would still be laws against driving under the influence. Also, to whoever posted about people hallucinating on the streets if it's made legal... weed doesn't really do that unless you smoke a shit-ton, and even then you're more likely to fall asleep from smoking that much :lol
 
From personal experiences with friends doing marijuana (and these are pot-heads, mind you) I've noticed a lot of moodiness. They seem to get agitated easily. Again though, they are not casual users but they can be tough to hang with.

From my personal experience... panic attacks. I've had a few times I've had panic attacks on it and it sure as hell is not a good feeling. Depending on the pot, I can feel calm but more than likely I still feel that bit of anxiety. Then again, I do have anxiety naturally so that's just more or less on my end. It's really the reason I don't care for the stuff. Preferably, I wish they had some kind of over-the-counter Xanax. I'd prefer that WAY more than pot.
 
Darkmakaimura said:
From my personal experience... panic attacks. I've had a few times I've had panic attacks on it and it sure as hell is not a good feeling. Depending on the pot, I can feel calm but more than likely I still feel that bit of anxiety. Then again, I do have anxiety naturally so that's just more or less on my end. It's really the reason I don't care for the stuff. Preferably, I wish they had some kind of over-the-counter Xanax. I'd prefer that WAY more than pot.
Ya, this can happen... best way to go about it is try and be in a positive mood before you smoke.
 
Darkmakaimura said:
From personal experiences with friends doing marijuana (and these are pot-heads, mind you) I've noticed a lot of moodiness. They seem to get agitated easily. Again though, they are not casual users but they can be tough to hang with.

From my personal experience... panic attacks. I've had a few times I've had panic attacks on it and it sure as hell is not a good feeling. Depending on the pot, I can feel calm but more than likely I still feel that bit of anxiety. Then again, I do have anxiety naturally so that's just more or less on my end. It's really the reason I don't care for the stuff. Preferably, I wish they had some kind of over-the-counter Xanax. I'd prefer that WAY more than pot.

The trick is just to pace yourself on how much you smoke and be aware that when you're high, you're high. You can always pass.
 
I am allergic to cigarette smoke. It irritates the hell out of my throat and eyes. Plus, it gives me an awful headache.

However, when I smoked weed (only did it once) or when around people who smoke, it doesn't bother me at all. Hmmmmmm

I don't smoke, but it SHOULD be legalized. No reason why it shouldn't.
 
everyone here has said "its not harmless if you dont abuse it", if you do abuse it what does it physically do to you?
 
I smoke a fair bit of weed.

It's definitely demotivating and if you roll it with tobacco it becomes harder to give up. That said, I've curbed my usage to vacations and occasional weekends if there's a party or something.

Plus if you smoke it a lot you realise it's not that much fun, it just sort of makes you tired and lazy.
 
BocoDragon said:
1. Carcenogens. Inhaling any smoke is bad. So is living around car fumes.

2. It apparantly causes the dendrites in your brain to widen, making it less easily for signals to be transmitted between them. This causes memory loss.. Spaciness. This is not seriously debilitating, but it is a real effect. Heavy pot use can lead to airheadedness.. But I wouldn't call this a real disability.

3. It makes hard work difficult because of reason 2, and coupled with psycological addiction it potentially lessens your productivity.

In my opinion these are small risks, but they are reasons to smoke in modoration.. In the right times and in the right amounts. It's not completely harmless, but certainly less harmful than most propoganda would indicate over the past 100 years...
tell that to my 30 year old deadbeat sister who would rather smoke pot than support her 3 kids. =(
 
LuCkymoON said:
tell that to my 30 year old deadbeat sister who would rather smoke pot than support her 3 kids. =(
Kind of an excuse or a personal failing though.. I know hardworking teachers and business managers who smoke pot, but they don't really advertise it because of the whole "illegal" thing..

Aaron said:
I really don't buy this one. I don't smoke pot at all and I have a terrible memory, while a friend of mine smokes once a week roughly (for at least a decade) and his memory remains near photographic. He's a bit spacy when he's smoking, but that's the only way I can tell since he's no different otherwise.
I've smoked for 10 years. My memory and social performance is better when I reduced it from several times a day to maybe once a week though. Anecdote.
 
Like many have already stated, Marijuana is not harmless. Any responsible user will make themselves aware of its cons and accept those consequences.

The only thing I find really bad about Marijuana is the fact it can cause some people to slow down their lives, stop caring about certain aspects of their existance. and not want to ever be active. I see this with a lot of my friends and I have also been guilty of it in the past (when I smoked).

Truthfully, I feel better then I ever have since I stopped smoking weed about 4 months ago. With that said though, I also know that people can be very productive and responsible with it and I say do what you like.
 
LuCkymoON said:
tell that to my 30 year old deadbeat sister who would rather smoke pot than support her 3 kids. =(

if it wasn't pot it would have been alcohol, or prescription medications, or world of fucking warcraft. Your sister is just a weak minded loser.
 
