Is There Any Possibility an American Economic Revolution Will Occur in our Lifetime?

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Every week it seems there's a new article about a company reaming its low-level employees and blue-collar workers for everything they can get. This week it was Dr Pepper, though there have been countless previous examples in the last several years. Meanwhile, CEO's salaries continue increasing exponentially over the common employee's every year. After the 2007/2008 bailouts it was revealed that much of the public funding financial institutions and the automotive industries received went towards high-ranking company officials rather than expanded hiring or production costs. Americans continue to have one of the shortest vacation periods amongst first-world countries, yet are expected to handle more varied tasks and larger workloads as the company payroll and roster of employees dwindles as a result of unemployment.

My question is, when, if ever, will Americans stand up for themselves? There are bi-weekly strikes in almost all Western European countries, not to mention increased Union activity. Their employees are treated to public healthcare rather than being expected to pay for their health out of pocket. Public programs aren't faced with large-scale public derision like they are here.

John Steinbeck once wrote "Fear the time when the bombs stop falling while the bombers live--for every bomb is proof that the spirit has not died. And fear the time when the strikes stop while the great owners live--for every little beaten strike is proof that the step is being taken."

The bombs continue to drop, but the strikes have all stopped. And the bombs are no longer in the name of a peaceful survival of mankind--they're for personal gain and an ideology that has already failed us: democratic capitalism.

Have Americans forever abandoned protest and strike lines? In the global economy, have we lost the will to fight against the monstrous corporate entities that control our lives? Or will someone, someday say enough is enough and raise the specter of labor protests from the early 20th century?
 
No, we're a decidedly right-of-center country which protects, but does not value, worker's rights.

The changes in the balance of wealth will have to be incremental, or else we'll have a hissy fit on our hands.
 
It is occurring right now. Those stories you read every week are part of the revolution against the working class.
 
The day workers rise up, they'll be branded terrorists.

Big business has done such an excellent job demonizing communism and unions that the left is hard to get started up.
 
Isnt everything slightly against the status quo two steps shy of communism in the USA?

I mean socialism man...fear it
 
arstal said:
The day workers rise up, they'll be branded terrorists.

Big business has done such an excellent job demonizing communism and unions that the left is hard to get started up.

communism has done an excellent job 'demonizing' communism
 
ToxicAdam said:
Sure, if energy prices shoot sky high and corporations are forced to become regional entities again.

Stole my answer. Relocalization on a huge scale would be one hell of a fascinating process to watch. There's going to be lots of pain associated with the process.
 
Freedom isn't free


Serious answer; IMO Americans are lulled into not realizing how shittacular life in America has become, largely because we are a consumerist society and we can buy so much cheap shit compared to other countries. Even though median income is stagnant, social services are spotty and catastrophic bankruptcy and job instability is around the corner for a lot of people; when you are able to walk into Walmart and buy an HDTV for $349, there is a certain sense of stability that brings to your life. I guess eventually the bubble will burst; but who knows.
 
Goya said:
communism has done an excellent job 'demonizing' communism

Well, what was called communism has done an excellent job of it.

I don't think Marx would have considered the Russians communist.

The only way I think our current system can hold up is if we get massive technological innovations to improve everyone's life- such as fusion power.
 
no way. people have been conditioned to much to love the rich here. I mean republicans are all falling all over each other to give them even more money.
 
lawblob said:
Freedom isn't free


Serious answer; IMO Americans are lulled into not realizing how shittacular life in America has become, largely because we are a consumerist society and we can buy so much cheap shit compared to other countries. Even though median income is stagnant, social services are spotty and catastrophic bankruptcy and job instability is around the corner for a lot of people; when you are able to walk into Walmart and buy an HDTV for $349, there is a certain sense of stability that brings to your life. I guess eventually the bubble will burst; but who knows.

yep, and rioting and political demagoguery will solve all those problems.
 
ronito said:
no way. people have been conditioned to much to love the rich here. I mean republicans are all falling all over each other to give them even more money.

Yeah. And while the lefties have the will to revolt, it's the righties that have all the guns.
 
Goya said:
yep, and rioting and political demagoguery will solve all those problems.

Oh, I definitely believe that not changing our behavior will result in a natural change in the marketplace. You know, free markets.
 
Too many unions have become just as corrupt as the higher ups in corporations. So if by 'economic revolution' you mean 'unions for everyone' then I hope to Christ we never see it.
 
PantherLotus said:
Oh, I definitely believe that not changing our behavior will result in a natural change in the marketplace. You know, free markets.

i think you're smart enough to realize this, but reform (correcting market failure, putting into place sensible regulations, providing public goods, toying with the distribution of wealth) and revolution are far from being the same thing. i'm extremely shocked that people still believe in the desirability of revolution, as if radicalism and Marxism were not totally discredited already
 
Nope. Loose/free trade automatically prevents build up for a revolution of that type. Even if many US companies are not going to let go of the American workforce, the threat of it is enough to keep workers in line.

Also, with more investments by more people, we become our own worst enemy. We want better pay and services for ourselves, but we balk at making sure everyone else gets those perks- whether in regards to investments or healthcare.

The increases in my retirement accounts are a result of greedy corporations keeping costs in line by holding back wages, layoffs, and hiring workers abroad.
 
Goya said:
i think you're smart enough to realize this, but reform (correcting market failure, putting into place sensible regulations, providing public goods, toying with the distribution of wealth) and revolution are far from being the same thing. i'm extremely shocked that people still believe in the desirability of revolution, as if radicalism and Marxism were not totally discredited already

I'm against revolutions as they generally require both extreme hardship and violence to be realized.
 
