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It is almost looking PROBABLE that there will be NHL Hockey this season

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I received several e-mails over the past two weeks from various sources, but I've chosen to post the following one because, after asking around today, it seems to be pretty accurate...

"I was told a group of players for an Eastern Conference team held a
secret vote to see what they would do if the NHLPA would bring a vote
on the NHL salary cap proposal, and not to anyone's surprise, a
majority vote went in favor of a salary cap system.

With this information, the player rep asked Goodenow why the NHLPA
hasn't provided the members with an opportunity to vote on the
proposal because he's got a team full of young teammates needing to
play and knows his owner is willing to budge on some issues like the
age of free agency, cap threshold, pensions, and other important
issues to players not in the upper end of the league.

Goodenow dispatched one of his cronies to tell the rep to act like a
hockey player and be a team player in this and that they would never
allow a vote in a million years that included a salary cap, no matter
the cost.

I was told this got back to a few players on the rich end of that team
and they gave a pretty good talking to the player executive, which of
course in turn had to give the info to Trevor Linden.

Linden over the past week has been getting a ton of pressure asking
why the NHLPA is refusing to negotiate a good deal now before losing
the whole season and half of next year too.

The NHLPA loses any leverage past December 2005 and Linden knows this,
that's why he asked for the meeting without Goodenow and Bettman.

Players know, if they don't get a salary cap negotiated at possible
$40 million now, they know the owners in January 06 will drop their
best offer to $31 million and hard-line on other issues too.

This deal is done by Sunday this week."

This same scenario took place on several teams, The Islanders, Bruins, Hawks, and Caps for certain...we'll see.

Sportsnet.ca reported briefly that the lock-out was over and an eight year deal was signed. Then, they quickly took it off of their site. I do know that even though the two sides are meeting today in person, they have been talking since Saturday. Until the meeting is over, I don't have any new info. According to one source, Sportsnet may be sitting on something for a few days, and they wanted to scoop everyone, and then the NHL forced them to pull it. It is odd that something so specific would be gone so quickly.

A forum I frequent posted what Sportsnet.ca had up before it was taken down earlier today:

According to industry sources, the NHL and NHLPA have been in talks for the past couple of weeks and are very close to agreeing on an eight-year deal. The first four years of the deal would include a salary rollback and the following four years would see a soft cap with luxury tax in place. The season would get under way February 14.

This would be awesome news. The two sides met today. After the meeting they actually said it went WELL for once. This is the first time they sounded positive coming out of a meeting all winter. They are to meet again tomorrow. Keep your fingers crossed. :)
 

Socreges

Banned
This is exciting, but at the same time I'm a little angry that I've gotten my hopes up now. If this turns out to be untrue, or the deal falls through, I'm going to be disappointed, whereas I wouldn't have expected any differently otherwise.

"I was told a group of players for an Eastern Conference team held a
secret vote to see what they would do if the NHLPA would bring a vote
on the NHL salary cap proposal, and not to anyone's surprise, a
majority vote went in favor of a salary cap system.
This is what I was telling a couple friends of mine (not big hockey fans) earlier today. They were saying how selfish all the players were (as if NHL players are habitually more selfish than players in other sports). I argued that the players likely wouldn't (in general) mind a cap so much and the push for a free market system is likely a consequence of the Association's direction being determined by people who are paid to get the most out of things, and groupthink. Here's hoping that's the case and this meeting can put them past that BS.
 

Malakhov

Banned
Another meeting planned for tomorrow in Toronto. Both parties after coming out of today's meeting said it was a good meeting, first time since the lock out they've said that.

I have hope once again!
 

MetatronM

Unconfirmed Member
I remember hearing yesterday that they were actively talking again. I suppose it is possible. I'm still not holding my breath.
 

Kiriku

SWEDISH PERFECTION
What kind of season would that be anyway? There are many players who haven't played for months, and how many games would there be if the season started? And I recall something about the hockey teams being forced to rent their home arenas several days ahead of time. And by the time they can actually play, there will be even less time left anyway.

At least World Cup is on its way. It'll probably be awesome, except for the players who haven't been playing at all during the lock-out. :p
 
I say even if they can work it out, fuck the season. A 2 month season? Honestly? No.

Instead they should either set up some sort of unique tournament OR have a really big, extended 2005-2006 season, where the 30 or so games (or maybe even more if they play during the Stanley Cup months) played are added onto the standings/records of the 2005-2006 season.

I just really, really don't like the prospect of the Canucks finally winning the cup... in a 2 month season.
 

Malakhov

Banned
No way I'd ever want an extended season, the season is long enough as it is, too much even.

