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That show was good. There were some bad parts in the middle, but most of it was very entertaining.

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There's nothing wrong with it in terms of Punk's delivery, and it was certainly better than his opening promo with Ziggler, but I couldn't buy into what he was saying at all.

But really, like others have said. Great feel-good Raw where most everything worked well. If this is just the start of the build to RR and WM, I can't wait to see where they go in the coming weeks.
 
I'm framing this so it will be remembered.

I don't hate for the sake of hating. Most of the time the show sucks. That was basic good old fashion WRESTLING. 6 guys all with different gimmicks, feuds, and motivations WRESTLING a fun match, and guys on the mic doing WRESTLING promos that will eventually lead to GUYS WRESTLING. Shit's SO easy.

WRESTLING

WRESTLING
 
People really liked the John Cena CM Punk promo?

Marks.

I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where Punk told Johnny Ace how much he respected him and appreciated all he did for the WWE Universe, and although he doesn't agree with his decisions he'll FIGHT TO THE DEATH to defend Johnny's right to make them!
 
Yeah, very good show.

Ziggler with the great promo at the start, then a decent tag match and then that main event was awesome all the way.
 
That was a welcome change but it can't get me excited, as I fully expect this to be a tease and nothing more, and Cena to go back to Rise Above Hate to beat Kane at the Rumble.
Yeah, that's my main issue with this RAW. Decent stuff, but I know most of it is going nowhere. Cena will beat Kane at RR, and revert back to his usual self (he has to, or he loses the feud). The Punk thing at the end felt overdrawn and took too long to get to the point, plus I doubt it leads anywhere meaningful with Punk's character. Plus, the Perez stuff was terrible, and Brodus Clay was an exact retread from last week. If they don't give him an actual feud soon his gimmick will wear thin fast.
 
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That show was good. There were some bad parts in the middle, but most of it was very entertaining.[/QUOTE]

I don't think the show was bad at all.

Funkasaurus and Perez were the low points, and Punk was the eh point. He cuts a listenable promo for the first time in months, and it doesn't negate the shit promo he did earlier in the night. Extremely short-term memory must be an epidemic.
 
I don't think the show was bad at all.

Funkasaurus and Perez were the low points, and Punk was the eh point. He cuts a listenable promo for the first time in months, and it doesn't negate the shit promo he did earlier in the night. Extremely short-term memory must be an epidemic.
Yeah, the beginning of the night was terrible. Hell, the show was terrible up until the Cena part (although the R-Truth promo was pretty good).
 
guys I think I'm on Johnny's side

sorry

You know, Johnny Ace hasn't really done anything that is so outwardly heelish (until now.) Sure he was boring and made some unpopular decisions, but none of them seemed like he was intentionally trying to bring anyone down except for CM Punk at times. His speech about being disrespected despite the fact that he was just trying to do his job actually makes sense and gives Johnny Ace... dare I say it, a character.

With Ace, Bryan, Jericho, and Henry, we have some of the most interesting and unique heels in a long time.
 
Johnny Gargano posted an update about his injury on facebook;

Alright. Here goes.. I'll give you guys a basic synopsis of everything that went down with my injury. On January 1st I wrestled a show in WV.. I sorta tweaked my back/pelvis in that match.. It hurt.. but I figured it'd be alright. It nagged at me for a bit, but I figured it was something I could work through. No big deal.

On Saturday.. I don't know.. something just felt weird. My whole body was cramping up. I drank a ton of water, and thought I was just dehydrated. My lower back/abdomen started to swell. Every time I'd stretch or bend forward, a sharp twinge would go down both my legs. Needless to say.. I was scared out of my mind. I KNEW how big the match was, and what I needed to do. I just wasn't sure if my body would cooperate. I briefed Chuck Taylor on the situation and even had him bring out some water to the ring, just in case. It was probably the most nervous/dread I'd ever felt before a match. Not due to the situation.. but due to the uncertainty of my body.

I don't remember much of the match, honestly. I remember that within the first 2 minutes, my legs stopped working. I couldn't feel them. Just walking became a chore. I couldn't raise my legs, or even bend down. The pain was indescribable.. but I knew I couldn't stop. We went 25 more minutes.. and I took A LOT of stupid bumps. Was that a dumb decision? Maybe.. but it's not in my DNA to just give up. The match had a lot of hype, and being put in that spot meant the world to me. My mind was willing, but my body just wasn't capable, sadly.

