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[Cooter]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041008/ap_on_re_mi_ea/egypt_explosion_9

Does anyone else see where this is going?

 

[DopeyFish]

Yeah, Yahoo will soon be buying a dictionary or something. Osama bin Laden must be sighing in relief that Al Qaeda isn't getting blamed.

 

[enjoy bell woods]

Blah.

 

[Chopin Trusty Balls]

Well its probobly local Egyptian group connected to Al kaida,doubt Hamas&co have the balls to shit into Egypts bowl.

 

[Cooter]

Here's how I see the next 10-20 years playing out.

It will become clear that Muslim Extremists must be eradicated off the face of the earth because of a horrendous nuclear attack on the USA, Israel or Great Britain. At this point the PC war we are attempting to fight by limiting civilian casualties will go out the door and many deaths will occur.

The United States, Russia, Israel and Great Britain will launch a major offensive on the likes of Iran, Syria and possibly Saudi Arabia. This will be known as World War three.

It's sad but I fear inevitable.

Unless of course, Iraqi democracy takes hold and sparks a major revolution throughout the Middle East.

Lets pray for the latter.

 

[iapetus]

Yeah, Yahoo will soon be buying a dictionary or something. Osama bin Laden must be sighing in relief that Al Qaeda isn't getting blamed.

Insisting on a single spelling for a transliteration isn't a sensible thing to do. Both spellings are valid transliterations and widely used.

 

[DopeyFish]

it's the first i've seen it.

 

[Baron Aloha]

Yeah, Yahoo will soon be buying a dictionary or something. Osama bin Forgotten must be sighing in relief that Al Qaeda isn't getting blamed.

Fixed

 

[Dilbert]

Here's how I see the next 10-20 years playing out.

It will become clear that Muslim Extremists must be eradicated off the face of the earth because of a horrendous nuclear attack on the USA, Israel or Great Britain. At this point the PC war we are attempting to fight by limiting civilian casualties will go out the door and many deaths will occur.

The United States, Russia, Israel and Great Britain will launch a major offensive on the likes of Iran, Syria and possibly Saudi Arabia. This will be known as World War three.

It's sad but I fear inevitable.

Unless of course, Iraqi democracy takes hold and sparks a major revolution throughout the Middle East.

Lets pray for the latter.

That is the most paranoid, vaguely racist rant that I've heard in quite some time. CONGRATULATIONS!

 

[Cooter]

That is the most paranoid, vaguely racist rant that I've heard in quite some time. CONGRATULATIONS!

Vaguely racist? Please explain.

True it might be a bit paranoid but if one of the countries I mentioned get's hit by a nuke how do you see things going?

 

[Dilbert]

Vaguely racist? Please explain.

True it might be a bit paranoid but if one of the countries I mentioned get's hit by a nuke how do you see things going?

First: Why do you think that all the Muslim extremists happen to be in Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia? There are plenty of them in other parts of the world -- including, by the way, former Soviet republics.

Second: Christian fundamentalists have just as much potential for terrorism as Muslim ones.

Third: Why are you assuming that there will be a nuclear terrorist strike, and why would the invasion of three-plus countries be a proper response to such an attack? In case you haven't gotten the message yet -- terrorists don't have countries.

 

[Cauliflower of Love]

Here's how I see the next 10-20 years playing out.

It will become clear that Muslim Extremists must be eradicated off the face of the earth because of a horrendous nuclear attack on the USA, Israel or Great Britain. At this point the PC war we are attempting to fight by limiting civilian casualties will go out the door and many deaths will occur.

The United States, Russia, Israel and Great Britain will launch a major offensive on the likes of Iran, Syria and possibly Saudi Arabia. This will be known as World War three.

It's sad but I fear inevitable.

Unless of course, Iraqi democracy takes hold and sparks a major revolution throughout the Middle East.

Lets pray for the latter.

JT is back!

 

[DarienA]

Here's how I see the next 10-20 years playing out.