Anyways, I don't care. I'd rather we sacrifice a season or have a 2 months season and then the NHL will be in good health for years afterwards.
 

Kiriku

SWEDISH PERFECTION
Mike Works said:
I say even if they can work it out, fuck the season. A 2 month season? Honestly? No.

Instead they should either set up some sort of unique tournament OR have a really big, extended 2005-2006 season, where the 30 or so games (or maybe even more if they play during the Stanley Cup months) played are added onto the standings/records of the 2005-2006 season.

I just really, really don't like the prospect of the Canucks finally winning the cup... in a 2 month season.

Exactly, I don't think the players would feel they've won Stanley Cup for "real" if a season was to happen anyway. It would be a season noone really cared about.
I agree about there being some kind of tournament would be a good solution, giving people hockey without making it a "real" season. It's just too late for a season now.

And as I mentioned before, with the season cancelled there would be better players at the World Cup, which I think is great. Perhaps it wouldn't match Canada Cup, but I think it would be pretty darn good anyway.
 
Well after the last lockout they were able to fit in a 41 game schedule by playing more games per week and extending the playoffs into the early part of June. I see no reason why they can't do the same this time. I think they can fit in 36 games for sure if they start Feb 14th.

Another why a season of some sort needs to be played is so there is no bitching when it comes to who picks where in the 2005 draft. With Sidney Crosby up for grabs, I could see a lot of belly aching if the order is decided by some sort of random lottery. :) It is better for the order to be decided on the rink in some shape or form.
 

calder

Member
Mike Works said:
I just really, really don't like the prospect of the Canucks finally winning the cup... in a 2 month season.
But just think, it'd almost be worth the Leafs winning the cup just because we could drive the fans nuts with talk of asterisk's and "fake" seasons.

I myself refuse to hope. But I am going to call my regular pool buddies and see if there'd be a quickie draft... that pools run for like 18 consecutive years (and I've been in it for 13 or so) so I'm sure they're itching for it too.
 

darscot

Member
There are only two possible reasons why they would move the meeting to the media hot bed of Toronto. The have a deal or the season is dead. At least the wait will be over soon.
 
Who wants to join me in kicking all the hockey "experts" in the mouth if the season is actually saved despite the constant chirping that this lockout will go 2 seasons...

I'm not holding my breath but still...pessimism breeds pessimism
 

dem

Member
On sportscenter they said that the Ducks and Yotes have ordered training camp equipment.
Thats gotta mean something.... right?....... right?
 

Manics

Banned
I won't believe it until I hear the schedule has been announced. I can't wait for this intense 10 game schedule in preparation for the playoffs. :lol
 

SickBoy

Member
So iffy, but it does sound fairly promising:

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/WinnipegSun/Sports/2005/01/20/904136-sun.html

A league source told Sun Media last night that talks to get a new collective bargaining agreement in place took a major turn yesterday in Chicago when the NHL Players Association introduced the possibility of a six-year agreement which would include a salary cap under certain circumstances.
...
The source said the league was willing to discuss the idea, but wasn't sure if it was going to be enough to allow hockey to be played this season.

Essentially three years without cap, with the introduction of one if financial woes persist.
 

shoplifter

Member
SickBoy said:
Essentially three years without cap, with the introduction of one if financial woes persist.

I'm guessing the owners would agree to this, with them being fairly sure that a cap will be necessary.
 

fallout

Member
dem said:
On sportscenter they said that the Ducks and Yotes have ordered training camp equipment.
Thats gotta mean something.... right?....... right?
Yeah, it means they're taking advantage of all the lockout sales.
 

Mainline

Member
part of me wants a deal done to see some hockey, part of me wants this to drag on for a long while to further damage weak southern markets that shouldn't exist in the first place...aRRRrrrrr!
 
Must not get hopes up... but if this turns out to be true, Trevor Linden is your fucking GOD and should immediately be given control of the NHL and NHLPA, made General Manager of the Vancouver Canucks, get a Fast Ticket pass for Disneyland, keys to the Playboy Mansion, and a motherfucking raygun because he's the cockblocking MAN.

But yeah, not getting hopes up, not getting hopes up, watching Vancouver Giants hilights are fine, golf will be back soon, not getting hopes up...
 
Bob McCown on the FAN 590 is calling this BS, same with the other people who are on and apparentally Tie Domi will be on as a guest soon to refute this
 

dem

Member
Yeah theres a story on tsn already calling it BS =P
oh well


Theres a press conference tonight
Will prolly end up just like the rest of them
 

bishoptl

Banstick Emeritus
Mike Works said:
Must not get hopes up... but if this turns out to be true, Trevor Linden is your fucking GOD
Trevor Linden is God anyways. Find me a classier player in the NHL and I'll call you a liar.

