Ah yeah, to the American people.....You do understand that if there was evidence of any form of alien life out in the universe, if so only a microbe, that would be all over the news all over the world? Holy shit....you guys are scary.
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Aliens and UFOs
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MilkyJoe
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No not like that. It would be THE news of everything all over the world, frontside on everything from newspapers to tv to everything. It would be the biggest happening in human history now and forever.
MilkyJoe
Member
Look, this is what's going on - you just had the US congress tell you that we are not alone. So either it's true or it's something very sinister is about to go down. If it's true the world's population has been conditioned over the last 80 years to ridicule the subject, and that ain't just going away over night. Not only that, right now people have proper things to worry about, work, jobs, money, keeping their homes, they have just spent the last 3 yeas abused by their governments with the covid thing, people are mostly not caring because of a mixture of they have more important things to deal with and 80 years of conditioning that it's just a fairy tale.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
I'm not so sure. The tik Tok generation seems quite apathetic to anything not related to climate change, social justice, gender studies etc. They can't be bothered to care about alien life despite it being much more important than all that other stuff put together.
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AcrosstheSea
Banned
Well the problem is there are people like you in the world who think it's impossible for NHI to have visited us so they don't give the story the time of day or they talk about it like it's a joke.
At some point if disclosure happens due to the investigation then it will be all over the news like you want but until then people are gonna be clueless as to what's going on.
Edit: so many people say this is some disinformation/distraction campaign yet people are openly pointing out that no one gives a shit in the world. It's funny.
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Romulus
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I think this is a late 1990s mindset, maybe early 2000s in terms of microbe life.
What's even more scary is that microbe life would be all over the news during those years. Shows how pathetic we are because that would be shocking to some people. Everywhere on this planet, even inside active volcanos, there is life. Absolutely ridiculous to think the Earth is some unique magical vessel that spawns life.
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It wasnt the biggest story couse there was no microbes in the rocks. If it had turned out to be microbes, then it would have gone boom.
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Crayon
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It's a good example because we really thought we had it. Clinton came out and made a statement about it. There were pictures good enough to fool nasa. That's the most confirmation we would get if this turns out to be nhi. Which would be a much bigger story, of course. But the public was not enraptured by the microbes as you suggest, and not because they weere skeptical of the president, nasa, or because they did better at interpreting the photos on the news.
Crayon
Member
We can know these people. Understand them. Their past, present, and even their future. Their culture, their dreams, and their highest aspirations. These answers and more, are all up their ass.
Raonak
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So, when do we actually get so see what evidence Grusch has?
Grusch's mystery box will show whether his claims are real or full of shit.
Because as it stands, there's still no public evidence to confirm that aliens have visited earth.
That's exactly why people don't care. There's nothing to reveal at the moment.
Grusch's mystery box will show whether his claims are real or full of shit.
Because as it stands, there's still no public evidence to confirm that aliens have visited earth.
That's exactly why people don't care. There's nothing to reveal at the moment.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
Isn't that stuff classified? Will we get to see it?
Crayon
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If people don't care it's because they'd rather poke at their phones all day. Doesn't matter if they care or not.
Raonak
Banned
Surely, we'll get to see it at some point. Isn't that the whole point of this whole disclosure thing?
People don't care because there's literally nothing to look at.
There's no reason to care, and until we get some reveals.
Like, what do people think is in Grusch's mystery box? Do we think it has actual photos and videos of the captured crafts/aliens?
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Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
I hope so
Crayon
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First off, I should be clear that I don't believe people don't care. Inspector general saw something that made him care. The people in Congress saw something that made them care and the public who is following along cares because there are no more normal explanations for this. At very least, there is a crazy disinformation campaign going on. So anyone who doesn't care is willfully not paying attention.
As far as what's in the box, we got info on that from the testimony. it's documents, names, and places. That is not going to capture the imagination of anyone plaster to tiktok. Pictures and videos, maybe. But that's a maybe. I don't think we're going to get those anytime soon, though. Hopefully one day.
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V1LÆM
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I wonder why the aliens can’t just park their ship over a busy area and reveal to the world that they are real instead of us having to wait on governments. They keep speeding about and giving us crappy footage. Imagine a ship was hanging in the air over somewhere like Times Square or the Eiffel Tower. Maybe something like “Childhood’s End”.