As soon as the match ended, and the bit of adrenaline I had wore off.. All of my strength was gone. No more walking, no more moving.. just pain. They told me to stay in the ring and wait for medical attention and I remember saying "No! Get me out, there's one more segment. The shows not over, get me out so they can do it". They carried me to the back, and as soon as I went through the curtain, I collapsed.


A lot of thoughts were running through my head. Was I paralyzed? Am I going to wrestle again? I honestly didn't know. I hate hospitals, and needles, but the pain was unbearable. The ambulance came and took me to the hospital (first time I'd ever been in an ambulance, by the way). They put an IV in me (another first).. and filled me up with pain meds, etc. This is where I start to get groggy. Gabe stopped by, but I was already unconscious. They gave me a CAT scan which turned out okay. I randomly started throwing up. Needless to say, not one of my better nights.

I had a flight to catch back home at 9 AM. We decided I should try bear through to make that flight. So I was released, and taken to the airport. A wheelchair met me out front, and wheeled me through security, and to my gate, and onto the plane. That flight.. SUCKED. I can't tell you how much pain I was actually in during that flight. They then met me with another wheelchair, and wheeled me out front where my Dad picked me up and took me home. Where I've been in my bed for 2 days.. and looks to be the case for a while longer. I'm going to make an appointment with a specialist to try to get this sorted out, and see what it is. I'm still in a ton of pain, and walking is still very difficult.

I'd like to Thank EVERYONE for the kind texts, messages, and comments. I'm sorry I haven't replied yet, but I will. EVERYONE in the back that night that stayed by my side, checked on me, and did all they could to help me out. I'm truly blessed to have so many people care about me.

I apologize to anyone that was let down by the match. I really wanted it to be special. Trust me.. no one is more disappointed then I am. I really tried to give you all I had.. unfortunately it wasn't much that night. You deserved better. I'm really sorry.

Goddamn, that sounds nasty as hell. Hope he recovers and has no lasting effects, but you've got to question how sensible it was to wrestle a match like that in such a condition, especially considering all the nasty bumps on the apron he took.
 
I don't think the show was bad at all.

Funkasaurus and Perez were the low points, and Punk was the eh point. He cuts a listenable promo for the first time in months, and it doesn't negate the shit promo he did earlier in the night. Extremely short-term memory must be an epidemic.

Yes his promo at the start was bad, but it was short and came at the end of an awesome Ziggler/Foley promo, so his lengthy one at the end trumps it.
 
Yeah, that's my main issue with this RAW. Decent stuff, but I know most of it is going nowhere. Cena will beat Kane at RR, and revert back to his usual self (he has to, or he loses the feud). The Punk thing at the end felt overdrawn and took too long to get to the point, plus I doubt it leads anywhere meaningful with Punk's character. Plus, the Perez stuff was terrible, and Brodus Clay was an exact retread from last week. If they don't give him an actual feud soon his gimmick will wear thin fast.

You realize some of the greatest personalities in wrestling have been created by using a very similar formula, don't you? I saw a house full of signs for they guy, and this is the first show of the second week his gimmick has been on TV.
 
I don't think the show was bad at all.

Funkasaurus and Perez were the low points, and Punk was the eh point. He cuts a listenable promo for the first time in months, and it doesn't negate the shit promo he did earlier in the night. Extremely short-term memory must be an epidemic.

I don't get why his earlier promo has anything to do with his later promo.

His promo at the start of the show was kind of shitty, particularly compared to Ziggler, who was really bringing it on the mic tonight. His promo at the end of the show was really good and a nice return to form.

What's the problem here?
 
You realize some of the greatest personalities in wrestling have been created by using a very similar formula, don't you? I saw a house full of signs for they guy, and this is the first show of the second week his gimmick has been on TV.
I love the gimmick. I just want him to actually do something. The WWE has a tendency to get guys going, then just forget about them. I'm just hoping the same doesn't happen to him.
 
