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Is Rock & Roll Completely Dead?

Pejo

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So for whatever reason I was looking at the Billboard top 100, and I honestly don't see a single rock song on the entire thing. Multiple entries from Justin Bieber, Billie Eilish, etc.


What happened? I know it's been fading out for a while now, but it seems to be completely absent these days. Not even corporate rock seems to exist anymore like Nickelback and All American Rejects.

Is it dead, GAF? Has the public spoken and said "WE WANT POP"?
 
WTF is that Alvin the Chipmunks meets ( name of generic rapper )
It's the new wave, bruh
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Rock died because of music snob journalists pushing shitty acts. Kids grew up in the past 2 decades respecting the opinions of losers in their basements for some reason and tried to make music to appease the critics. Now we have this hollow shell of a genre that lacks any sort of balls or grit. Probably won't ever come back to be honest, anytime a new band comes out that are heavy (Royal Blood come to mind) the elitist snobs dismiss them as knuckle dragging primates.
 
It isn't dead but it requires too much talent to be successful in. Its much easier to be a country artist, pop artist, or country pop artist and sell recycled trash to idiots.
 
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RAP.

White kids wanted to become the next Eminem instead of the next Motley Cru or The Doors.

Rap stars became the new rockstars. Get the women, the drugs, the money from becoming a rapper. Also rapping is much easier. You dont need singing talent or know how to play an instrument. And with auto tuning all you really have to do is be able to rhyme a few words.

So white kids who would get into rock and roll to get laid or be bad boys will instead become rappers, or go soft and become Lewis Capoldi or Ed Sheehan.
 
Rock died because of music snob journalists pushing shitty acts. Kids grew up in the past 2 decades respecting the opinions of losers in their basements for some reason and tried to make music to appease the critics. Now we have this hollow shell of a genre that lacks any sort of balls or grit. Probably won't ever come back to be honest, anytime a new band comes out that are heavy (Royal Blood come to mind) the elitist snobs dismiss them as knuckle dragging primates.
I'm just curious of why they targeted rock specifically to eradicate. When I was a teenager, pop punk/punk rock/rock was what I identified with to express my angst. Do kids not feel angsty anymore? Is it all just self loathing and malaise?
 
I'm just curious of why they targeted rock specifically to eradicate. When I was a teenager, pop punk/punk rock/rock was what I identified with to express my angst. Do kids not feel angsty anymore? Is it all just self loathing and malaise?

Resetera is what happens without rock. Instead of using music as an outlet, you use it as fuel for your shit, then go take a dump online.
 
So for whatever reason I was looking at the Billboard top 100, and I honestly don't see a single rock song on the entire thing. Multiple entries from Justin Bieber, Billie Eilish, etc.


What happened? I know it's been fading out for a while now, but it seems to be completely absent these days. Not even corporate rock seems to exist anymore like Nickelback and All American Rejects.

Is it dead, GAF? Has the public spoken and said "WE WANT POP"?

No.

Rock just entered its jazz phase (meaning it has a faithful audience but it's not the top genre in terms of pop audiences).

I even host my own rock show online (my avatar) - it's 80% new music 20% classics and this week I'll upload episode 62 (it's spoken in Portuguese though) - when I have time I'll work on an English version. There are more rock bands to listen to nowadays than 20 years ago (thanks to the internet you can find stuff from all over the world and it just keeps growing). You just have to do a little digging.
 
I'm just curious of why they targeted rock specifically to eradicate. When I was a teenager, pop punk/punk rock/rock was what I identified with to express my angst. Do kids not feel angsty anymore? Is it all just self loathing and malaise?

It's not that they targeted it, it's just the only thing the critics knew how to write about. They couldnt write about rap at the time (they still can't but they do like to pretend), they've always been dismissive of pop music and they know nothing outside their realm of rock. So all that happened was they got more and more "my band is cooler than your band because less people know about them" until we reached this point of so many substandard acts that are briefly given the spotlight before the new crap band takes their place.
 
Who cares? It's better to be into something that is not "popular." It clears out all the douchebag hangers-on.
Well it does make it harder and harder to find new audiences and listeners, which creates less interest into the genre in general. There's no artist in the top 100 right now that kids can admire and say "hell yea, that guitar riff was sweet, I want to try that".

Seems to be a self-defeating cycle, and I, at least, blame it on radio/media and what they select to play. Even the few radio stations in my area that still play rock, it's all from the 80s/90s because nothing new exists that would meet the requirements for modern radio play.

I have nothing against smaller bands/lesser known scenes. It's just weird to me to see that the genre has no presence in pop culture in the late 2010s and beyond.
 
Well it does make it harder and harder to find new audiences and listeners, which creates less interest into the genre in general. There's no artist in the top 100 right now that kids can admire and say "hell yea, that guitar riff was sweet, I want to try that".

Seems to be a self-defeating cycle, and I, at least, blame it on radio/media and what they select to play. Even the few radio stations in my area that still play rock, it's all from the 80s/90s because nothing new exists that would meet the requirements for modern radio play.

I have nothing against smaller bands/lesser known scenes. It's just weird to me to see that the genre has no presence in pop culture in the late 2010s and beyond.