Maybe we aren’t ready yet for this knowledge
Maybe we aren’t ready yet for this knowledge
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Crayon
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I wonder why the aliens can’t just park their ship over a busy area and reveal to the world that they are real instead of us having to wait on governments. They keep speeding about and giving us crappy footage. Imagine a ship was hanging in the air over somewhere like Times Square or the Eiffel Tower. Maybe something like “Childhood’s End”.
Maybe we aren’t ready yet for this knowledge
Would suck if they spilled all the beans and we were like "We wish you didn't tell us!"
Raonak
Banned
Has there been an actual breakdown behind the weighting of all his claims? There's no 1:1 connection between the claims and which ones are backed up by evidence presented and which ones are 2nd hand reports.
The whole idea of testifying under oath about 2nd hand information is a weird logical loophole, because he himself has never seen an alien or a UFO, he has talked to officials who know information, but they are not testifying themselves, so we are left to assume that his sources are actually reliable in the first place.
Assuming they exist, it's clear that the aliens are observers. They don't want to effect us, they aren't harvesting resources, or trying to kill us, or even trying to save us.I wonder why the aliens can’t just park their ship over a busy area and reveal to the world that they are real instead of us having to wait on governments. They keep speeding about and giving us crappy footage. Imagine a ship was hanging in the air over somewhere like Times Square or the Eiffel Tower. Maybe something like “Childhood’s End”.
Maybe we aren’t ready yet for this knowledge
They just want to watch us.
It's possible that these observers have contacted governments saying that if we leave them alone, they'll leave us alone.
The US might have actually broken this treaty by capturing a craft/alien, and that's why there's so much secrecy around it.
kurisu_1974
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I don't feel the mainstream media in Europe has picked it up either so it's not only TikTok. I think the problem is, that there is not a single shred of actual evidence, only people that saw things or heard people talk about things.
But didn't you hear that believing every fringe crap without a shred of proof is the new age - notice me senpai.
I guess you don't want senpai to notice you?...it's your funeral buddy.
Crayon
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What you point out with the second-hand information under oath, I actually don't know how that works at all. It seems like you'd want three or four people saying the same thing. But I guess if they have reason to believe the guy, and they can subpoena a few of the names he gave, then those would have to go under oath. I suppose they could lie and deny it, but if there's a few of them, you have the old prisoner dilemma going on.
AcrosstheSea
Banned
We live in a world where people rarely care about anything unless it's directly impacting them now.
Grusch investigated this and talked to 40 people. Some of them were first hand witnesses who actually worked on said programs.
Everyone keeps talking about second hand information but fails to realize he's named names of people who were directly involved in the program. What does that mean? They can hear the first hand information from the people themselves. The inspector general has seen all of it and talked to many of these same people and found it to be credible and urgent. Same thing with the intelligence committee.
Yes, we unfortunately aren't seeing and hearing those same details currently but when people like Marco Rubio say it's shocking how many sober high ranking officials and some that are in the public eye are coming to them saying these things it's hard to ignore there could be something to it.
I feel like we all keep going in circles with this. We know what's going on. We know there's more witnesses waiting in the wing, we know they are investigating it.... Why do we keep talking about evidence? It's there it's just classified and shown to the proper people. Hopefully it gets to us eventually until then we wait.
What they need to do is subpoena the Inspector general and hopefully some first hand witnesses testify soon. Then we will move to the next phase.
If you all want an open minded person who is also skeptical you should look into John Greenwald. He's skeptical till there's evidence always but he made a great point. Over all the years he's used the Freedom of information act he's noticed over the years of all the topics he's looked into the UFO topic has has the most destroyed or missing documents of them all. Which is definitely curious.
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Crayon
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I'm wondering if the comittee and Grusch ever get a scif to talk in or they can just be stonewalled on that indefinitely? Seems like a too-easy way to hush things. Just deny access to the one legal place you have to talk about it? I would hope you can't just stall that forever.
Anyway somehere I heard a rumor that the next hearing is in september but I now have no idea where I heard/read that. Anyone else hear that? Did I even hear it lol?
Anyway somehere I heard a rumor that the next hearing is in september but I now have no idea where I heard/read that. Anyone else hear that? Did I even hear it lol?
