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Israeli Robots Remake Battlefield

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sonicfan

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Nation Forges Ahead in Deploying Unmanned Military Vehicles by Air, Sea and Land

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By CHARLES LEVINSON

(See Corrections & Amplifications below).

TEL AVIV, Israel – Israel is developing an army of robotic fighting machines that offers a window onto the potential future of warfare.

Sixty years of near-constant war, a low tolerance for enduring casualties in conflict, and its high-tech industry have long made Israel one of the world's leading innovators of military robotics.

WSJ's Charles Levinson reports from Jerusalem to discuss Israel's development of robotic, unmanned combat systems. He tells Simon Constable on the News Hub how they are deploying unmanned boats, ground vehicles and aerial vehicles.

"We're trying to get to unmanned vehicles everywhere on the battlefield for each platoon in the field," says Lt. Col. Oren Berebbi, head of the Israel Defense Forces' technology branch. "We can do more and more missions without putting a soldier at risk."

In 10 to 15 years, one-third of Israel's military machines will be unmanned, predicts Giora Katz, vice president of Rafael Advanced Defense Systems Ltd., one of Israel's leading weapons manufacturers.

"We are moving into the robotic era," says Mr. Katz.

Over 40 countries have military-robotics programs today. The U.S. and much of the rest of the world is betting big on the role of aerial drones: Even Hezbollah, the Iranian-backed Shiite guerrilla force in Lebanon, flew four Iranian-made drones against Israel during the 2006 Lebanon War.

When the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003, it had just a handful of drones. Today, U.S. forces have around 7,000 unmanned vehicles in the air and an additional 12,000 on the ground, used for tasks including reconnaissance, airstrikes and bomb disposal.

In 2009, for the first time, the U.S. Air Force trained more "pilots" for unmanned aircraft than for manned fighters and bombers.

U.S. and Japanese robotics programs rival Israel's technological know-how, but Israel has shown it can move quickly to develop and deploy new devices, to meet battlefield needs, military officials say.

"The Israelis do it differently, not because they're more clever than we are, but because they live in a tough neighborhood and need to respond fast to operational issues," says Thomas Tate, a former U.S. Army lieutenant colonel who now oversees defense cooperation between the U.S. and Israel.

Among the recently deployed technologies that set Israel ahead of the curve is the Guardium unmanned ground vehicle, which now drives itself along the Gaza and Lebanese borders. The Guardium was deployed to patrol for infiltrators in the wake of the abduction of soldiers doing the same job in 2006. The Guardium, developed by G-nius Ltd., is essentially an armored off-road golf cart with a suite of optical sensors and surveillance gear. It was put into the field for the first time 10 months ago.

In the 2006 Lebanon War, Israeli soldiers took a beating opening supply routes and ferrying food and ammunition through hostile territory to the front lines. In the Gaza conflict in January 2009, Israel unveiled remote-controlled bulldozers to help address that issue.
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[Israeli Robots Remake Battlefield] David Furst/AFP for The Wall Street Journal.

Israel pioneered the use of aerial drones like the Heron, under construction, above, at Israeli Aerospace Industries.

* WSJ.com/Mideast: News, video, graphics

Within the next year, Israeli engineers expect to deploy the voice-commanded, six-wheeled Rex robot, capable of carrying 550 pounds of gear alongside advancing infantry.

After bomb-laden fishing boats tried to take out an Israeli Navy frigate off the coast off Gaza in 2002, Rafael designed the Protector SV, an unmanned, heavily armed speedboat that today makes up a growing part of the Israeli naval fleet. The Singapore Navy has also purchased the boat and is using it in patrols in the Persian Gulf.

After Syrian missile batteries in Lebanon took a heavy toll on Israeli fighter jets in the 1973 war, Israel developed the first modern unmanned aerial vehicle, or UAV.

When Israel next invaded Lebanon in 1981, the real-time images provided by those unmanned aircraft helped Israel wipe out Syrian air defenses, without a single downed pilot. The world, including the U.S., took notice.

The Pentagon set aside its long-held skepticism about the advantages of unmanned aircraft and, in the early 1980s, bought a prototype designed by former Israeli Air Force engineer Abraham Karem. That prototype morphed into the modern-day Predator, which is made by General Atomics Aeronautical Systems Inc.

Unlike the U.S. and other militaries, where UAVs are flown by certified, costly-to-train fighter pilots, Israeli defense companies have recently built their UAVs to allow an average 18-year-old recruit with just a few months' training to pilot them.