He cuts a listenable promo for the first time in months, and it doesn't negate the shit promo he did earlier in the night. Extremely short-term memory must be an epidemic.

It doesn't negate it. He had a bad promo, but Ziggler stole that segment.

Yeah, the beginning of the night was terrible. Hell, the show was terrible up until the Cena part (although the R-Truth promo was pretty good).

Did you forget Ziggler's promo in the beginning? Extremely short-term memory must be an epidemic.
 
I don't see what Punk even has to be pissed off about.

That promo would have made a lot more sense post-getting screwed at the Rumble than it does now.

So he shouldn't be pissed off at the fact that Johnny is going to screw him at RR? What?

Or maybe the fact that Johnny has been screwing him for weeks now?
 
I don't get why his earlier promo has anything to do with his later promo.

His promo at the start of the show was kind of shitty, particularly compared to Ziggler, who was really bringing it on the mic tonight. His promo at the end of the show was really good and a nice return to form.

What's the problem here?

You can't be positive about RAW.
 
Very fun raw. (well exept for the diva's snooze fest but even that wasnt as bad as I would have guessed)


Cm Punk still comes across like a schoolyard bully in this John Laurinaitis feud though.

God damn it Johnny is doing a great job as Raw GM. It isnt his fault is a insecure asshole who thinks the world is out to get him.
 
I don't see what Punk even has to be pissed off about.

That promo would have made a lot more sense post-getting screwed at the Rumble than it does now.

Ace has been "kinda almost" messing with Punk for a while now. Ace making himself the ref at the Rumble plus reversing the match decision pushed Punk over the edge. At least the feud had a purpose now that Ace has shown his true colors. He's jealous that the "rebel" has reached heights even HE couldn't reach despite being a corporate suck up.

People were jumping with glee for that garbage last week, but are criticizing THIS episode? WTF?

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I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
 
Very fun raw. (well exept for the diva's snooze fest but even that wasnt as bad as I would have guessed)


Cm Punk still comes across like a schoolyard bully in this John Laurinaitis feud though.

God damn it Johnny is doing a great job as Raw GM. It isnt his fault is a insecure asshole who thinks the world is out to get him.

Except... Johnny admitted that he IS out to get him.

I don't know if you guys even pay attention or what...
 
That was a welcome change but it can't get me excited, as I fully expect this to be a tease and nothing more, and Cena to go back to Rise Above Hate to beat Kane at the Rumble.

Have Cena turn heel at R.R. and lose all those endorsements? Best bet ,they will do it at Wrestlemania so at least it will have maximum publicity as All-American Boy becomes Insane American Man.
 
Johnny Gargano posted an update about his injury on facebook;



Goddamn, that sounds nasty as hell. Hope he recovers and has no lasting effects, but you've got to question how sensible it was to wrestle a match like that in such a condition, especially considering all the nasty bumps on the apron he took.

Damn. Much respect for Gargano wrestling the kind of match he did hurt like that and on pure adrenaline.
 
I don't see what Punk even has to be pissed off about.

That promo would have made a lot more sense post-getting screwed at the Rumble than it does now.

Laurinitus appointed himself special guest ref for absolutely no reason, and Punk had strong reasons to suspect he was going to get screwed out of the goal of his life's work as a wrestler, and the biggest prize in the game, the WWE Championship, which, it turns out, was absolutely true.

How is this hard to follow?
 
I don't get why his earlier promo has anything to do with his later promo.

His promo at the start of the show was kind of shitty, particularly compared to Ziggler, who was really bringing it on the mic tonight. His promo at the end of the show was really good and a nice return to form.

What's the problem here?

There's no 'problem' here, it's just that he had a terrible promo, and a not-terrible one, but because of the general 'meh'-ness of his recent promo work, something that's marginally good ends up looking like a 'return to form' when it really isn't. And the promo really only looks good in contrast to what it's been recently compared to.
 
I know I said the writers don't know how to write for someone other than Cena, hence the misdirection for Punk and Ryder, but people are overly obsessed with claiming Punk is entirely Cena 2.

Nothing about his promo at the end was Cena.
 
I know I said the writers don't know how to write for someone other than Cena, hence the misdirection for Punk and Ryder, but people are overly obsessed with claiming Punk is entirely Cena 2.