It will become clear that Muslim Extremists must be eradicated off the face of the earth because of a horrendous nuclear attack on the USA, Israel or Great Britain. At this point the PC war we are attempting to fight by limiting civilian casualties will go out the door and many deaths will occur.

The United States, Russia, Israel and Great Britain will launch a major offensive on the likes of Iran, Syria and possibly Saudi Arabia. This will be known as World War three.

It's sad but I fear inevitable.

Unless of course, Iraqi democracy takes hold and sparks a major revolution throughout the Middle East.

Lets pray for the latter.

Cooter I think you should stick strictly to your ridiculous US political election threads/rants.... it seems like when you expand your boundaries your already goofy claims just degenerate into the 100% pure absolute rants of a someone who should be wrapped up in a jacket and locked far away from society.

I'm just sayin...

 

[Cooter]

First: Why do you think that all the Muslim extremists happen to be in Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia? There are plenty of them in other parts of the world -- including, by the way, former Soviet republics.

Second: Christian fundamentalists have just as much potential for terrorism as Muslim ones.

Third: Why are you assuming that there will be a nuclear terrorist strike, and why would the invasion of three-plus countries be a proper response to such an attack? In case you haven't gotten the message yet -- terrorists don't have countries.

Lets get real here jinx. No doubt Muslim extremists are in other countries but this hate is breed in the Middle East and those countries I mentioned in particular. Enough with the PC language, this disease comes from the Middle East and that is where it must be cured.

I don't know what to say about your second point. Granted Christian extremists might have the potential for terrorism but until they organize like Muslim extremists have this argument is irrelevant.

Why do I assume a nuclear terrorist strike? Maybe because that is the most devastating way to hit America and I assume that is their number one goal, to cripple America.

EDIT:

Cooter I think you should stick strictly to your ridiculous US political election threads/rants.... it seems like when you expand your boundaries your already goofy claims just degenerate into the 100% pure absolute rants of a someone who should be wrapped up in a jacket and locked far away from society.

If you don't see a major battle between the west and Muslim extremists coming then I don't know what to say. I'm sure if someone predicted WWI and II a full 10-20 years prior they would call him crazy also.

War is part of life. For anyone to think otherwise they should be wrapped up in a jacket.

Like I said, if freedom were to spread this scenario could be avoided but the path we are going on now is not good. The hate in many Arab countries is just growing.

 

[Chrono]

Lets get real here jinx. No doubt Muslim extremists are in other countries but this hate is breed in the Middle East and those countries I mentioned in particular. Enough with the PC language, this disease comes from the Middle East and that is where it must be cured.

... And how is invading them will change that? Will they suddenly declare their love for America like in Iraq?

 

[Cooter]

And how is invading them will change that? Will they suddenly declare their love for America like in Iraq?

No, not right away.

After 10 or 20 years of growing up with improved schools, medicine and freedom, attitudes will change. Look at Germany and Japan. Last time I checked Germany is no longer seeking control of Europe and Japan is not thinking of attacking Los Angeles.

It's been grand guys.

Everyone watch the debate tonight.

Later......

 

[sc0la]

No, not right away.

After 10 or 20 years of growing up with improved schools, medicine and freedom, attitudes will change. Look at Germany and Japan. Last time I checked Germany is no longer seeking control of Europe and Japan is not thinking of attacking Los Angeles.

It's been grand guys.

Everyone watch the debate tonight.

Later......

They have bombs that grow shools now? Cool! /sarcasm.

 

[Incognito]

you should be banned for this shit.

 

[ConfusingJazz]

Lets get real here jinx. No doubt Muslim extremists are in other countries but this hate is breed in the Middle East and those countries I mentioned in particular. Enough with the PC language, this disease comes from the Middle East and that is where it must be cured.

I don't know what to say about your second point. Granted Christian extremists might have the potential for terrorism but until they organize like Muslim extremists have this argument is irrelevant.

Why do I assume a nuclear terrorist strike? Maybe because that is the most devastating way to hit America and I assume that is their number one goal, to cripple America.

