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[Ithil]

At this stage, best option is to just have Brodus Clay return at the Rumble itself, and clean house for a while.

The general audience have already long forgotten who he is, the vignettes for his return were back in freaking November, and he only ever gets a brief off hand mention once per show now.

 

[Shadowlink]

I'm hoping for Ziggler to win the Royal Rumble.

 

[Ithil]

If the final four in the Rumble turned out to be Ziggler, Cody, Sheamus and Barrett, I'd just about faint from shock (and delight).

 

[Kaladin]

It would be brilliant if Brodus Clay debuts as Johnny Ace's enforcer.


Also, Dolph Ziggler can't win the Rumble, he has a title shot that night.

 

[Liquidsnake]

At this stage, best option is to just have Brodus Clay return at the Rumble itself, and clean house for a while.

The general audience have already long forgotten who he is, the vignettes for his return were back in freaking November, and he only ever gets a brief off hand mention once per show now.

Can someone explain to me why his debut has been the most botched in history?
They have already buried him.

 

[Ithil]

It would be brilliant if Brodus Clay debuts as Johnny Ace's enforcer.


Also, Dolph Ziggler can't win the Rumble, he has a title shot that night.

Hasn't stopped guys before. I remember Angle having a match at one Rumble, but still showing up in the Rumble itself.

 

[Shadowlink]

It would be brilliant if Brodus Clay debuts as Johnny Ace's enforcer.


Also, Dolph Ziggler can't win the Rumble, he has a title shot that night.

Did you forget the last few PPVs? He'll probably be in the Royal Rumble if he pulls double duty that night.

 

[Kaladin]

Hasn't stopped guys before. I remember Angle having a match at one Rumble, but still showing up in the Rumble itself.

Was it a title match though? I don't think they put someone in the rumble if they can potentially be a champion by the end of the night.

 

[NihonTiger90]

Can someone explain to me why his debut has been the most botched in history?
They have already buried him.

Apparently, they have him in the script every show and keep cutting him. I suspect it's Vince's doing.

 

[funkystudent]

Randy ortan is gonna win the rumble and you would be silly to expect anything else.


Number 30... Wins the match in less then a minute of entering.


I'm calling it

 

[jmdajr]

If the final four in the Rumble turned out to be Ziggler, Cody, Sheamus and Barrett, I'd just about faint from shock (and delight).

Has Kevin Nash been fired? REMEMBER! He got the biggest POP at the Rumble, but HHH let him down. Redemption?

 

[Shadowlink]

Was it a title match though? I don't think they put someone in the rumble if they can potentially be a champion by the end of the night.

I thought the Royal Rumble was the last match of the night?

 

[Ithil]

Can someone explain to me why his debut has been the most botched in history?
They have already buried him.

My guess is, they want to make sure he debuts with a lot of force, so he'll have momentum, but at the same time they don't care about it enough to just make sure it happens on time.

So they want it to happen one way, but it's not important enough to be facilitated, instead they're just going to wait for the opportunity to arise rather than make it arise.

 

[Uno Venova]

This should be everyones favourite part of 2011.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuOavBgmsIY

I remember how I watched that promo like 4 times before the PPV.

Good times, only real bright spot of last year. That and the Rock.

 

[Kaladin]

I thought the Royal Rumble was the last match of the night?

It is, but my point though is if someone is involved in a title match at the Royal Rumble, they historically do not include that person in the Rumble. I went back to Rumble 2006 and no one involved in a WWE or World Heavyweight championship match was included in the Rumble match.

You have to go back to 2005 when JBL defeated The Big Show and Kurt Angle to retain the WWE Championship and Kurt Angle showed up in the Rumble later that night. He was eliminated by HBK in 37 seconds.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

YAY! ROH! ROH! ROH!!!

RING OF HONOR WRESTLING CLEARS ADDITIONAL MARKETS

(January 9, 2012 – Baltimore, MD) Ring of Honor Wrestling is proud to announce the first additions of 2012 to it's growing lineup of affiliate stations across the United States. ROH now airs on over 50 Sinclair Broadcast Group stations in 42 markets reaching a total of 25% of US households. As our station lineup continues to grow in 2012 we want to thank each and every ROH fan that views our weekly one-hour program on these great affiliates. We look to continue to provide some of the best and most exciting pro wrestling action anywhere.