Nothing about his promo at the end was Cena.
Exactly.

Also Ziggler was fire on the mic tonight.
 
Except... Johnny admitted that he IS out to get him.

I don't know if you guys even pay attention or what...

well yeah.


Only after about 6 months of Punk riding on him, making fun of the way he talks. calling him a douchebag on live TV, belittling the mans work and making him look a fool.

If I was John I would totally be out to get punk as well.



I know they want to capture a little of the stone cold vs Vince magic here but they have to do something to make Laurinaitis more evil. So far I totally see why he might be pissed at Punk.
 
Damn. Much respect for Gargano wrestling the kind of match he did hurt like that and on pure adrenaline.

Kinda stupid, IMO. Especially considering that crowd didn't give two shits about any of the matches on that card, and that was clearly apparent before their match started. They were just there to see guys hit each other with objects like the "good old days."

It's the same kind of stupid that has guys killing themselves and scarring themselves for life in front of 28 people for a payday consisting of a handful of Axel Rotten's stolen food stamps, IMO.

And I say this as a Gargano fan. He is too good to waste on those Philly nostalgia d-bags.
 
well yeah.


Only after about 6 months of Punk riding on him, making fun of the way he talks. calling him a douchebag on live TV, belittling the mans work and making him look a fool.

If I was John I would totally be out to get punk as well.



I know they want to capture a little of the stone cold vs Vince magic here but they have to do something to make Laurinaitis more evil. So far I totally see why he might be pissed at Punk.

Well...let's be honest, even as a face against the evil boss, Austin was an asshole. That's why people loved him.

Maybe Punk just comes across as more of a prick while Austin more came across as a uncontrollable animal.
 
After this weeks crowd, Corpus Christi should be on a permanent blacklist. They don't even deserve house shows.

well yeah.


Only after about 6 months of Punk riding on him, making fun of the way he talks. calling him a douchebag on live TV, belittling the mans work and making him look a fool.

If I was John I would totally be out to get punk as well.



I know they want to capture a little of the stone cold vs Vince magic here but they have to do something to make Laurinaitis more evil. So far I totally see why he might be pissed at Punk.

I now know how smarks complained back in 98.
 
I think I've figured out my main problem with Brodus Clay.

He's supposed to be the Funkasaurus, but he's super stiff and awkward every time he tries to dance.
 
well yeah.


Only after about 6 months of Punk riding on him, making fun of the way he talks. calling him a douchebag on live TV, belittling the mans work and making him look a fool.

If I was John I would totally be out to get punk as well.



I know they want to capture a little of the stone cold vs Vince magic here but they have to do something to make Laurinaitis more evil. So far I totally see why he might be pissed at Punk.

Johnny was out to get Punk from DAY ONE. Your attention span is worse than WWE's.

- Johnny Ace and the rest of Vince's Yes Men failed to promote Punk, almost had him fired if it wasn't for Shawn Michaels.
- Johnny Ace, along with Vince tried to Chicago Screwjob him, if it wasn't for Cena.
- Johnny Ace re-signed Nash.
- Johnny Ace then tried to fire him but Triple H rejected it.

etc etc.
 
You know, Johnny Ace hasn't really done anything that is so outwardly heelish (until now.) Sure he was boring and made some unpopular decisions, but none of them seemed like he was intentionally trying to bring anyone down except for CM Punk at times. His speech about being disrespected despite the fact that he was just trying to do his job actually makes sense and gives Johnny Ace... dare I say it, a character.

With Ace, Bryan, Jericho, and Henry, we have some of the most interesting and unique heels in a long time.

The greatest thing about Ace is that he keeps "accidentally" screwing Punk over on purpose, while openly endorsing Punk. It's just so slimy and manipulative and awesome.
I also like his interactions with everyone else on the roster as he's consistently dickish or kind to the same people, but his opinions seem to just be formed at random. He seems to hate Miz, REALLY hated Jomo, love Del Rio but hates Ricardo, likes Truth and then is just kind of a dismissive ass to the entire midcard.

Also, I'm curious about those who didn't like Punk's promo at the end. What did you think it was missing?
 
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