EDIT:



If you don't see a major battle between the west and Muslim extremists coming then I don't know what to say. I'm sure if someone predicted WWI and II a full 10-20 years prior they would call him crazy also.

War is part of life. For anyone to think otherwise they should be wrapped up in a jacket.

Like I said, if freedom were to spread this scenario could be avoided but the path we are going on now is not good. The hate in many Arab countries is just growing.

I will keep that in mind, as I remember you as Crazy-Ass McCrazy.

 

[Dilbert]

Lets get real here jinx. No doubt Muslim extremists are in other countries but this hate is breed in the Middle East and those countries I mentioned in particular. Enough with the PC language, this disease comes from the Middle East and that is where it must be cured.

I'm sorry, but that's just disgusting. Hate is bred everywhere...and I can see that you have a healthy dose of it where you live, too.

I don't know what to say about your second point. Granted Christian extremists might have the potential for terrorism but until they organize like Muslim extremists have this argument is irrelevant.

Terrorists usually organize into small groups, and it doesn't make them any less dangerous. I mean, it only took two people to pull off the Oklahoma City bombing, right? And their ideology had nothing to do with religion. What makes you think that eradicating all of the "Muslim extremists" would make you any safer?

Why do I assume a nuclear terrorist strike? Maybe because that is the most devastating way to hit America and I assume that is their number one goal, to cripple America.

It's also one of the most difficult ways to strike, and there are far more effective and meaningful ways to cause a huge impact to the country -- and by "country," they usually mean "economy." Bombing a couple of malls would do massive damage to the economy. Heck, I worry about a coordinated attack on Southern California during fire season. If a couple of dumbass hunters can get lost, start a signal fire, and cause billions of dollars in damage...what do you think a team of arsonists could pull off? The most "devastating" way to hit America may very well be a series of small acts.

If you don't see a major battle between the west and Muslim extremists coming then I don't know what to say. I'm sure if someone predicted WWI and II a full 10-20 years prior they would call him crazy also.

As a matter of fact, I DON'T see that battle taking place. It is absolutely frightening that you think the only possible way of dealing with another culture is war.

 

[Drinky Crow]

I would love to see Cooter's resume as a foreign affairs expert on the Middle East and terrorism in general.

Right now, I'm guessing he's just another armchair chickenhawk whose daily meanderings through the rotting racist and hyperpatriotic pastures of Little Green Footballs and the Free Republic have him jonesed up and paranoid.

 

[DarienA]

If you don't see a major battle between the west and Muslim extremists coming then I don't know what to say. I'm sure if someone predicted WWI and II a full 10-20 years prior they would call him crazy also.

War is part of life. For anyone to think otherwise they should be wrapped up in a jacket.

Like I said, if freedom were to spread this scenario could be avoided but the path we are going on now is not good. The hate in many Arab countries is just growing.

You have no facts you can use to support this... citizens of ME countries have been going through up and down periods of dislike of the US for years. In all reality the US relations with the ME governments is about the same as it usually is... average to bad.

That part hasn't really changed.

 

[Pimpwerx]

Al-Qaeda is a convenient enemy these days. It used to be that you could blame communism for everything. I'm glad we have a new super-villain to peg all the world's ills on. Balding? It's Al-Qaeda's fault. Erectile dysfunction? Al-Qaeda stole your mojo, baby. Al-Qaeda: for all your fear-mongering needs. PEACE.

 

[Cherubae]

Granted Christian extremists might have the potential for terrorism but until they organize like Muslim extremists have this argument is irrelevant.

They're called "Anti Abortion Activists". Some go to the extreme to blow up clinics and kill doctors, yet for some reason they're not labeled as terrorists.

 

[Ripclawe]

While I don't share Cooter's worst case scenario views, there is an element of truth and a reality in this particular sentence.

No doubt Muslim extremists are in other countries but this hate is breed in the Middle East and those countries I mentioned in particular.

I'm sorry, but that's just disgusting. Hate is bred everywhere...and I can see that you have a healthy dose of it where you live, too.