Great points. Seems to be the state of media in general these days. Everything is fractured. There are alternative audiences out there, and they are reachable with new media and social media. For example, my little pop punk or "Ramonescore" bubble has a very active scene and shows, tons of vinyl, and podcasts to hear about new stuff. The #s are small, but it remains vibrant.
 
Great points. Seems to be the state of media in general these days. Everything is fractured. There are alternative audiences out there, and they are reachable with new media and social media. For example, my little pop punk or "Ramonescore" bubble has a very active scene and shows, tons of vinyl, and podcasts to hear about new stuff. The #s are small, but it remains vibrant.
Ramonescore is the only good pop punk these days even though they basically all play the same song. And at least it's more alive than horror punk. :messenger_loudly_crying:
 
I'm just curious of why they targeted rock specifically to eradicate. When I was a teenager, pop punk/punk rock/rock was what I identified with to express my angst. Do kids not feel angsty anymore? Is it all just self loathing and malaise?

Probably because rock music was too white. Or something.

Also, I blame Canada, because they created Nickleback.

That being said, the best current rock band is Japanese.

Band Maid.
 
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been dead for a long time now.
Great points. Seems to be the state of media in general these days. Everything is fractured. There are alternative audiences out there, and they are reachable with new media and social media. For example, my little pop punk or "Ramonescore" bubble has a very active scene and shows, tons of vinyl, and podcasts to hear about new stuff. The #s are small, but it remains vibrant.
yes without a doubt. i got into a local punk/DIY scene around 2000 and was big into that for a solid 10-15 years. tons of bands, shows, albums, releases, etc. i barely paid attentiont to modern pop or rock or whatever they call it. i didn't listen to the radio unless it was college. some of my friends got jobs DJing and i performed live on radio a few times. all of this was with guitars/bass/drums, standard rock setup. alternate music can entirely replace mainstream music, and in many ways, it's a far better replacement.

yet outside of the White Stripes and the Strokes there really has been nobody in the mainstream holding the torch for a long time. ultimately it comes down to that, if you are letting mainstream define what is music. just because mainstream media doesn't know of good music doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

for me, it never went away, there have always been interesting guitar based musicians, there still are. the MGMT and Andrew WK albums that came out last year were incredible, with lots of great Pink Floyd and Queen style classic rock between both those new albums. but still with a fresh approach.
I have nothing against smaller bands/lesser known scenes. It's just weird to me to see that the genre has no presence in pop culture in the late 2010s and beyond.
automation, largely. the rock bands of the 60s 70s and 80s all played their instruments. nowadays you can just make songs out of loops. that's what "modern rock" acts like Imagine Dragons do. it is a fundamentally anti-performance way to construct music, yet it is economically cheaper, so the industry favors it. why have a band run through a song for hours and hours getting better and better until they get the right performance when you can just program it all to be a perfect sterile robotic sequence in 30 minutes? you save time and money. yes, the performance is greatly simplified and reduced to a digital sequence, but it will still sell because it serves a primary function. that's the beauty of placement. it doesn't need to be good music.

there are many reasons why modern music is horrible, from favoritism to nepotism to production techniques (everything is over compressed these days, eliminating natural dynamics) to marketing, etc. one of the Grammy CEO's stepped down recently, saying there was massive favoritism in the industry. plus, the convenience has made artists lazy, or at the very least, making music has become too easy to do. music can be made by one person entirely on a laptop, without anyone else involved. this is great and freeing but it also results in a far less musical production than a song that is rehearsed and learned by a group of musicians that all perform it together. actual music still exists. it's just that the
"music industry" hasn't cared about music for decades (just look at the Universal fires).

IMO Nirvana actually did kill the music industry like Kurt Cobain wanted. but that's a story for another time.
 
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No. I'm not a big rock guy, and this is no longer a landscape where rock is influential in popular culture like when I grew up. There are still good rock bands though, it just doesn't seem like bands are what gets noticed anymore. And in a way, Post Malone, MGK and Travis Scott are making some pretty rock influenced stuff, you just wouldn't call them rock artists.
 
Check out Highly Suspect. Their latest album is a bit of a departure into hip hop (perhaps proving your point, lol), but their previous 2 albums had some good songs







 
Let's name drop some bands. Check them out. Lots of cool current stuff.


- Killakoi
- Ice Nine Kills
- Twelve Foot NInja
- Nothing More
- Hands Like Houses
- The Black Moods
- Badflower
- Art of Dying
- Rival Sons
- BRKN LOVE
- The Dirty Nil
- Sleep Token
- Dinosaur Pile-Up
- Royal Bliss
- A Killer's Confession
- Bad Wolves
- Chout
- Black Smoke Trigger
 
Not when the majority of shit on Spotify and Bandcamp is classifiable as "rock" or some form of it.

Billboard charts are intentionally homogenized in tandem with the big labels. It's musical group-think so the Big 3 can gatekeep and control American culture to maximize profit margins.
 
Is there any band thats as popular in pop culture as lets say Nirvana? Nine Inch Nails? Peral Jam? U2? G N R? How about some even later bands Greenday, Limp Bizkit, Korn. And thats not even going into the 70's or 80's.
 
Who knows what biases the Billboard audience has. If you are playing music you own for example, you are not giving them a single data point.


Also, great rock is made every day.

 
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