Military analysts say unmanned fighting vehicles could have a far-reaching strategic impact on the sort of asymmetrical conflicts the U.S. is fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan and that Israel faces against enemies such as Hezbollah and Hamas.

In such conflicts, robotic vehicles will allow modern conventional armies to minimize the advantages guerrilla opponents gain by their increased willingness to sacrifice their lives in order to inflict casualties on the enemy.

However, there are also fears that when countries no longer fear losing soldiers' lives in combat thanks to the ability to wage war with unmanned vehicles, they may prove more willing to initiate conflict.

In coming years, engineers say unmanned air, sea and ground vehicles will increasingly work together without any human involvement. Israel and the U.S. have already faced backlash over civilian deaths caused by drone-fired missiles in Gaza, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Those ethical dilemmas could increase as robots become more independent of their human masters.

Write to Charles Levinson at charles.levinson@wsj.com


Video is interesting, talks about how it can fire on the enemy without human intervention, and be integrated with arial and sea unmaned craft...

How much farther to get from this,
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to this.
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Zaptruder

Banned
Still a bit too early to unchain AI from human oversight... at least on a deadly weapons platform.


I mean... understanding how it identifies threats needs to be publically available information; but it'll be guarded under military security, also guarding the fact that it's not fully reliable.

Of course humans aren't either, but that's another issue entirely.
 

Furret

Banned
cntrational said:
Are people actually serious when they say "TERMINATORS TOMORROW OMG OMG"?

It's a robot vehicle that can shoot people without any input from a human controller, if you don't find that disturbing you're an idiot (or a robot).
 
cntrational said:
Are people actually serious when they say "TERMINATORS TOMORROW OMG OMG"?

Don't worry, programmers have it covered.

Furret said:
It's a robot vehicle that can shoot people without any input from a human controller, if you don't find that disturbing you're an idiot (or a robot).

As my brother who works in robotics once said: The robot revolution will last for approximately 45 minutes, then their batteries will die.
 
afternoon delight said:
Nothing like ending an "enemy combatant's" life through the video screen.

The future fucking sucks.


Why does that suck? I would think it would be a great time if we could kill our enemies without risking our citizens.
 

otake

Doesn't know that "You" is used in both the singular and plural
I think its cool. Makes all the time playing team deathmatch seem like an investment.

I mean, think about it. Killing terrorists miles away through a computer screen, with a keyboard, mouse and a/c.
 

Lord Error

Insane For Sony
ConfusingJazz said:
As my brother who works in robotics once said: The robot revolution will last for approximately 45 minutes, then their batteries will die.
Solar power will get much better and more efficient very soon with those nano-solar panels. Or, robots will have some recharging stations that would operate on nuclear power. That's just on top of my head, but robots autonomy is not that much out of question as far as power goes.
 

Gio_CoD

Banned
I never really understood why they gave the terminator robots individual teeth. I mean... it's not like they're really eating food, right?
 

El Papa

Member
I'm starting to believe that battery technology will be the next revolution for technology; phones, computers, cars, robots, etc., and when solar power or sugar power (lol) evolve, then shit will get crazy
straight-up dawg time
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SapientWolf

Trucker Sexologist
Zaptruder said:
Still a bit too early to unchain AI from human oversight... at least on a deadly weapons platform.


I mean... understanding how it identifies threats needs to be publically available information; but it'll be guarded under military security, also guarding the fact that it's not fully reliable.

Of course humans aren't either, but that's another issue entirely.
I'm pretty sure there were some recent mishaps involving automated defense systems. This one sticks out most in my head.

Robot Cannon Kills 9, Wounds 14
 

Davidion

Member
yankeehater said:
Why does that suck? I would think it would be a great time if we could kill our enemies without risking our citizens.

The dehumanization of opponents in a war environment is an interesting issue. Sure I agree that less casualties is a good thing. Yet on the other hand, I have to wonder if this will cause armed conflicts to become increasingly suppress-and-destroy scenarios.

Decision makers in all walks of life are forced to view large scale human considerations as statistics rather than unique individual that require separate considerations; with that in mind, what happens when throwing dollars and metals at groups of humans with the intent to kill or subjugate becomes the more expedient and convenient action compared to others weighing the human cost? The generals in the boardroom becoming more detached from the battlefield as technology advances; this shouldn't be considered without its downsides.

In our world, it's an increasingly feasible thing to have to consider.
 