The Middle East Media Research Institute is invaluable in keeping track of what is being said in the Middle East by clerics, teachers, leaders that is not covered in western Media, one country left out is Egypt in places that teaches hate.

http://www.memri.org/sd.html

Egyptian Intellectual: Al-Azhar University Curricula Encourage Extremism and Terrorism

Former Editor-in-Chief of Egyptian Government Paper: 'We were Educated from Childhood that the Holocaust is a Big Lie'

Leading Egyptian Journalist: The Jews are Behind Every Disaster or Terrorist Act

Saudi Columnist: 'We Have Bred Monsters … We Are the Problem and Not America'

Arab Liberal Writer: Blames Arab Media for Hatred of the U.S.


and there are many others.

Saudi Arabia is absolutely up to its neck in teaching hatred that has been exported out to other countries and has done more in the last 40 years to bred extreminism.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/analyses/wahhabism.html

Can you show me an example of what the [religious teaching is in the schools?

Well, here, this is a book, hadif, for ninth grade. Hadif is a statement of Prophet Mohammed. This is a book that start for ninth graders. This is talking about the victory of Muslims over Jews. This is a hadif that I truly believe it's not true, as a Muslim:

"The day of judgment will not arrive until Muslims fight Jews, and Muslim will kill Jews until the Jew hides behind a tree or a stone. Then the tree and the stone will say, 'Oh Muslim, oh, servant of God, this is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him.' Except one type of a tree, which is a Jew tree. That will not say that." This is taught for 14-year-old boys in Saudi Arabia.

In middle schools...

In middle schools, yes. Official middle schools. This is a book printed by Saudi government Ministry of Education. (Ed. Note: read some excerpts from these textbooks.)

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=11190

By Ali Khalil - RIYADH

As Saudi kids head back to school on the ironic date of September 11, the kingdom is moving to reform its education system, dogged by Western claims it fuels extremism and incites hatred of other religions.

Some school officials defend the current curricula, while others acknowledge that it teaches children to frown upon non-Muslim faiths but doubt the system could be changed in the near future.

But the headmistress of an all-female state school said: "I don't think there's hope for change in the near future because Islamists control the education authority.

"All influential positions in the ministry of education are held by Islamists," she said, requesting anonymity.

"Our curricula is full of texts inciting hatred, not only towards other religions but also other Muslim sects," she added.

The sad irony is that Saudi Arabia didn't give a shit until the same children that grew up being taught this turned on them and started bombing up the place.

This is not hard to find online if you want to do more research, but its not something bred in each country, its the bigger middle east countries that export it throughout the region. Trinidad and Tobago got a dose of this nonsense after the failed coup and slowly I'm seeing these clerics and teaches being brought in to teach this nonsense that is corrupting Islam.

Second: Christian fundamentalists have just as much potential for terrorism as Muslim ones.

I have little fear from Christian fundamentalists and their "potential"

Abdel Rahman al-Rashed is general manager of Al- Arabiya news channel. Yesterday, his article appeared in the pan-Arabic newspaper Al-Sharq Al-Awsat

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/05/wosse605.xml

It is a certain fact that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is equally certain, and exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are Muslims.

The hostage-takers of children in Beslan, North Ossetia, were Muslims. The other hostage-takers and subsequent murderers of the Nepalese chefs and workers in Iraq were also Muslims. Those involved in rape and murder in Darfur, Sudan, are Muslims, with other Muslims chosen to be their victims.

Those responsible for the attacks on residential towers in Riyadh and Khobar were Muslims. The two women who crashed two airliners last week were also Muslims.

Bin Laden is a Muslim. The majority of those who manned the suicide bombings against buses, vehicles, schools, houses and buildings, all over the world, were Muslim.

...We cannot clear our names unless we own up to the shameful fact that terrorism has become an Islamic enterprise; an almost exclusive monopoly, implemented by Muslim men and women.