Karma Kramer said:
Weed is harmless considering the other things that our american culture accepts as harmless.

Basically.

Everything in moderation. You could die from drinking too much water.

This is closely connected to life style. See; suburban housewives vs. high-school stoners.
 
LuCkymoON said:
tell that to my 30 year old deadbeat sister who would rather smoke pot than support her 3 kids. =(
My friend has two kids and a stepson, and I can't imagine how he could be a better father. Don't blame the pot.
 
Aaron said:
My friend has two kids and a stepson, and I can't imagine how he could be a better father. Don't blame the pot.

It's not really a stretch of the imagination that pot could be a factor, I am sure its not the main culprit though.
 
BakedPigeon said:
It's not really a stretch of the imagination that pot could be a factor, I am sure its not the main culprit though.
People are self motivated and if they are irresponsible and lazy that is who they are. You can't blame an object or an activity for them being an irresponsible person because they would use whatever object or situation as an escape goat from their lives.
 
gutter_trash said:
Binge Drinking = lawful
A puff of one joint = illegal

society's opinion on MJ is skewed thinking that illegality = more harmful

True. You can't justify marijuana's harmlessness just because alcohol is legal though, which is what the OP is debating.

Zozz said:
People are self motivated and if they are irresponsible and lazy that is who they are. You can't blame an object or an activity for them being an irresponsible person because they would use whatever object or situation as an escape goat from their lives.

I cant really speak on others experiences but I found in my own that smoking pot affected my lifestyle, whether that be good or bad.
 
-COOLIO- said:
everyone here has said "its not harmless if you dont abuse it", if you do abuse it what does it physically do to you?

Physically I've noticed reduced lung capacity. More easily become short of breath. So it does negatively impact your lungs, pot is pretty tar-heavy. However it is (obviously) completely organic so its carcinogenic effects are pretty nonexistent (at least from what has been discovered over a hundred years of smoking modern strains). I've been smoking semi-daily for 6 years.

Darkmakaimura said:
From personal experiences with friends doing marijuana (and these are pot-heads, mind you) I've noticed a lot of moodiness. They seem to get agitated easily. Again though, they are not casual users but they can be tough to hang with.

From my personal experience... panic attacks. I've had a few times I've had panic attacks on it and it sure as hell is not a good feeling. Depending on the pot, I can feel calm but more than likely I still feel that bit of anxiety. Then again, I do have anxiety naturally so that's just more or less on my end. It's really the reason I don't care for the stuff. Preferably, I wish they had some kind of over-the-counter Xanax. I'd prefer that WAY more than pot.

With the exception of the Xanax, I would agree. If you are predisposed personally to anxiety pot will really exacerbate it, particularly Sativa strains. One of things that if it were legal would be something to have on the warning label.
 
After not really smoking that much for a few months I've spent the last two weeks smoking every night and I've noticed an incredible variance in my mood, my mental capabilities and my confidence during the day that wasn't present two weeks ago. On the other hand my appreciation of video games, music, and patte on pizza crusts has increased. So, swings and roundabouts.
 
Even if it isn't, who cares? You gotta live a little. I love it when there is some around and I've had a few drinks.
 
Sure it´s not harmful and it does affect your brain WHILE high. But I mean what do you expect? It´s a drug and it effects you in a way that´s what drugs do god damn it. Getting high/drunk and beeing just as always at the same time? Nah. But still it is not as dangerous as alcohol since THC is nontoxic and destroys no liver or brain cells.

And sure it´s harmful to smoke it I mean it´s a combustion process and where´s said process there are always harmful substances. Not as harmful as smoking tobacco yeah but still harmful to your lungs. Eating Marijuana in the form of THC (the active component in Pot that makes you high) is the way to go and then I would say it is by far one of the safest drugs/semiluxury foods around.

The 'Why' question. Why do I use it? Well to relax from a stressful week, to have fun/a good laugh with good friends all in all to lower my stress level...you know the process. If you work hard you have to party hard :p. These are just challenging times and when you can´t compensate the daily stress with your bodys own substances well I guess then you need drugs. That´s what they´re good for. I mean hell I more or less wasted my childhood with videogames cuz I always couldn´t really adapt to these rational and hectic times.

Anyways use Marijuana the way you´re used to use legal drugs and you´re fine.
 
Coolio McAwesome said:
Marijuana is not harmless. Marijuana stimulates the release of dopamine. Increased levels of dopamine can contribute to psychosis and other brain abnormalities. There has been a lot of research on this matter. I will concede that there are legal drugs that are every bit as harmful as marijuana, but I think it is downright irresponsible to suggest that marijuana is harmless.

If people really want to see marijuana legalized, I think it's important to have an honest dialogue about the drug. An argument can certainly be made that using marijuana is no more harmful than countless other legal activities; but I don't think Bill Maher is doing anyone any favors by insisting that its harmless.

