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[AndersTheSwede]

So what makes you think we have the ability to keep marijuana as safe and harmless as it technically is versus what we make it?

Because keeping it illegal does far and away more damage than legalizing it (which wouldn't do much).

Frankly, I don't really understand a damn thing of what your saying. We need more control! But not from the government! People are completely weak! But only people can change themselves!

It's like you're stuck in a rat wheel.

 

[Nemo]

I do it once about a week or two, everytime I hit my stress level cap. Makes you feel good, everything is gone and it's as harmless as candy. The perfect drug.

 

[The Lamonster]

I do it once about a week or two, everytime I hit my stress level cap. Makes you feel good, everything is gone and it's as harmless as candy. The perfect drug.

/thread

 

[Diatribe1974]

Because keeping it illegal does far and away more damage than legalizing it (which wouldn't do much).

Frankly, I don't really understand a damn thing of what your saying. We need more control! But not from the government! People are completely weak! But only people can change themselves!

It's like you're stuck in a rat wheel.

It's a vicious cycle, isn't it?

It's better to not do it and always wonder "What if...." then to do it and say "Fuck, I should've never done that....." But there's always people who will say "Oh, I'm glad I did that....." or find some way to justify what they do. It's how we are as a species. Personally, I don't believe in using any foreign substance to the extent that can potentially alter me from being in control of myself.

Does this mean that I've never smoked a couple before? Nope.

Does this mean I've never gotten drunk before? Nope.

I was able to say enough was enough. I pass this on as life lessons to my own kids as at least my ability to say "They know what I didn't know when I was their age...." If they screw up, then there's no one they can honestly blame but themselves.

 

[riskVSreward]

You're being selfish.

 

[inner-G]

Hemp is very durable.

If you slap someone with the stalk of a plant, it hurts, bad. Like a caning.

So no, it's definitely not harmless.

 

[Fenderputty]

You're being selfish.

He's not being selfish. He's being a walking contradiction and a frustrating individual.

It's kinda ironic that he's making my point about the harmless nature of weed. I'm a freaking pot head and can put together a better argument in my sleep then he can stone cold sober.

 

[riskVSreward]

Frustrating for sure, he's completely confounded me.

 

[Dahellisdat]

It's better to not do it and always wonder "What if...." then to do it and say "Fuck, I should've never done that....."
Does this mean that I've never smoked a couple before? Nope.

Does this mean I've never gotten drunk before? Nope.

So you regret ever having even tried these things?

 

[Zeliard]

If anything, we need LESS government control in our lives. So who does the deed? You. Me. The guy down the street. The woman who made your sub at the local sandwich shop. We need people to intervene and say "No, you've had enough."

It's because we aren't doing what it takes to control ourselves, that ultimately, you're going to get MORE government control over our lives. It will all be done in the guise of "We're only doing this for your own good......" but since we're all fucked up to varying degrees to start with, it'll go horribly, horribly wrong from there.

Why?

Because we don't have the ability to say "when".

We seemingly don't have the ability to push ourselves away from the tables at dinner time without going for another oversized helping of supper.

We seemingly don't have the ability to control our tempers as yet another woman is brutally beaten by her boyfriend/husband.

We seemingly don't have the ability to say "Hey, I'm already going to be late to work, no sense rushing it." but instead, plow through traffic with reckless abandon without ever thinking we're 37 seconds away from t-boning that minivan carrying the family of 4.

We seemingly don't have the ability to say "Hey, I've had waaaaaaaay too much to drink tonight, who wants to call me a cab?" Instead they stand a good chance to adding to the 40,000+ years deaths in the US due to drunk driving.

So what makes you think we have the ability to keep marijuana as safe and harmless as it technically is versus what we make it?

Once again, logic that can apply to anything on the planet that can be consumed or acted out in excess. There's no reason to single out marijuana, other than the fact that it's currently illegal, which by itself has nothing to do with your point. Also, listing examples of things that are grossly non-proportional to the act of smoking weed in terms of damage done isn't really helping your argument - the opposite, actually.