R2D4

Banned
yankeehater said:
Why does that suck? I would think it would be a great time if we could kill our enemies without risking our citizens.


You'd think the "enemy combatant's" used in quotes would tell you something about the intent of that post.
 

Furcas

Banned
Forget about solar power, if the robot's AI is good enough it can just find a way to recharge its batteries.

Not that I think a "robot revolution" is likely. As long as no AI is smart enough to understand its own source code and rewrite it to make itself smarter, we're safe.
 

panda21

Member
am i missing something or does nowhere in the OP it mention about these robots shooting anything never mind deciding to by themselves? extrapolation ftw?

i'm kind of surprised they still need pilots for the uav's though, considering most airliners can fly and even land completely automatically. obviously for shooting or watching the video you need people but i don't see why they cant just tell it where to fly and let it deal with that itself.
 
panda21 said:
am i missing something or does nowhere in the OP it mention about these robots shooting anything never mind deciding to by themselves? extrapolation ftw?

i'm kind of surprised they still need pilots for the uav's though, considering most airliners can fly and even land completely automatically. obviously for shooting or watching the video you need people but i don't see why they cant just tell it where to fly and let it deal with that itself.

Son, its always a good time to talk about the upcoming robot apocalypse.
 

thespot84

Member
Count Dookkake said:
Seriously though, if there is ever an Israeli bipedal war robot, it should be called GOLEM.

no love for this? thought it was awesome, now all we need is the words behind the acronym.

Genetically Organized Lifelike Electro Mechanics already exists, but it's pretty cool.
 
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy said:
There will never be a terminator esque robot for combat, the design is to poor.

For the same reason we will never have battlemechs: What kind of genius would design a bipedal war machine?
 

Jayge

Member
thespot84 said:
no love for this? thought it was awesome, now all we need is the words behind the acronym.

Genetically Organized Lifelike Electro Mechanics already exists, but it's pretty cool.
No, I thought it was hilarious too.

Gentile Obliterating Little Enthralling Monstrosity
 

sonicfan

Venerable Member
panda21 said:
am i missing something or does nowhere in the OP it mention about these robots shooting anything never mind deciding to by themselves? extrapolation ftw?

i'm kind of surprised they still need pilots for the uav's though, considering most airliners can fly and even land completely automatically. obviously for shooting or watching the video you need people but i don't see why they cant just tell it where to fly and let it deal with that itself.

Watch the video that goes along with the article.

Robot: ENEMY COMBATANT, I SEE THAT YOUR GUN BARREL OF YOUR AK47 IS STILL WARM, HOW DO YOU PLEAD?

Enemy Combatant: What? I just had it laying in the sun...

Robot: MY FACE READING SOFTWARE SAYS AT THE 99.9% CONFIDENCE LEVEL, YOU ARE LYING, YOU WILL NOW BE TERMINATED.....

explosion-l.jpg
 

MrHicks

Banned
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy said:
There will never be a terminator esque robot for combat, the design is to poor.

skynet didn't create the human looking terminators for mass warfare perse but for infiltration in human camps

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future version of gardium
 

panda21

Member
sonicfan said:
Watch the video that goes along with the article.

Robot: ENEMY COMBATANT, I SEE THAT YOUR GUN BARREL OF YOUR AK47 IS STILL WARM, HOW DO YOU PLEAD?

Enemy Combatant: What? I just had it laying in the sun...

Robot: MY FACE READING SOFTWARE SAYS AT THE 99.9% CONFIDENCE LEVEL, YOU ARE LYING, YOU WILL NOW BE TERMINATED.....

explosion-l.jpg

:lol

awesome. i'd so make a terminator if i could
 
sonicfan said:
Nation Forges Ahead in Deploying Unmanned Military Vehicles by Air, Sea and Land

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Where is the shield system on this thing?

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I see no straps or anything to hold a child/teenager like their manned vehicles.
 

Ether_Snake

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I'm surprised we don't actually have way more UAVs, of a smaller kind, that could infiltrate houses or at least hover around the windows and peak through, shoot sleeping darts, etc.

I'm guessing that's the next big thing really. It should be able to hover through some street, come and peak into your room's window using infrared vision, and shoot you on command, or break the glass, maybe shoot some sort of canister with sleeping gas inside (or some sort of irritant), forcing people to either get out or hide themselves deeper in the house, allowing nearby forces to move in. Eventually such robots will be preferred over strikes, which will greatly reduce civilian casualties, and allow us to actually arrest/capture terrorists, etc.
 
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