Japan debates pre-emptive strikes on North Korea

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Sallokin said:
Or we could just, you know, give them to them on the DL. It would serve our interests as much as theirs
The US does not want to be seen handing out nukes to other countries so that said countries could advance a US agenda.

As was mentioned briefly, Japan is considered a de-facto nuclear state due to the fact that they have the raw materials, technical knowledge, and financial capital to produce a bomb in less than a year if they were so inclined. But for various reasons, some of which should be pretty obvious, they do not yet have that inclination.
 
Sounds like japan is ready to unleash the Mech's of war

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*ahem* In all seriousness I hope that Japan dosn't get over it's head and bite off more then they can chew...The last thing I want is for something bad to happen to them... Then we might NEVER get the next legend of zelda!
 
Angels of a Wing said:
Sounds like japan is ready to unleash the Mech's of war

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Lol, that would be interesting a mech battle, right in front of me, but I really wouldn't want anyone to get hurt in reality.

*ahem* In all seriousness I hope that Japan dosn't get over it's head and bite off more then they can chew...The last thing I want is for something bad to happen to them... Then we might NEVER get the next legend of zelda!
Yeah, I see what you mean. It would really hurt me to not see more of series I love, but I doubt that would happen.

Well, after seeing how North Korea is really like (someone posted pics of the country, when he visited) and all I have to say is that it's pretty scary there. I do hope Japan can come up with a more peaceful approach, to stopping North Korea, but as of right now, I'm not really sure.
 
I love how Japan could be going to war and a lot of people could die, and people are concerned with getting their Zelda games. :lol
 
Mana Knight said:
Well, after seeing how North Korea is really like (someone posted pics of the country, when he visited) and all I have to say is that it's pretty scary there.
Visited?

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One does not simply walk into North Korea!
 
If you think about it, there is a chance it can affect the video game industry if one of Korea's cow dung missles successfully strikes Kyoto. We may never get another mario/zelda again.
 
Poody said:
If you think about it, there is a chance it can affect the video game industry if one of Korea's cow dung missles successfully strikes Kyoto. We may never get another mario/zelda again.
Well, I hope these companies are smart enough to regularly back up their data and place it in a bunker, deep inside a mountain, miles away from civilization.
 
Blackace said:
Japan will have a fully deployable army ready in a month or so with reserves training and ready in 3 to 6 months... if they decided to go ahead with this today... this country (if the people know it or not) is primed for this..

Exactly. Japan's defense budget is already at $44 billion a year. That's more than the UK, India, and only $1 billion shy of France.
 
Japan is modernizing its forces constantly and has one of the biggest defence budgets in Asia. A Japan vs N. Korea would be a massacre. But if china/russia decides to secretly back N. korea then it may be a different story.
 
Really, why is Japan so damn stupid ? It's like they still think the empereror will save them

they are playing the North at their own game.

Kim Il simply wants more cash/support, he's threateing all this crap, but this time i think Japan and the US are calling his bluff.
 
Boogie said:
Exactly. Japan's defense budget is already at $44 billion a year. That's more than the UK, India, and only $1 billion shy of France.

Not only that but unemployment/part-time job rate of people ages 20-28 is at an all time high of 12% and 16%...meaning they have a military waiting to happen right there...

But to be fair a lot of that budget is tied up in paying the US...
 
Really, why is Japan so damn stupid ? It's like they still think the empereror will save them

How so? They are playing their cards pretty damn well right now.. I mean Japan has gone out of their way to piss off people in Asia so they could get a deployable military. Also the US has so much vested in Japan that they cannot allow them to be attacked so basically if they go to war first America has to help defend Japan...
 
Seriously Japan, Mobile Suits...lets do this. Me applieing for Japanese citizenship depends on their decision.
 
the way I see it, Japan doesn't have much of a choice. North Korea can't strike at the US, and thus if it wants to pursue military actions (which I don't think it does) it's only options are to strike American allies in the region... Tokyo being the main one. And if you're sitting in Tokyo, charged with the defense of your people, you're realizing a few things. The first of which is that the United States isn't going to strike at North Korea until North Korea actually hits more than an ocean.