It's better to not do it and always wonder "What if...." then to do it and say "Fuck, I should've never done that....." But there's always people who will say "Oh, I'm glad I did that....." or find some way to justify what they do. It's how we are as a species.

There's nothing to "justify". If someone is glad they smoked weed at some point, then they are. Why does that mean they're trying to justify it? I'm going to need better convincing beyond some scattershot cynical approach.

Personally, I don't believe in using any foreign substance to the extent that can potentially alter me from being in control of myself.

Yes, "to each his own" is a lovely philosophy, isn't it? Weed doesn't alter you from being "in control of yourself", either, unless you have the body mass and mindset of a small dog.

 

[Fenderputty]

Yes, "to each his own" is a lovely philosophy, isn't it? Weed doesn't alter you from being "in control of yourself", either, unless you have the body mass and mindset of a small dog.

With the exception of the first couple of times I got high, the ONLY time I've ever felt a little out of control was after eating cookies.

I made a potent batch of cookies and ingested about 4 of them. It doesn't even feel like the same drug when eating it.

 

[TheExodu5]

I do it once about a week or two, everytime I hit my stress level cap. Makes you feel good, everything is gone and it's as harmless as candy. The perfect drug.

It makes me get incredible spaced out and paranoid. It's the most uncomfortable feeling in the world. I hate it.

Weed hits me really friggn hard. I have the short term memory of a goldfish when I'm high.

 

[VASPER]

So i am a stoner off and on for 4 years, 3 of which i have been in school. i have seen some good informed posts and some not so informed posts. I pesonally do not think it is healthy, it is just as damaging to the lungs as smoking is, on the other hand it can help level people and unlevel people. I think it can be good for some and not so for others, people need to know the risks and make a good decsion on if its right for them or not.

In short in not HARMLESS, and i feel that in less you have tried it you can't judge or make an educated answer.

 

[Cipherr]

to relax after a long day of work? why do people drink alcohol?

I don't and never have drank alcohol either. :lol Was never interested in, nor cared to try smoking "cigarettes nor anything else, nor alcohol. Not even enough to TRY either of them once. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

 

[Tideas]

If you drive while tripping on acid, fuck yo couch and go to jail.

If you drop acid in the comfort of your home, fuck you government go away.

This line of thinking of yours is wrong. Why?

Let's say you drop acid in your house. You overdose. But, had the intelligence to call 911 before you passed out.

They come, get you, drive you the hospital, and you're in a coma with no health insurance. WHo's gonna foot the cost? Tax payers of course.

So anything you do that can involve the tax payers, then the government has the right to intervene and regulate.

Or should we just let those people die?

 

[Fenderputty]

This line of thinking of yours is wrong. Why?

Let's say you drop acid in your house. You overdose. But, had the intelligence to call 911 before you passed out.

They come, get you, drive you the hospital, and you're in a coma with no health insurance. WHo's gonna foot the cost? Tax payers of course.

So anything you do that can involve the tax payers, then the government has the right to intervene and regulate.

Or should we just let those people die?

This train of thought is just as bad. The person without medical insurance could go skateboarding down the street and break and arm. Should we not allow anything with potential danger because someone MIGHT not have medical insurance? Should they drive cars? Play sports? I'm sure more people go to the hospital with broken arms etc etc. then acid overdoses.

 

[Max@GC]

Damn this thread got long. I don´t get it how there´s always such a big debate about pot. I mean is it just because it is illegal? If I compare the e.g. salvia divinorum thread to this one it´s a whole different ballgame regarding the debate about the psychological effects of salvia.

 

[Fenderputty]

Damn this thread got long. I don´t get it how there´s always such a big debate about pot. I mean is it just because it is illegal?

Basically yeah. There's years and years of DARE societal brainwashing that we have to move past before it can be excepted.

 

[Tideas]

This train of thought is just as bad. The person without medical insurance could go skateboarding down the street and break and arm. Should we not allow anything with potential danger because someone MIGHT not have medical insurance? Should they drive cars? Play sports? I'm sure more people go to the hospital with broken arms etc etc. then acid overdoses.