Look for Ring of Honor on these stations:

Salt Lake City, Utah
KUTV (CBS) began airing Ring of Honor on January 7th, 2012 - Saturdays 1:30am
KMYU (MYTV) began airing Ring of Honor on January 7th, 2012 - Saturday 9pm

Austin, Texas
KEYE (CBS) began airing Ring of Honor on January 7th, 2012 - Saturdays 12:30am

West Palm Beach, FL
WTCN (MYTV) began airing Ring of Honor on January 7th, 2012 Saturday 8-9pm
WTVX (CW) began airing Ring of Honor on January 7th, 2012 – Saturdays 11pm-12M

Medford, Oregon
KTVL (CBS) will air Ring of Honor starting on January 16th, 2012 - Saturdays 11:30pm

Grand Rapids, Michigan
WWMT (CBS) will air Ring of Honor starting on March 3rd, 2012 - Saturdays 12:30am.
WWMT.2 (CW) will air Ring of Honor starting on March 3rd. 2012 - Saturdays 11pm.

Lansing, Michigan
WLAJ (ABC) will start airing Ring of Honor on March 3rd, 2012 - Saturdays at 11pm.
WLAJ (CW 100+) will start airing Ring of Honor on March 2nd, 2012 – Fridays at 2am

ROH in Austin...AWESOME. Hopefully, this puts us on the tour schedule soon.

Only thing is it's kinda sucky to make the press release TWO DAYS AFTER the programs already debuted in those markets, but whatever, I'll catch it next week.

 

[Ithil]

Was it a title match though? I don't think they put someone in the rumble if they can potentially be a champion by the end of the night.

Well Angle wasn't supposed to be in Rumble, story wise, he lost a title match if I recall, then stole someone's number afterwards to get in the Rumble (apparently you can do that).

I would assume Ziggler loses to Punk, then worms his way into the Rumble anyway.
No way will they lose to chance to have him flung around the ring during the Rumble, even if they're not having him win.

Ziggler wasn't in last year's Rumble because he was in the WHC match, but he's in a totally different place one year later.

 

[MetatronM]

Ziggler wasn't in last year's Rumble because he was in the WHC match, but he's in a totally different place one year later.

Ziggler was in last year's Rumble. He was number 31.

 

[Kaladin]

ROH in Austin...AWESOME. Hopefully, this puts us on the tour schedule soon.

Only thing is it's kinda sucky to make the press release TWO DAYS AFTER the programs already debuted in those markets, but whatever, I'll catch it next week.

I don't expect ROH to expand their touring sights too much outside of their normal range. I had hoped that having several stations carry the program in Florida would mean we'd get some shows down here outside of a Mania weekend but Cornette thinks Florida is ruined for regular wrestling shows due to TNA running all of their shows free in the state. He actually told me this last year in Atlanta.

 

[Kaladin]

Ziggler was in last year's Rumble. He was number 31.

So he was, I missed that one. So him and Angle are both the exceptions to the rule

 

[G-Fex]

Man nwa is going to be awesome tonight.

And I missed most of 2011 (least the good stuff) So i'll say favorite thing is punk shoot I guess?

 

[Shadowlink]

I don't think Cody will win because they're saving Cody vs Goldust for Wrestlemania. I doubt Barret will win because they'll probably save Orton vs Barret for Wrestlemania, and I think Orton will come back during the RR match to take out both Barret and himself, and start fighting outside the ring. I guess Sheamus has a chance at winning the RR then.

 

[Ithil]

Ziggler was in last year's Rumble. He was number 31.

So he was. I must be misremembering that Rumble.

 

[Host Samurai]

Besides the booking and writing, I think WWE's biggest problem these days is that the wrestlers just suck at wrestling. Compare watching a normal match today and compare it to a normal match from the 70's/80's/90's and there is a huge drop in in ring quality. The matches use to tell a story and would progress from slow low impact moves to higher impact moves and not all matches ended with a signature move or a heel run in. The crowd use to be red hot into the action even in the New Generation era. Watch SummerSlam 94 with Razer vs Diesel for the IC title. Technically it was not the best match, but it told a great story in the ring and the crowd ate it up. It looked like they both wanted to win that worthless leather strap.

 

[Kaladin]

I don't think Cody will win because they're saving Cody vs Goldust for Wrestlemania. I doubt Barret will win because they'll probably save Orton vs Barret for Wrestlemania, and I think Orton will come back during the RR match to take out both Barret and himself, and start fighting outside the ring. I guess Sheamus has a chance at winning the RR then.

Jericho will come out as #30 and win the Rumble while still waving at the crowd due to the other guys fighting and eliminating themselves.

 

[NihonTiger90]

Didn't see this posted, but here's some 2012 Chikara event dates!