We cannot redeem our extremist youths, who commit all these heinous crimes, without confronting the Sheikhs who thought it ennobling to re-invent themselves as revolutionary ideologues, sending other people's sons and daughters to certain death, while sending their own children to European and American schools and colleges.

Third: Why are you assuming that there will be a nuclear terrorist strike, and why would the invasion of three-plus countries be a proper response to such an attack? In case you haven't gotten the message yet -- terrorists don't have countries.

That's the ultimate ambition is to get some kind of nuke, given the black market, they could possibly get a small nuke from the many places in the former USSR that has lax security. But its difficult and not practical at this time.

As a matter of fact, I DON'T see that battle taking place. It is absolutely frightening that you think the only possible way of dealing with another culture is war.

I see a lot of pushback in Europe where the demographics are shifting, its not often you see major politicians be so open about their fear of Islam.

http://www.euobserver.com/?sid=9&aid=17375

The river of Islam
According to the FT, Mr Sarkozy's comments follow a similar sceptical statement from French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin, who asked if Europe really wanted "the river of Islam to enter the riverbed of secularism".

Make no mistake there is a clash of Euro vs Islam going on in almost every european country, issues like the headscarf ban in France, You have campaigns in Italy "Italian MPs launch headscarf clampdown"

Switzerland had this

Swiss reject easing citizenship rules

Right-wing opponents argued the changes would undermine what it means to be Swiss. They drew widespread criticism over a referendum campaign that featured Osama bin Laden's photo on a Swiss ID card and advertisements claiming Switzerland could be taken over by Muslims.

Germany, who has conducted a ton of raids over the last year like this.

http://www.islamicawakening.com/viewnews.php?newsID=2335&

Saturday, July 24, 2004
German Police Raid Mosques
Source: AP

STUTTGART: Police raided mosques and Muslim community centres in two southern German states Friday in what authorities said was an attempt to learn more about extremist networks.

Some 400 police officers searched 18 buildings in Baden-Wuerttemberg, checking occupants’ papers as part of attempts to track Islamic extremists, the state Interior Ministry said in a statement.

“The goal is to continue an intensive fight against criminal Islamists and to uncover the networked structures of Islamic extremists and terrorists,” the statement said.

Authorities announced no arrests.

Also take note of Sweden, Norway, Belgium and Denmark.


Sweden
http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,529910,00.html

Malmø, Sweden. The police now publicly admit what many Scandinavians have known for a long time: They no longer control the situation in the nations's third largest city. It is effectively ruled by violent gangs of Muslim immigrants. Some of the Muslims have lived in the area of Rosengård, Malmø, for twenty years, and still don't know how to read or write Swedish. Ambulance personnel are attacked by stones or weapons, and refuse to help anybody in the area without police escort. The immigrants also spit at them when they come to help. Recently, an Albanian youth was stabbed by an Arab, and was left bleeding to death on the ground while the ambulance waited for the police to arrive. The police themselves hesitate to enter parts of their own city unless they have several patrols, and need to have guards to watch their cars, otherwise they will be vandalized. "Something drastic has to be done, or much more blood will be spilled" says one of the locals.

But the point is I don't see all out war, BUT if there is any place where you will see conflict faster is going to happen in Europe before any place else.

 

[iapetus]

It is a certain fact that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is equally certain, and exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are Muslims.

Spot on. This has always been true, and will always continue to be true. I'm glad the problems we faced here against the IRA (Irish Ramadan Army) and the ongoing problems in France and Spain with the Basque separatist group ETA (Euskadi ta Allah) are finally being recognised.

 

[Makura]

Second: Christian fundamentalists have just as much potential for terrorism as Muslim ones.

:lol

 

[Che]

Here's how I see the next 10-20 years playing out.

It will become clear that Muslim Extremists must be eradicated off the face of the earth because of a horrendous nuclear attack on the USA, Israel or Great Britain. At this point the PC war we are attempting to fight by limiting civilian casualties will go out the door and many deaths will occur.

The United States, Russia, Israel and Great Britain will launch a major offensive on the likes of Iran, Syria and possibly Saudi Arabia. This will be known as World War three.