I was arguing against the case of government regulation. just as skateboarding is regulated (it's against the law to go around with a helmet), so should doing stuff even if it's in your own house, if it can affect tax payers

 

[whitehawk]

This train of thought is just as bad. The person without medical insurance could go skateboarding down the street and break and arm. Should we not allow anything with potential danger because someone MIGHT not have medical insurance? Should they drive cars? Play sports? I'm sure more people go to the hospital with broken arms etc etc. then acid overdoses.

Acid should never be legal.

 

[Dahellisdat]

I was arguing against the case of government regulation. just as skateboarding is regulated (it's against the law to go around with a helmet), so should doing stuff even if it's in your own house, if it can affect tax payers

I don't think there are skateboarding laws except to say wherever its NOT allowed to happen.

Acid should never be legal.

P.S. Acid is awesome.

 

[Broseybrose]

I can't smoke weed .... i get panic attacks

smoke weed and take xanax or something like that.
p.s. i hate acid. did it once, 12 years ago. i have, however, had quite a few FANTASTIC trips on mushrooms over the years. i havent done that stuff for several years now.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

I think Marijuana should be legal. I'm tired of being shady about smoking and I'm tired of it being looked so down upon. It's really not that bad, but the laws behind it make it look really bad. I'm tired of thinking about being caught with it. That leads to paranoya. If I didn't have to worry about it being so god damn illegal all the time, I'd enjoy myself much more.

From what I've seen, it mostly just promotes laziness. But with me, I do fine. I think when I was smoking the most, is the one semester in high school I actually got Straight A's.
But for the most part, I smoke about 2 times a week and I enjoy it. I still get A's and B+'s and I got into all 8 of the colleges I applied to. And I applied to some pretty good schools.

From my experiences with weed, I've never been so high to the point where I couldn't walk, stand up, etc. I've never had to throw up from smoking, unlike a few experiences with alcohol. Overall, I do things responsibly and think I'm responsible enough to handle smoking and drinking once in awhile. Some people let Weed rule their lives (even though they aren't addicted), but not me. I don't do it if I'm in a bad mood, only a good mood. If someone close to me were to die, you wouldn't see me drinking or getting high to comfort my grievances.

 

[Mohonky]

It's not harmless but it's not harmful. Your chance of getting addicted to marijuana has to be similar to you chance of getting addicted to video games.

There are no studies that link smoking marijuana to lung cancer and smoking it isn't the only way to do it.

There is ZERO reason weed shouldn't be legal and taxed

Cept maybe the slight psychological problems that can arise from smoking weed.

Everyone I know who smokes weed seems to think that because it won't necessarily kill you it's not actually doing you any harm and don't even class it as a drug (to be said in the same sentence as MDMA, meth / amphetamines, ketamine etc etc). Ironically most of the defenders of weed are smokers themselves. Ironic that.

I had one friend who used to be a regular smoker till his mate smoked up one weekend and just went off the deep end and now lives in a mental home. Numerous mates whom of all the drugs they'd taken had the hardest time getting off their weed smoking habits. Every psychologist or psychiatrist I have ever seen only wants to know whether I have or do smoke weed, they aren't concerned about other drug use nearly as much as weed due to it's inherent nature to exacerbate any latent mental disorders.

I'm not anti drugs per se, I've done my fair share of them in the past but you're seriously kidding yourself if you think they aren't harmful or that addiction is the worst case scenario and all you're worried about.

 

[LordAzrael]

Acid should never be legal.

Some further justification is necessary here. Had a bad trip?

 

[Althane]

Some further justification is necessary here. Had a bad trip?

I dunno, I agree with him, kinda. Mary Jane is just as bad as having alcohol or smoking (which is to say, in our society not that bad at all), but LSD is some trippy shit.

For a theraputic agent, I remember reading somewhere that it was looking alright, but apparently druggies got a hold of it and got it banned because of that. Still, I've heard of people have some bad shit happen if they go on a bad trip, plus there was a story a while back about a person who rolled out of a window and died because they were on that stuff.