AcrosstheSea
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I have theories of what's going on. I think David Grusch found out shit and notice in 2017 the videos leaked regarding the UAPs. I almost wonder if Dave found out about this program and got in contact with the UFO community ( people like Jeremy Corbell) and basically said it's real... They all banned together to force disclosure to happen.
Which is why right now there's a lot of infighting going on. Why the SCIFF is getting some pushback...etc.
Which is why right now there's a lot of infighting going on. Why the SCIFF is getting some pushback...etc.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Wouldn't be the first time ... someone just lied lol.
I am still waiting for evidence. The process is good but there is nothing yet. Still just words...
There is a whole world out there yet ufo crashes only in USA and is being held secret by some secret USA organization that doesn't even exist officially.
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There's no evidence. One guy claims to have seen classified reports from people containing claims and claims to have talked to other people who have made claims. That's all second-hand hearsay.
sono
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There is radar data doesnt that count
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
That could be anything from malfunction, wrong radar reading, weather and so on.
but aliens! (I mean, let's hope so, I would love that)
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
I doubt there is much radar malfunctions or misreading's. People's lives are at stake. It's not a job anyone takes lightly.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
It's only equipment.
AcrosstheSea
Banned
Uh no. First hand witnesses have come forward to the intelligence committee that back up what Grusch said. I just posted an interview that discussed this. You have to be purposely ignoring whats going on to be outright dismissing this. The amount of people who have come forward in very high positions with high clearances was surprising to many people in the gang of eight. There's a reason they are taking it very seriously.
I'm not saying ALIENS but im saying there's enough smoke going on behind the scenes that is causing a lot of people in government to investigate it seriously.
rofif
That's assuming this was a one off moment where data got screwed up from detecting a UAP. It's not that though. Ryan Graves said this was happening daily for years. You think they don't have more data on this? I feel like too many people are jumping through hoops to dismiss something serious is going on. Take the alien aspect out of it.... this is something the government confirms. UAPs exist and there are some UAP's they have data on that they cannot explain.
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Which still isn't evidence.
AcrosstheSea
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Crayon
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They would have to be malfuntioning at the same time multiple pilots have eyes on the thing. Whatever it is, there was at least something physically there.
AcrosstheSea
Banned
And again this wasn't a one off event. This is something Ryan Graves mentioned happened frequently. So I guess their data must have gone screwy every single time.
The sooner people realize the government is keeping this info in lockdown for a reason the better. These are objects that have been described for decades, doing the same shit they've done for decades, and they've been dismissed/ridiculed and stigmatized for decades. It took leaking videos out and putting pressure on the Pentagon to even acknowledge UFOs finally. Something they pretended wasn't a thing for the longest time.
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Crayon
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I can't think of any evidence that could reasonably be expected to come out and won't be subject to more pseudo skepticism as long as someone doesn't like it. It's going to be paperwork and documents. Even if they bring out a piece of metal or something, that can be refuted by saying the lab was negligent, fraudulant, etc.
AcrosstheSea
Banned
That's why the debunker mentality is so frustrating. It's created such a stigma that if some evidence ever did fall on our laps people would still claim it's fake. If you can't be impartial and open to possibilities then it's pointless.
I know for me I'm open to whatever comes of this but what matters to me is patience and to wait for information to be disclosed to the public. People have been fighting for disclosure for a long time, John Podesta being one of them.
Crayon
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Well if it makes you feel better, there are probably just as many people who will insist it's aliens if we end up seeing evidence to the contrary lol. People can believe whatever they want. More than ever these days. Just find some echo chamber on the internet and voila.
AcrosstheSea
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I hate echo chambers. I think skepticism is good. I recommended a person who has researched UFO's his whole life but he also is very skeptical until proven.
Give this a watch. It's very interesting..
Anyways, it's not skepticism. It's debunkers. Where they think it's an impossibility and that influences every view they have because they think it's impossible. I don't know what's going on, I don't pretend to. All I know is a lot of very credible and high ranking people are claiming something that WOULD be amazing if true. I want to see it out, whatever conclusion it comes to I'm ready for.
I don't think people should think 100% of anything but the possibility of NHI makes for fun conversation which is why I go on about that.
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