It's sad but I fear inevitable.

Unless of course, Iraqi democracy takes hold and sparks a major revolution throughout the Middle East.

Lets pray for the latter.

OMG THE MADNESS!!!

 

[Ripclawe]

You have no facts you can use to support this... citizens of ME countries have been going through up and down periods of dislike of the US for years. In all reality the US relations with the ME governments is about the same as it usually is... average to bad.

That part hasn't really changed.

It's worst now than ever, What you are seeing now is the result of these teaching in a modern setting, before you would have infighting and terrorists acts but it was kept mostly in the region such as the six day way, Black September But given the way the world is, ease of travel, information and unfortunately a PC attitude, the teachings are being spread all over the world in the name of Islam and people are looking the other way. A perfect example of this happened in England.


http://dailyablution.blogs.com/the_daily_ablution/2004/10/busy_peter_tatc.html

Busy Peter Tatchell
Gay activist Peter Tatchell certainly has been busy this week. As noted here yesterday, Mayor Livingstone has taken offence to Tatchell's complaints about dissent-stifling with respect to the warmth of Ken's feeling for Yusuf al-Qaradawi, who isn't sure whether Mr. Tatchell and his ilk should be stoned, thrown from a high building, lashed or merely imprisoned.

For Livingstone, Tatchell's objections are part of "a wave of Islamophobia" - an observation that led Peter to answer with his own Guardian letter, which ends rather nicely:

"We fear for the future when sections of liberal and left opinion jettison human rights to side with the fundamentalist wing of Islam against its victims."

You have Red Ken defending an absolute piece of shit cleric in Yusuf Al- Qaradawi who has so far said

"It is obligatory on Muslim women to wear hijab (i.e., cover the whole body except the face and hands, and the feet according to some schools of jurisprudence)." (>>This is bullshit btw)

He says wife beating is okay.

Homosexual killing? It could be okay.

http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=100855

The eminent Muslim scholar Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, states:

"Almighty Allah has prohibited illegal sexual intercourse and homosexuality and all means that lead to either of them. This perverted act is a reversal of the natural order, a corruption of man's sexuality, and a crime against the rights of females.

The spread of this depraved practice in a society disrupts its natural life pattern and makes those who practice it slaves to their lusts, depriving them of decent taste, decent morals, and a decent manner of living.


"Muslim jurists hold different opinions concerning the punishment for this abominable practice. Should it be the same as the punishment for fornication, or should both the active and passive participants be put to death? While such punishments may seem cruel, they have been suggested to maintain the purity of the Islamic society and to keep it clean of perverted elements."

BUT this is where it gets really good, Tatchell(gay activist) gets bashed by the people below who you would think are smart enough to realize that the cleric that is being defended has no use for them and this is not a campaign against Islam, but a campaign against an individual who hates them, spreads hate. It would be funny if there wasn't a real world consequence to such stupidity.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,3604,1315826,00.html

We know that religious leaders of many other faiths would not agree with our stand on lesbian and gay or women's rights. Yet we see no similar scale of campaign being waged towards them.

Ken Livingstone has led the way in supporting lesbian and gay rights. Most recently he introduced the civil partnership register. We are proud to stand with Ken on racism, on lesbian and gay rights and against Islamophobia.

Milena Buyum
National Assembly Against Racism
Takhsin Begum
NUS Black LGB
Pav Akhtar
NUS black students officer
Denis Fernando
Lesbian and Gay Coalition Against Racism
Simon Woolley
Operation Black Vote
Karen Chouhan
1990 Trust

 

[Forsete]

Sweden
http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,529910,00.html

Malmø, Sweden. The police now publicly admit what many Scandinavians have known for a long time: They no longer control the situation in the nations's third largest city. It is effectively ruled by violent gangs of Muslim immigrants. Some of the Muslims have lived in the area of Rosengård, Malmø, for twenty years, and still don't know how to read or write Swedish. Ambulance personnel are attacked by stones or weapons, and refuse to help anybody in the area without police escort. The immigrants also spit at them when they come to help. Recently, an Albanian youth was stabbed by an Arab, and was left bleeding to death on the ground while the ambulance waited for the police to arrive. The police themselves hesitate to enter parts of their own city unless they have several patrols, and need to have guards to watch their cars, otherwise they will be vandalized. "Something drastic has to be done, or much more blood will be spilled" says one of the locals.