Even if it became legal, those links are why I cannot smoke weed.
 
Harmless? Relatively. If you smoke some right now on your couch there is a 99% chance that nothing adverse will happen to you. Now if you smoke for 40 years I'd say the odds of you coming down with lung cancer will be fairly decent.

Now if you were to smoke infront of a police station I'm fairly sure the odds of something adverse happening to you are also 99%.
 
You can get poisoning from water.

So if you want to be strict about things then yes Weed like anything is harmful. IMO it's not harmful enough to be illegal. If cigarettes and alcohol are both legal it there's no consistency in having weed illegal. It's just a matter of certain groups lobbying to have it it prohibited. It probably started with the cotton industry who stood to lose a lot of money if hemp caught on. Now there is an army of lawyers, phamasutical companies, companies connected to the prison system, politicians, law enforcement...etc who have a lot to gain by keeping it illegal. The people have been cheated and lied to. Its a great shame that a person would have to spend time in jail for smoking an herb.

I've smoked a lot of weed and from personal experience I don't feel the least bit addicted. I typically go months at a time without smoking any. I've had some pretty trippy experiences but I've never done anything stupid while high.

Cannabinoids are produced in the body. We need them to function normally. It's not even a true narcotic.
 
Puncture said:
Never got into Marijuana. Could never get any of my stupid pothead friends to answer the question 'why'. I was an ass like that even at the age of 13.

Things need to make some sort of sense. WHY do pot?

"Man it makes you forget about all of teh bad shit eh!"

But lifes little annoyances are still waiting for you there on the other side of your high....so WHY?

"Leisure!"

Just the fact that its illegal and costs so much means it cant hold a candle to any of my favorite hobbies.

But back on topic, yeah I dont buy that its harmless. Those guys I used to know still fuck with that shit to this day, we are grown ass men now. Theres SOMETHING about pot thats not kosher, thats for damn sure.
to relax after a long day of work? why do people drink alcohol?
 
Weed didn't cause psychosis in me, I was crazy before hand.

I started using it to medicate my barely functioning ass.

I'm a lot better now. I actually feel comfortable about going into public now.
 
My family has this debate fairly often, given my uncle has always seen pot as harmless and in turn has been smoking heavily since his early 20's. I give that it took 20+ years of him smoking, but hes burned out, most consider him mentally disabled/ill with how he lives and behaves, cant hold a job nor any type of functional relationship. My mother has repeatedly tried to help him but its been repeat failure.

Last I heard he ended up homeless again and its been over a year since anyone's seen/heard from him. Its frustrating hearing people say pot cant be addictive after personally seeing his relationship with the drug for almost 10 years. Though many have a difficult time accepting many other addictions as plausible/legit (sex/eating disorders/pills etc), so its not very surprising...
 
starmud said:
My family has this debate fairly often, given my uncle has always seen pot as harmless and in turn has been smoking heavily since his early 20's. I give that it took 20+ years of him smoking, but hes burned out, most consider him mentally disabled/ill with how he lives and behaves, cant hold a job nor any type of functional relationship. My mother has repeatedly tried to help him but its been repeat failure.

Last I heard he ended up homeless again and its been over a year since anyone's seen/heard from him. Its frustrating hearing people say pot cant be addictive after personally seeing his relationship with the drug for almost 10 years. Though many have a difficult time accepting many other addictions as plausible/legit (sex/eating disorders/pills etc), so its not very surprising...
The point that's been made repeatedly in this thread is people who use pot in this way could have become addicted to anything, like WoW or stripclubs or whatever. The pot itself isn't what makes them the way they are, it's their willingness to use it as a crux and an excuse. Anything taken to excess can ruin you, even something that's supposed to be positive like exercise. A person must have self control and practice moderation to keep themselves from becoming a slave to something. No law is going to change that.
 
pgtl_10 said:
Bill Maher on Larry King says it is. He is not the first to say that. Is their any truth to that?

Can be to some people, especially in your teens when your brain hasn't fully developed. Never seen anyone over 25 have problems smoking it, other than the fact that they tend to end up sounding like a veteran boxer with a 45 fights and 20 losses record if they are heavy users.

I got put in the nuthouse for seven weeks after smoking weed when I was 19. Starting hearing voices telling me that I was the "keeper of the thought". Went through the psychosis for six months before I lost it. At one point I starting hearing voices telling me that I would spontatiously combust, I was walking aimlesly around town and stopped at a certain street. Unfortunately it was called Burnside Close. Pretty much made me flip a lid. Pretty cool experience looking back on things, I learnt a lot. Everyone should lose it once in their lives.

Nowadays when I smoke it which is extremely rare, perhaps once a year, I get no problems with the stuff. I don't like the feeling now though. It's just a fog over the mind and it makes me too placid, and more accepting of people I normally wouldn't let eat in the same building as me.
 
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