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Is there anyway to keep Cox from knowing whats on my Hard drive?
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Marty Chinn
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Say what?
Outcast2004
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Do they even have the RIGHT to track what you've downloaded? to me it seems a bit od an invasion of privacy.
RaymondCarver
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"This broadcast cannot be recorded or re-transmitted in any form." --something like that w/ © law is broadcast for American football games as well as most other broadcasts.
Publishing is defined by displaying something to one person or more.
So, there's ways to encrypt your drive and information. PM me, and I'll know by December. There is one of my neighbors back home, a resident hacker-type guy, which showed me his encryption.
Whatever he uses, the U.S. Depart of Defense doesn't like it because it's got random keys generated by it. Supposedly, the U.S. doesn't like it because they can't crack it. In fact, noone can, or it's next to impossible.
I don't know about this stuff because I don't work at an ISP anymore, but I know a little about the theory of how it works. I just haven't tried to make this stuff in five years because I don't really have any content to protect thusly.
Publishing is defined by displaying something to one person or more.
So, there's ways to encrypt your drive and information. PM me, and I'll know by December. There is one of my neighbors back home, a resident hacker-type guy, which showed me his encryption.
Whatever he uses, the U.S. Depart of Defense doesn't like it because it's got random keys generated by it. Supposedly, the U.S. doesn't like it because they can't crack it. In fact, noone can, or it's next to impossible.
I don't know about this stuff because I don't work at an ISP anymore, but I know a little about the theory of how it works. I just haven't tried to make this stuff in five years because I don't really have any content to protect thusly.
karasu
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I'm in Virginia, and I used bittorrent. I only say "Hard drive" because that's what the guy said, but I wouldn't really know how they went about finding out. He did tell me to take it out of my share folder, but he could have just been speaking based on his knowledge of how P2P works. Fuuuuuuuuck outsourcing too.
Phoenix
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karasu said:
You don't have a legal right to edit (100% of them remove the commercials) someone elses content and then republish it without their concent. That is actually a copyright law violation. If you downloaded that with torrent you both copied AND distributed that content to others as well, which is also against current copyright law.
Lets get this clear once and for all. In terms of what people refer to as "fair use" that only covers you being able to make copies for YOURSELF! You CANNOT under any circumstances DISTRIBUTE it to others legally. Fair Use refers to YOUR use.
karasu
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Phoenix said:
Then everybody on the face of the earth witha Tv and VCR is a pirate, so who gives a fuck. I have a tape full of old X-men episodes ( without commercials) and I lent it to my brother, sue me.
Anyway, I'm not debating whether it's against their copyright laws. Thats obvious. They don't even want you to Fast Forward past trailers on your DVD's.
Phoenix
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karasu said:
No, because the vast majority people who have VCRs don't make multiple copies of the content and distribute them. A VCR makes a single copy which is yours and you can loan YOUR copy to someone else. At that point you are deprived of YOUR copy until that person returns it to you.
But if its obviously against copyright law - you're willing to roll the dice. You crapped out on this one. Move over to DSL and roll again.
karasu
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Phoenix said:
yeah, how many people can I lend it to before they call it illegal distribution, where my lending of the material replaces the sale of the work? Or is it illegal simply because I didn't record the commercials? Not that I really care either way.
Whos complaining? I'm trying to become a more competitive player, that's all.
Phoenix
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karasu said:
When you make a copy for yourself you can choose to not copy the commercials or whatever. Its a personal copy so that is up to you. However when you start getting into distribution/rebroadcast of it, a modified copy without the original copyright owners consent in prohibited by law. As far as how many people you can lend your copy to - you can lend it to however many you want, so long as you are lending your copy and are deprived of it while its lent out. Where people cross the line is when they copy their copy and give it to a friend so the friend can enjoy it and also keep the original copy. This is no longer a fair use issue. Same goes for CDs. You can loan your CD to a bagillion people, but they can't all burn it and claim it to be a fair use of the original media. This is where the whole distribution of TV shows and everything breaks out from fair use and becomes piracy. Its no longer one copy being shared with a friend (which is protected). It is one copy being mass duplicated.
If you had a friend who saved the show to his machine - that's legal. If he transferred it to you and removed all traces of it from his machine such that only one copy still remains - that is indeed legal. BitTorrent by nature breaks this because its a 'share with the world model'. Unless you write your own torrent client that is broken and won't work well, you have no choice but to share with everyone else looking for that content on the network. In addition the original seeder also keeps his copy. In effect it is a blatant mass duplication system which is not protected.
And I'm trying to help you
You've got to understand the legality of what you're dealing with less you be unable to defend yourself if you're performing some LEGAL activity and receive the bitch-slap from your comms provider. I mean I've downloaded some TV shows myself because I've missed episodes of shows. Would make an infinite amount of sense for the content providers to PROVIDE this content in a legal manner with commercials or whatever so that people have a legal mechanism through which to acquire this content. Nevertheless, they haven't done so so we're all rolling the dice - despite the fact that its arguable that the content provider has suffered no actual damages (hint hint) in the process.[]5:43:21[] <JasonA> I really want to reply to this thread
[]5:46:59[] <JasonA> everyone's assuming Cox is monitoring the guys connection
[]5:47:12[] <JasonA> it's not Cox, it's the movie/TV studios
[]5:47:20[] <JasonA> and they're not invading his privacy
[]5:47:33[] <JasonA> when he's on BT he broadcasted his IP
[]5:47:55[] <JasonA> people are so dumb sometimes, they think that they're anonymous on the net
[]5:48:26[] <JasonA> if you're downloading something, your IP address has to be revealed to the computer you're downloading from
[]5:48:31[] <JasonA> so it can find you
[]5:48:41[] <JasonA> in BitTorrent, everyone's d/ling from each otehr
[]5:48:54[] <JasonA> so, anyone who wants to find IP addresses of infringers just has to join the torrent
[]5:48:55[] <JasonA> bam
[]5:48:58[] <JasonA> IPs galore
[]5:49:10[] <JasonA> Moose: feel free to post that
And that happened with my sister, too. Universal Studios caught my sister downloading a movie, contacted her college, and they shut down her internet. So...