"The Thirteenth Hat"
Saturday, January 28th
The Palmer Center
Easton, PA

"A Death Worse Than Fate"
Saturday, February 25th
Goodwill Beneficial Association
Reading, PA

"Caught in the Spider's Den"
Sunday, February 26th
NYWC Sportatorium
Long Island, NY

"Green Ice"
Saturday, March 24th
Trio Sportplex
Vaughan, ONT

"It’s How You Play the Game"
Sunday, March 25th
Knights of Columbus Hall
Ottawa, ONT

"Hot Off the Griddle"
Saturday, April 28th
Logan Square Auditorium
Chicago, IL

"The Contaminated Cowl"
Sunday, April 29th
Lafayette, IN

"Aniversario: The Ogg and I"
Sunday, May 20th
Highline Ballroom
Manhattan, NY

 

[MetatronM]

So he was, I missed that one. So him and Angle are both the exceptions to the rule

Randy Orton was also in last year's Royal Rumble after losing the WWE title match to The Miz.

 

[Kaladin]

Didn't see this posted, but here's some 2012 Chikara event dates!

"The Thirteenth Hat"
Saturday, January 28th
The Palmer Center
Easton, PA

"A Death Worse Than Fate"
Saturday, February 25th
Goodwill Beneficial Association
Reading, PA

"Caught in the Spider's Den"
Sunday, February 26th
NYWC Sportatorium
Long Island, NY

"Green Ice"
Saturday, March 24th
Trio Sportplex
Vaughan, ONT

"It’s How You Play the Game"
Sunday, March 25th
Knights of Columbus Hall
Ottawa, ONT

"Hot Off the Griddle"
Saturday, April 28th
Logan Square Auditorium
Chicago, IL

"The Contaminated Cowl"
Sunday, April 29th
Lafayette, IN

"Aniversario: The Ogg and I"
Sunday, May 20th
Highline Ballroom
Manhattan, NY

Am I missing something or did they forget King of Trios?

 

[billy beane]

So he was, I missed that one. So him and Angle are both the exceptions to the rule

Orton was in it too, after he lost to The Miz.

I really depends on how deep the roster is at the time whether the losers of title matches enter the Rumble. Last year there were 40 men, so they had to pad it out somehow.

 

[Kaladin]

Randy Orton was also in last year's Royal Rumble after losing the WWE title match to The Miz.

Well, they had to fill in those 10 extra slots.

 

[NihonTiger90]

Am I missing something or did they forget King of Trios?

Didn't see a date on their website yet for that. I'd suspect it'll be in April again.

 

[Kaladin]

Didn't see a date on their website yet for that. I'd suspect it'll be in April again.

They already have a weekend for the end of April.

 

[Liquidsnake]

Its kinda stupid, 2 months ago I got a teaser for his debut. Its Jan 2012 and nothing, except a promise by JL that hell be on next week. So stupid how they have handled him. If hes not ready, send him back to Florida then. Stop wasting my time!

 

[Entropia]

The fuck? Chikara is going to fucking VAUGHAN?!

Why couldn't they come to London or K-W

 

[Kaladin]

Its kinda stupid, 2 months ago I got a teaser for his debut. Its Jan 2012 and nothing, except a promise by JL that hell be on next week. So stupid how they have handled him. If hes not ready, send him back to Florida then. Stop wasting my time!

Could be worse, could be like Andy Levine and be involved in an angle with Vince on his first night on RAW and never be heard from again.

 

[DKehoe]

Am I missing something or did they forget King of Trios?

They have been talking about dropping it for a while I think, I guess due to expenses. Shame to see it go if that is the end.

 

[Kaladin]

They have been talking about dropping it for a while I think, I guess due to expenses. Shame to see it go if that is the end.

They're also missing the ECW Arena to run it in this year too, I'm sure the larger size of that vs some of the places they usually run helped them recoup some of the costs.

 

[funkystudent]

Could be worse, could be like Andy Levine and be involved in an angle with Vince on his first night on RAW and never be heard from again.

isnt he collecting ticket stubs in FCW now?


Thats what happens when you fail your drug tests and aren't best friends with Mr H's.