That said, I absolutely REFUSE to get my hopes up. Call me when something concrete is being reported. My heart is too easily bruised....
 
dem said:
The meeting today has been over 4 hours.... they gotta be doing something...
Don't make posts like this, it's just stupid. Wow, the meeting has been four hours, THEY MUST BE DOING SOMETHING!!!

COULD THE LOCKOUT BE OVER?!?!?!

Opinion and insite is fine, but that's just dumb nothing.
 

Malakhov

Banned
Speaking of hockey...

mms://wm.nhlteams.speedera.net/wm.nhlteams/teams/2004/COL/Royintvid_1_300k.wmv

mms://wm.nhlteams.speedera.net/wm.nhlteams/teams/2004/COL/Royintvid_2_300k.wmv

GAwd I miss him.
 

SickBoy

Member
What I've heard is the meeting ended, more progress, there is talk of more meeting, but no date has been set. I think the season is still on deathwatch.
 

dem

Member
Fan590 rumoured deal ...

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At the noon update on thefan590 from Toronto, two things were announced. (1) The meeting is in the Sutton Hotel. (2) the on site reporter said he had just got off the phone with a team executive, higher than a GM, who told him that he expected a deal to be done based around a higher hard cap, a salary drag tax that would work as a soft cap, a franchise player who's salary would not count against the hard cap, and the 24 % roll back. If you tune in every 20 minutes. they should repeat it. Sounds promising.





Someone posted this over on hfboards.com
 

dem

Member
Meeting are over and no one is saying anything.

Rumour is theyre meeting again TOMORROW in NY.


Deal almost done? :D
 

dem

Member
Rumours abound that the NHL is doing another proposal today.

50 mil hard cap
40 mil soft cap
1 franchise player outside of the cap


A deal has to be done by this weekend. Theres NO time left.
 

theo

Contest Winner
and whats their proposal for fans?
cheaper ticket prices?
they should have a ticket price cap, hockey tickets are ridiculous, and i'll be damned if i'm gonna support them at those prices when they decide to play again. i hope i'm not alone on this one.


i still miss hockey though...
 

dem

Member
Apparently the PA rejected the offer... and the proposal was only like a 42 million dollar cap.

These rumours suck
 

SickBoy

Member
I thought it when the lockout started (based on the asumption that the owners were actually not going to roll over, but today, I really think the season is done. Doesn't really bother me...

...I'd rather go without hockey than have a broken system in place.
 
dem said:
Rumours abound that the NHL is doing another proposal today.

50 mil hard cap
40 mil soft cap
1 franchise player outside of the cap


A deal has to be done by this weekend. Theres NO time left.

I like it.

Get her done!

The Penguins payroll is only like $17 million or so, though. However, I think a cap around 40-50 million sounds about right for the NHL. Certainly nothing higher than that.
 
It would be a farce if the NHL had a season this year being so late in the game.

Then again, its not like anyone in the US is actually watching.

The players will cave. If not this week, then at some point over the summer.

What will probably happen is they'll accept a cap, but it'll be a shorter term deal.
 
dem said:
Apparently the PA rejected the offer... and the proposal was only like a 42 million dollar cap.

These rumours suck
YES THEY SURE FUCKING DO, SO STOP POSTING THEM LIKE THIS:

dem said:
Meeting are over and no one is saying anything.

Rumour is theyre meeting again TOMORROW in NY.


Deal almost done? :D
Deal almost done? :D

When the most optomistic thing about the entire process for the past year is that subordinates got together for 3 meetings and then declared that they're still depressingly far apart, that's sort of a sign that optimism is not to be granted when the two figureheads with even less flexibility get together for a meeting.

The entire process is frustrating because nothing is getting done and yet it's reported on 24/7. At least with the whole Bertuzzi stuff we got to see hockey hilights.

Also, could somebody explain to me the difference between a hard and soft cap? I assume a soft cap doesn't include bonus incentives or something?
 
A "soft cap" is similar to the NBA, where you can theoretically go over the "soft cap" limit, but what ends up happening is you end up paying luxury tax on each dollar you spend beyond the soft cap threshold.

A "hard cap" means there's no way a team can go beyond that set salary.

So if there's a soft cap at $40 million dollars and a hard cap at $50 million, it means your payroll can exceed $40 million if you want, but you will have to pay luxury tax penalities for every dollar beyond $40 million. And no franchise can spend more than $50 million.

Personally, if that's what the deal is, I think the players should take it and shut the feck up.
 
Aaaaaaaaand reports from TSN are coming in saying nothing was achieved and the season is basically over.

Season will be saved? :D
 
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