Now, not that that couldn't have been taken care of if people knew what they were doing, and I'm all for stupidity getting its just desserts, but still...

 

[Xeke]

I know GAF loves charts.

 

[TheDrizzlerJ11]

where you getting these charts from?

 

[Dahellisdat]

where you getting these charts from?

GoogleCharts.com

 

[Spainkiller]

I know GAF loves charts.

Shame those charts are wrong, seeing as pure Heroin isn't physically harmful to any massive extent if taken in the correct amounts.

I wonder when that myth will be destroyed? We've got a long way to go yet.

 

[MrSardonic]

and a lot of the "harm" from cannabis in those studies comes from smoke inhalation...if you don't smoke it then most of that is not relevant.

besides, you're more likely to be injured on a night out drinking or driving to a dealer than you are from cannabis itself. people are just scared that a psychoactive drug might be widely used and isn't see as an evil thing to consume

 

[Max@GC]

Marijuana can give you AIDS. Discuss.

 

[Skellig Gra]

Of course it isn't harmless. You are INHALING smoke.

 

[joelseph]

You only get high off the first hit of the day, the rest of the day is spent trying to get back to that moment. Terrible waste of money yet it is hard to stop.

 

[Bigfoot]

Can't believe this hasn't been posted yet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57DdviStOFo

 

[jon bones]

It's pretty harmful to your reputation.

:lol says the creep with like 8 gigs of natalie portman pictures on his computer :lol




weed, like any drug/vice, must be taken in moderation. self-control is key.
but it is a relatively harmless drug, objectively speaking.

 

[Dahellisdat]

You only get high off the first hit of the day, the rest of the day is spent trying to get back to that moment. Terrible waste of money yet it is hard to stop.

Are you talking about coke now?

 

[lil smoke]

If you like it, smoke. If you don't, don't. Nothing more to discuss. No one gives a fuck if you don't smoke, or how you feel about it.

/thread.

 

[ajfoucault]

Marijuana FTW!

 

[dark_chris]

Not harmless.

Also since if you have a weak will of mind and get addicted like a moron.

 

[whitehawk]

Some further justification is necessary here. Had a bad trip?

No, Ive only done weed, alcohol and Salvia. But salvia was enough to make me realize that Hallucinogenic drugs can be okay depending on the person, but there are so many people that would react horribly to these drugs (salvia, like me, shrooms, lsd etc) that it would only do harm. Perhaps there should be ways of getting these ways legally, but maybe there should be a process to get it, like getting a drivers license. You shouldn't be able to walk into a store and buy LSD.

 

[teh_pwn]

I know GAF loves charts.

Solution to the world depression: Make Ritalin (Methylphenidate) over the counter.

 

[Tyrone Slothrop]

i don't know if I'm buying those charts.

some of those things, like LSD, isn't "harmful" at all... (from a strict physical health standpoint), or at least LSD is much, much safer than ecstacy and ritalin
edit: i just took a second look... chart is definitely bullshit

 

[Xeke]

i don't know if I'm buying those charts.

some of those things, like LSD, isn't "harmful" at all... (from a strict physical health standpoint), or at least LSD is much, much safer than ecstacy and ritalin
edit: i just took a second look... chart is definitely bullshit

LSD has a very low toxicity to the body and thats what is measured.

 

[teh_pwn]

i don't know if I'm buying those charts.

some of those things, like LSD, isn't "harmful" at all... (from a strict physical health standpoint), or at least LDS is much, much safer than ecstacy and ritalin
edit: i just took a second look... chart is definitely bullshit

Yeah, I wouldn't buy the charts too much unless it had precise details on the dose and how it was taken. Because at least a few of those drugs can actually improve physical health depending on the condition, dose, time taken, etc.

 

[Xeke]

That graph was put out by the British Government.

 

[Tyrone Slothrop]

LSD has a very low toxicity to the body and thats what is measured.

yeah that's why i'm calling BS. no way acid has more toxicity than ritalin, ecstacy and all that other stuff ranked behind it.