And really, how are TV shows and movies that different?
[]5:46:59[] <JasonA> everyone's assuming Cox is monitoring the guys connection
[]5:47:12[] <JasonA> it's not Cox, it's the movie/TV studios
[]5:47:20[] <JasonA> and they're not invading his privacy
[]5:47:33[] <JasonA> when he's on BT he broadcasted his IP
[]5:47:55[] <JasonA> people are so dumb sometimes, they think that they're anonymous on the net
[]5:48:26[] <JasonA> if you're downloading something, your IP address has to be revealed to the computer you're downloading from
[]5:48:31[] <JasonA> so it can find you
[]5:48:41[] <JasonA> in BitTorrent, everyone's d/ling from each otehr
[]5:48:54[] <JasonA> so, anyone who wants to find IP addresses of infringers just has to join the torrent
[]5:48:55[] <JasonA> bam
[]5:48:58[] <JasonA> IPs galore
[]5:49:10[] <JasonA> Moose: feel free to post that
And that happened with my sister, too. Universal Studios caught my sister downloading a movie, contacted her college, and they shut down her internet. So...
And really, how are TV shows and movies that different?
<JasonA> everyone's assuming Cox is monitoring the guys connection
<Moose> JASONA!
<JasonA> it's not Cox, it's the movie/TV studios
<Moose> I shall post and represent you if wanted
<JasonA> and they're not invading his privacy
<JasonA> when he's on BT he broadcasted his IP
<Orin_Shave> well, gotta go back to my plant where pirated dvd'd are made by illegal minor chinese children to whom i pay with counterfiet money made by stolen counterfiet money making machines
<Moose> JASONA!
<JasonA> it's not Cox, it's the movie/TV studios
<Moose> I shall post and represent you if wanted
<JasonA> and they're not invading his privacy
<JasonA> when he's on BT he broadcasted his IP
<Orin_Shave> well, gotta go back to my plant where pirated dvd'd are made by illegal minor chinese children to whom i pay with counterfiet money made by stolen counterfiet money making machines
ZombieSupaStar
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Doth Togo said:
hey doth ive got a question....
I never understood the rationale behind its ok to download just dont share anything, we hear from the mpaa riaa, unless its to make everyone not share and thus no piracy....
O_O im a fast one!
ZombieSupaStar said:
It's not good to download or upload. It's just that the software that's used to monitor the Internet can only find you if you are sharing. There is software that can identify downloaders...but it's used by The Man moreso than the private sector.
If you share, you've already been identified, regardless if you think you're a badass and are cloaking an IP address. It's much easier to get past that than you think.
Phoenix
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Doth Togo said:
The only way around it is to use a bootleg torrent client that only downloads and never uploads
Either that or use some poor souls exploited Windows box. And damn there are many of them out there - just turn on a webserver NOT WINDOWS BASED - and look for requests from other zombie machines trying to exploit your box. These machines (while sometimes honeypots - check the IP bank to know where they are coming from) are usually so poor saps Windows XP box that is plugged right into the damn internet with no firewall.Not that I've ever done that, but I certainly know how to should that need arise
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Some things i've noticed
Since cable shares connections, they are pickier about you using bandwidth. IE, they bitch more. DSL does not have this problem. But thats not to say DSL providers don't put their nose where it does not belong.
Also, this is the first case i've ever heard of someone complaining about downloading TV SHOWS!
Since cable shares connections, they are pickier about you using bandwidth. IE, they bitch more. DSL does not have this problem. But thats not to say DSL providers don't put their nose where it does not belong.
Also, this is the first case i've ever heard of someone complaining about downloading TV SHOWS!
Get ready to hear a hell of a lot more about it. The TV cartel is upping their monitoring and copyright enforcement, since the MPAA is getting away with it.Suikoguy said:
They should all just give in and accept the changes their industries are going to have to go through. Their main problem with TV-trading is the sponsors (the people who buy the commercial time) are not getting their dollar's worth, since the commercials are cut out of the traded TV shows. This hurts the networks, since they can't charge as much for commercial time. This in turn hurts the producers of the show, since the show is not as valuable to the network as it used to be.
What needs to happen is the same thing that offset MP3 trading a bit - the content producers and networks need to assemble some form of online distribution. Either charge people to watch TV shows over the net, or put commercials into the show and create customized player software that will not allow skipping the ads.
Steve Jobs needs to get off his butt and make it happen.
Fixed2BeBroken
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karasu said:
Oh shit !
what part of VA? 7 cities?
i was in bad newz forever and had cox and never got a damn strike and i downloaded ALOT OF shit...using bittorrent and other stuff....
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oh shit! you in bad newz too?
lol...what part? i WAS around over there by the duct.
peace
karasu
Member
Really?? I grew up in the duct. Now I'm in the Harbors.
I have no Warez or anything like that though. I don't even ordinarily download Tv shows, I'm a movie kinda guy. I only wanted to check out Lost, Arrested Development, and Dead Like Me since I've heard good things. I got hosed.
I have no Warez or anything like that though. I don't even ordinarily download Tv shows, I'm a movie kinda guy. I only wanted to check out Lost, Arrested Development, and Dead Like Me since I've heard good things. I got hosed.
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