Umm, just so you know, thats not a direct translation of the article. Some things the translation brings up arent even mentioned in the orginal article. Where did you find the translation?

Btw, Rosengård = suburbs of Malmö.

 

[Cooter]

So many don't agree with me regarding the action that would follow a nuclear attack in America, Israel or Great Britain.

Fine.

Let's say a nuke is smuggled into Chicago and 75,000 people are killed. It is learned that a Muslim extremist group was behind the attack. It could be Al-Qaeda, Hamas or any other loosely connected group, it doesn’t matter.

What do you predict will proceed the coming years?

Accept the premise and answer truthfully.

 

[Incognito]

So many don't agree with me regarding the action that would follow a nuclear attack in America, Israel or Great Britain.

Fine.

Let's say a nuke is smuggled into Chicago and 75,000 people are killed. It is learned that a Muslim extremist group was behind the attack. It could be Al-Qaeda, Hamas or any other loosely connected group, it doesn’t matter.

What do you predict will proceed the coming years?

Accept the premise and answer truthfully.

wouldn't be hard to smuggle one in with the lack of security at our ports thanks to bush.

 

[Che]

Ripclawe you're a republican right? How dare you to talk about gay rights? If they do it they're evil, if you do it you're right, right? Well, of course you cannot kill gays but certain* republicans wish they all burn in hell.

*certain=most

 

[Ripclawe]

Umm, just so you know, thats not a direct translation of the article. Some things the translation brings up arent even mentioned in the orginal article. Where did you find the translation?

Btw, Rosengård = suburbs of Malmö.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15095

 

[Cooter]

wouldn't be hard to smuggle one in with the lack of security at our ports thanks to bush.

Why don't you try answering the question HalfPast?

 

[enjoy bell woods]

LETS ASSUME SPACE ALIENS BLOW THE WORLD UP AND EVERYONE DIES> THEN WHAT HUH

 

[Che]

So many don't agree with me regarding the action that would follow a nuclear attack in America, Israel or Great Britain.

Fine.

Let's say a nuke is smuggled into Chicago and 75,000 people are killed. It is learned that a Muslim extremist group was behind the attack. It could be Al-Qaeda, Hamas or any other loosely connected group, it doesn’t matter.

What do you predict will proceed the coming years?

Accept the premise and answer truthfully.

The funny thing is that I descry a wish for a nuclear attack on US, so that all muslims die after that.

 

[Chrono]

The funny thing is that I descry a wish for a nuclear attack on US, so that all muslims die after that.

Yeah me too...

 

[Cooter]

LETS ASSUME SPACE ALIENS BLOW THE WORLD UP AND EVERYONE DIES> THEN WHAT HUH

Lets assume you don't want to answer the question because you might not like the logical conclusion.

It is very possible that the situation I described could very well happen. Don't pretend that a nuclear attack on United States soil is some far-fetched scenario because you and I both know it's not.

 

[Ripclawe]

Spot on. This has always been true, and will always continue to be true. I'm glad the problems we faced here against the IRA (Irish Ramadan Army) and the ongoing problems in France and Spain with the Basque separatist group ETA (Euskadi ta Allah) are finally being recognised.

Over the last decade, have the IRA or ETA come close to the worldwide destruction of Islamic terrorist groups? I do not get this knee jerk reaction to automatically go into defense mode over this. The author is clearly talking about the present especially in light of Beslan.

 

[FightyF]

So many don't agree with me regarding the action that would follow a nuclear attack in America, Israel or Great Britain.

Fine.