Simply put, Japan is forced to cover their own ass because the United States won't risk World War 3 to protect the people of Japan. This might even be good for the United States, because if a strike against North Korea comes from Japan, the world (And the US) can poo-poo the Japanese for the world to see while still getting rid of the launchpad and possibly missiles that North Korea has. I think, in all honesty, that if a diplomatic solution fails, this may indeed be the United States' best COA
 
A lot of North Koreans receive remittances from the Chosen nationals still in Japan, so I'm sure the North Koreans themselves don't want a conflict with Japan if for the sake of economical reasons.

GreekWolf said:
Good. I hope Japan wipes them off the face of the earth. The world will celebrate their demise.

Think of the protests 60 years from now.
 
Ford Prefect said:
I would hope that Japan would've learned their lesson that a pre-emptive strike might lead to trouble on the home front.

yeah...but again at that time they had no allies...no one else to pull into a war with them
 
Blackace said:
yeah...but again at that time they had no allies...no one else to pull into a war with them

Well, there was always Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy... but yeah, I agree that WWII in Asia was largely their own effort (and Korea's).
 
cvxfreak said:
Well, there was always Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy... but yeah, I agree that WWII in Asia was largely their own effort (and Korea's).


weren't they allies made in heaven? "let's join forces with people who think the perfect race looks nothing like us!!" -leaders of Germany/Japan
 
Blackace said:
weren't they allies made in heaven? "let's join forces with people who think the perfect race looks nothing like us!!" -leaders of Germany/Japan
What exactly did they end up doing for each other, anyway?
 
if japan was smart, they would be like "hey korea, lets team up and repair our shitty relationship" "well get rid of kim jong il and then north korea will be yours, all we ask in return is that you guys stop making mmorpgs"
 
Zyid said:
What exactly did they end up doing for each other, anyway?

Well, their alliance was mainly geared against the Soviet Union, since that country conflicted with the policies both nations ran on before and during the war (and Hitler hated the Soviets).

When the Soviet army defeated the Japanese in 1939 in Mongolia (Inner?) the Japanese became turned off on the idea of invading the Soviet Union, so Japan and the Soviets signed a pact stating they wouldn't fight each other. But still, Germany and Japan's alliance could be used against the British Empire, especially in the Indian Ocean area (vital to Britain's war effort in Europe) so it was still valid. The Germans and Japanese were to establish lines of communication in the Indian Ocean, which the British dominated. It never quite happened that way, however.

So, what actually DID happen was that Hitler declared war on America, hoping Japan would do the same with the Soviet Union eventually. That didn't happen until the reverse did towards the end of the war.

When the Germans were almost defeated, last year there were reports that Hitler wanted to escape to Japan and in return would give them their research on an atomic bomb. Japan sent a submarine, but it never reached Germany as it was sunk in the Indian Ocean. I don't know how valid this actually is, but it seems likely.
 
What do you suppose would happen if North Korea suddenly had an opps and let loose a single biologically tipped shell into Seoul ...? WWIII?
 
Dr. Jade said:
What do you suppose would happen if North Korea suddenly had an opps and let loose a single biologically tipped shell into Seoul ...? WWIII?
Biologically? I believe they've been focusing their WMD research on nukes...which they already have several of.

If they dropped one of those...well firstly I doubt they'd do it on South Korea. South and North Korean relations have improved significantly of late. North Korea practically subsists on South Korean grain. If anything they'd want to take South Korea intact. Nuking the Korean penninsula could have fallout effects on the North as well - all around a bad idea from every angle. If North Korea attacks anyone, the target would most likely be Japan.

If they nuke Japan, the US would probably saturate North Korea with enough nukes to annihilate all traces of Kim Jong Il's government. Deterrance - still the best counter to nuclear weapons.
 
Let Japan do it. If China has a problem, let Japan preemptively strike the Three Gordges Dam.
 
The only real question being fielded here is whether Abe can find the political support, nationally (likely given the 7/5 launches that will also probably hand him the post of PM) and internationally (unlikely for obvious reasons), to get away with taking the necessary response to North Korea without making waves by going ahead with the fait accompli renunciation of Article 9.
In other words, it's a dummy balloon sent up to see what the Americans think, and probably to pressure them to take a stance similar to Japan's; the other thing it accomplishes is, given a failure on semantic grounds, creating another argument for said renunciation.
 
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