 

[Perspicacity]

Eh, even though it'll mostly follow the previously posted formula, I'm still pretty excited.
Jericho is one of the most interesting things to happen in wrestling since the Summer of Punk (and I was very lukewarm to his return before last Monday). That and I'm not bored yet of the current top baddies Ziggler + Otunga + Aces

Besides the booking and writing, I think WWE's biggest problem these days is that the wrestlers just suck at wrestling. Compare watching a normal match today and compare it to a normal match from the 70's/80's/90's and there is a huge drop in in ring quality. The matches use to tell a story and would progress from slow low impact moves to higher impact moves and not all matches ended with a signature move or a heel run in. The crowd use to be red hot into the action even in the New Generation era. Watch SummerSlam 94 with Razer vs Diesel for the IC title. Technically it was not the best match, but it told a great story in the ring and the crowd ate it up. It looked like they both wanted to win that worthless leather strap.

This is not the fault of the wrestlers. Wrestlers today are better than ever, but between the writers, the booking agents, and the commentary being the worst it's ever been they're all made to look like shit.

I'll also blame a lot of the issues to audience fatigue. Right now the WWE puts 4-10 hours of television programming on every week and they refuse to put anyone but full roster talent on air. In the past they'd be fine with putting enhancement talent and local talent on the undercard, as well as not using the exact same faces in every television main event.
Nowadays you get the same faces in every undercard match and every main event, so it's near impossible to get the crowd hot for any single match.

 

[Lunchbox]

is rumble 40 people again? do they even have 40 people in the roster?

 

[Uno Venova]

is rumble 40 people again? do they even have 40 people in the roster?

Back to 30.

 

[MG310]

I expect Orton to win but I think we're going to end up with a Triple Threat for that belt at Wrestlemania with Barrett/Bryan/Orton - maybe with Barrett or Orton winning the belt at Elimination Chamber.

Ziggler I think they'll hold off and have him win Money in the Bank at WM.

 

[Kaladin]

is rumble 40 people again? do they even have 40 people in the roster?

It's hard for me to think of 30 names who are regularly on TV to get into the rumble.

 

[BillRiccio]

They're also missing the ECW Arena to run it in this year too, I'm sure the larger size of that vs some of the places they usually run helped them recoup some of the costs.

No way CHIKARA doesn't do trios this year. Its their biggest dvd seller of the year. I wouldn't be surprised if its in NYC this year. I think they are going to add a bunch more dates then what's just announced. They do alot of double and triple shots and I just see alot of single weekend stuff. Seems like they are just announcing new and big markets early.

 

[Host Samurai]

While they are in better shape and more agile I find them lacking in telling a story in the ring. The way a match progress these days are too fast and the spots are very predictable with very little emotion going on. There is just a lack of competitiveness here. Back in the day when Yokozuna was steam rolling through every face on the roster, it actually looked like the faces wanted to beat him. Same with the Bret vs Owen matches, HBK vs Razer fued etc.

 

[Ithil]

It's hard for me to think of 30 names who are regularly on TV to get into the rumble.

Well in the Rumble plenty of the names aren't regularly on TV.

It's the most exposure a lot of jobbers get.

 

[spindashing]

Well in the Rumble plenty of the names aren't regularly on TV.

It's the most exposure a lot of jobbers get.

Yep. Expect to see people like Tyson Kidd, Yoshi Tatsu, and JTG in the Rumble.

I'm in it for the surprise entrants.

 

[Ithil]

While they are in better shape and more agile I find them lacking in telling a story in the ring. The way a match progress these days are too fast and the spots are very predictable with very little emotion going on. There is just a lack of competitiveness here. Back in the day when Yokozuna was steam rolling through every face on the roster, it actually looked like the faces wanted to beat him. Same with the Bret vs Owen matches, HBK vs Razer fued etc.

That's not their fault, though. It's entirely down to the booking, the commentary, the road agents, etc.

The actual wrestlers themselves are more skilled and able than ever.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

It's hard for me to think of 30 names who are regularly on TV to get into the rumble.

They'll come to you man. You'll be all "I thought they FE'd that guy" all night. Which one of those Croft and Barreta guys is gone? See, I already forgot.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

I don't expect ROH to expand their touring sights too much outside of their normal range. I had hoped that having several stations carry the program in Florida would mean we'd get some shows down here outside of a Mania weekend but Cornette thinks Florida is ruined for regular wrestling shows due to TNA running all of their shows free in the state. He actually told me this last year in Atlanta.

Texas is a completely different beast than Florida though. Florida has TNA, FCW, and FIP (the former sister promotion of ROH, now affiliated with Dragon Gate USA) all running shows.

Texas doesn't have any of that. There is maybe one decently-healthy indy in each major market here, and that's it. In Austin, it's ACW, which is only interesting to me because of it's "American Joshi" division, starring Portia Perez.

There is nothing on the level of TNA and FCW running in Texas.