Taibbi put it well

In no other country do people genuinely love their bosses the way Americans do. They'll go home after 12 hard hours of capricious superiors peeing in their faces, and the very first thing they'll do is call up some talk radio show and denounce the graduated income tax that gives them a break at their bosses' expense. In other countries bosses need to constantly fend off revolts and strikes; in America people tune in by the millions to cheer on an impetuous, bloated asshole like Donald Trump as he ritualistically fires a succession of sheepish sacrificial stand-ins who are clearly chosen for their resemblance to the target demographic. And The Apprentice was just one of many reality shows where people literally jack off to their own job insecurity!
 
If by revolution you mean the total ousting of the dems and republicans from office, then possibly. I think the best way to accomplish this is to never vote for an incumbent, no matter what the party. When congress is getting completely recycled every election, they will get the god damn hint.
 
I think we're more headed for some kind of global revolution, honestly. Sure, there are a lot of ways it could be averted, but there are two issues in the world today that are going to collide head on in the next hundred years or so: ballooning population and increased automation of labor.
Between them you get a lot of young people (especially in China, India, and the Middle East, although certainly in America) living in near poverty with absolutely nothing to do with their lives and no way to make a living, filled with youthful thoughts of "I need to change the world".

Even with (if) government subsided "here's enough to get by" welfare, that's one messy hot cauldron that I can see exploding.
 
Goya said:
Marxism were not totally discredited already

Communism in USSR and Marx's teaching had pretty much nothing in common. Marx would be bitter and ashamed if he lived to the day when his words were perverted and used for what he has always feared and despised.
 
Jenga said:
is the real america or some sort of bizarro america where people love their bosses

because I sure as fuck don't see that

Read it again. He's not saying people consciously love their bosses, he is saying that people put the "upper class" on a pedestal, which can be interpreted as love. They benefit the most from the country: it's resources (including manpower) and infrastructure.

The lower classes are (literally!) left to die because americans react in an agressive knee-jerk manner to anything that has even a hint of socialism.

That's some spectacular PR.
 
There's always a breaking point and a true free market will adjust itself. The manner in which this happens is the question.

I could honestly see a lot of companies going private or deciding to stay there.
 
the Left does not exist in the US but the media loves using that word ''LEFT''

if you point to people such as Dennis Kucinnich and Bernie Sanders as LEFT; you won't be going very far

the US is one of the most Right-Wing nations on Earth.

Democrats are Right of Center........ not Left at all
 
CrunchyB said:
Read it again. He's not saying people consciously love their bosses, he is saying that people put the "upper class" on a pedestal, which can be interpreted as love. They benefit the most from the country: it's resources (including manpower) and infrastructure.

The lower classes are (literally!) left to die because americans react in an agressive knee-jerk manner to anything that has even a hint of socialism.

That's some spectacular PR.

It isn't PR as much as enough people know someone who transferred from middle to upper class that enough people feel that it can be done. America likes a winner, someone who earned their money by being smart and hardworking. That is just part of our culture.
 
It was considered taboo when Clinton & Obama gave support to belonging to a union during their primaries. Unions = communism as far as US politics are concerned, even though your employees are some of the worst treated in the first world.

I mean just look at this thread with comments where bringing in unions apparently means riots like it's the France in the 1800s.
 
CrunchyB said:
Read it again. He's not saying people consciously love their bosses, he is saying that people put the "upper class" on a pedestal, which can be interpreted as love.
That makes sense. Still don't see it though. If anything all I see is hate and envy. Which could be described as a sick sense of love however!
 
turnbuckle said:
It is occurring right now. Those stories you read every week are part of the revolution against the working class.
:lol Nicely done.

I really am a strong believer that something has to give in our lifetime.
 
lawblob said:
Freedom isn't free


Serious answer; IMO Americans are lulled into not realizing how shittacular life in America has become, largely because we are a consumerist society and we can buy so much cheap shit compared to other countries. Even though median income is stagnant, social services are spotty and catastrophic bankruptcy and job instability is around the corner for a lot of people; when you are able to walk into Walmart and buy an HDTV for $349, there is a certain sense of stability that brings to your life. I guess eventually the bubble will burst; but who knows.

This, cheap electronics and consumer goods, credit, and a dvr/internet to lull you to sleep makes everything seem peachy for us yanks.

I'm just planning to make sure I end up in the top 10% and not the bottom 90. Sorry middle class gaf, I'll trickle some pennies down to you in the future.
 
The_Technomancer said:
I think we're more headed for some kind of global revolution, honestly. Sure, there are a lot of ways it could be averted, but there are two issues in the world today that are going to collide head on in the next hundred years or so: ballooning population and increased automation of labor.

As far as ballooning population goes, I see trouble mainly on the resources side of the equation. Water and oil, specifically. We're going to see some really, really nasty squabbles over resources in the future.
 
The restrictions on business the OP wants will only drive them to China faster. We would become a country of consistent 10% unemployment (and much worse in a Recession), whereas today it takes a disaster to reach 10% unemployment.
 
Any time soon? Not likely. You only need to look at the public employee unions being busted and attacked while the banks rake in bigger profits than before the recession. Hell, the "liberal" NYT has been running a constant stream of attack articles on teachers unions for the last couple of years.
 
We're not going to see a revolution in America basically ever but hopefully we can do away with the silly religion of Reaganism and the patently absurd and wicked idea that you can never raise taxes no matter what. We need a New Deal 2.0, not a revolution.
 
SlipperySlope said:
The restrictions on business the OP wants will only drive them to China faster. We would become a country of consistent 10% unemployment (and much worse in a Recession), whereas today it takes a disaster to reach 10% unemployment.

We're at 10% unemployment.
 
I can't wait for America's homelessness rate to skyrocket next generation after Social Security is stripped bare and every company has stopped offering pensions and matching 401k contributions
 
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