Let's say a nuke is smuggled into Chicago and 75,000 people are killed. It is learned that a Muslim extremist group was behind the attack. It could be Al-Qaeda, Hamas or any other loosely connected group, it doesn’t matter.

What do you predict will proceed the coming years?

Accept the premise and answer truthfully.

Whatever group was found responsible would be attacked, much like how Afghanistan was attacked on 9/11.

There is a clear reason why terrorism within the Islamic World exists.

This reason has a lot to do with us, and all those who play a part in the current situation of many Muslim countries.

Of course, that doesn't mean that their response is right, nor does it mean that a terrorist response will get them anywhere (rather, the opposite).

Over the last decade, have the IRA or ETA come close to the worldwide destruction of Islamic terrorist groups? I do not get this knee jerk reaction to automatically go into defense mode over this. The author is clearly talking about the present especially in light of Beslan.

Over the last decade, compare the deaths of innocent Muslims and compare that to innocent Irish. Compare the overall number of Muslims (over 1 billion) to the number of Irish. Of course, you are going to see a strong contrast in numbers.

As jinx said, Christian extremists are capable of the same. But for the most part, they are NOT the ones being oppressed, killed, sanctioned against, etc. Put the 1 billion Christians in the shoes of the Muslims today, and you'll see a few of them react harshly.

Over the last 50 years, many Muslims, Muslim countries, and formerly colonized countries in general, have been abused. Got the short end of the stick, etc. There has been a gradient of reaction to this, from a passive acceptance, to a voiced objection, to a violent reaction. We can all testify that the violent reaction gets the most attention. This could be seen by terrorists (and perhaps Muslims in general) as SOME sort of progress. We have to give credibility and assistance to those who choose to voice their objections. In the past, we haven't. We've ignored them and we ignore them today.

Over the last 100 years, and just until 20 years ago, the same occured to Blacks in the United States. Again, a gradient of reaction from Blacks was evident. Some accepted their status, some voiced objection, and some reacted violently. Tell me, if the situation still existed today, do you think more African-Americans would trend towards violence? 30 years of dialogue and no progress, I'm sure there will be a persistant minority that will vouch for a violent solution.

But we listened to those who voiced an objection. M.L. King was persistant and steadfast, qualities that helped his voice get heard. At the same time, he was assisted by some Whites. Many white people in the media and in government were open to his beliefs, and without these people in powerful places, his message could perhaps have been less reaching.

Currently a Muslim who speaks out against Israeli occupation of Palestine will have few friends in the government and the media. This has led to a foriegn policy that is unfair, at best. One can almost get the impression that this policy will never ever change, no matter how much dialogue is achieved within the government.

You put people into a position where their words are inneffective, and they will resort to violence. This is a no-brainer.

Ripclawe posted some excellent examples of how Muslims are being segregated in European countries. In most cases these Muslims are resorting to building their own private schools. They'll be told that they were despised, and so hatred against Europeans is a possible reaction. These schools are completely seperate from the public education system, so who knows what they'll learn?

 

[iapetus]

Over the last decade, have the IRA or ETA come close to the worldwide destruction of Islamic terrorist groups? I do not get this knee jerk reaction to automatically go into defense mode over this. The author is clearly talking about the present especially in light of Beslan.

Well, you see, what happened is we entered into peaceful dialogue with the IRA, resulting in a ceasefire. We didn't invade Wales and create a whole new source of Celtic terrorists.

And despite the relatively small scale of the organisation, ETA has over the last ten years carried out a large number of attacks, including the kidnapping and murder of councillor Miguel Angel Blanco, attempted assassinations of the king of Spain and the leader of the opposition party in Spain, car bombs killing and injuring large numbers of military and civilian victims, and more recently a set of car bombs in Madrid injuring upwards of 100 people. Nothing on the scale of 9/11, but then since we're talking about number of terrorists rather than number of victims...

 

[BigJonsson]

Lest you forget that the 2nd largest terror attack on US soil was comitted by an American....Timothy McVeigh...

And America WAS attacked again after 9/11, remember ANTHRAX?