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Mrbob said:
I've seen the argument about the subjectivity of value, and how some may not value some features etc. etc. Feel free to form your own opinion on its relative value for yourself, but an objective look simply has to take everything into account, and how much it'd cost you elsewhere. I'm simply arguing there'd be more hardware per dollar versus what's on offer this holiday season, and that much is true. Whether you find use for that hardware is another matter entirely, and is up to yourself (but honestly, anyone with a HDTV I'm sure could make use of a Bluray player at the very least, unless they plan to spend perhaps up to twice as much on a dedicated player - but if so, don't expect me to sympathise with complaints about a $500 PS3
).For me, hardrive >>> blueray player. In fact, if sony came out with 2 versions of the ps3, one with blueray and one without blueray, I'd get the non-blueray PS3 even if it was only $50 cheaper.
$500 is way too much for any console, but I don't expect a price greater than $400 anyway.
$500 is way too much for any console, but I don't expect a price greater than $400 anyway.
Baron Aloha
A Shining Example
If they are talking to Japanese developers the price might also be the price in Japan.
IIRC the PS2 cost $450 in Japan when it launched in 2000 so another $50 is not that much of an increase. This would put the price in NA somewhere around $350-$400.
IIRC the PS2 cost $450 in Japan when it launched in 2000 so another $50 is not that much of an increase. This would put the price in NA somewhere around $350-$400.
gofreak said:I've seen the argument about the subjectivity of value, and how some may not value some features etc. etc. Feel free to form your own opinion on its relative value for yourself, but an objective look simply has to take everything into account, and how much it'd cost you elsewhere. I'm simply arguing there'd be more hardware per dollar versus what's on offer this holiday season, and that much is true. Whether you find use for that hardware is another matter entirely, and is up to yourself (but honestly, anyone with a HDTV I'm sure could make use of a Bluray player at the very least, unless they plan to spend perhaps up to twice as much on a dedicated player - but if so, don't expect me to sympathise with complaints about a $500 PS3
Yeah we may be talking about two different things. Value per dollar versus perceived value. PS3 may have value per dollar but when X360 games look nearly the same as PS3 games and the core system is half the price (Assuming 500 dollars versus 250) even the ardent of Sony supporters are going to do a double take.
But I think we are arguing over nothing because I don't see the PS3 costing over $399. I still think it'll come in at $299 or $349 value package.
Agreed. Sony will lose big money off the PS3 to establish Blu-ray as the DVD replacement just like Microsoft did with the Xbox to establish itself in the video game industry.Zaxxon said:
And it will cost the same as whatever Microsoft is selling the Xbox 360 for at the time.
Possibly even in Japan.
gofreak said:
That's a pretty stupid argument when what's on offer this holiday season will probably be cheaper next holiday season. Next Xmas the PC graphics cards will have more hardware per dollar than what's on offer this holiday season for the same price, it's true and therefore I feel smart. :lol
hadareud said:
Who knows about features, but the quality of the playback should be fine. Supply of BD-Rom drives will be limited enough next year - I think it's probable that the ones going into PS3 will be pretty much the same as the ones going into other players, starting out.
As for your other point, that's again the "perceived value" versus objective value, simply looking at the components etc.
damisa said:
We'll see how that plays out. All I know is, reports have suggested Bluray players will be well north of $500 upon their introduction.
Shompola said:
It's of course not the major reason - its role as a games machine should be that - but it's a nice big feature that factors into the offering it makes. The question is - what's the barrier to entry for playing back Bluray movies? However much that costs, represents the value offered by that one feature on PS3 (if you wanted to put a monetary value on it).
Il Comodino
sorry about his english
Stringer already say that Ps3, cost between 300$ 400$.
gofreak said:
Your argument is dependant on too many ifs to have any merit IMO especially with the cost of goods coming down over time bleeding edge tech like the PS3 is hardly ever the best value proposition. Your objective look is hardly objective at all cause of all facts you're ignoarant to to make such a statement.
Il Comodino said:
He didn't. There was an article featuring his comments, wherein the journalist said that, probably based off a movie exec's comments in the same article. Unless there was something else?
Sony hasn't said anything specifically about PS3's price, in terms of figures or a range. There's been reports of Sony saying things to partners and so forth (which suggested 40,000 yen), but that's not from the horse's mouth.
D3VI0US said:
We'll see next year, but I'm confident of what I say. Bluray players aren't going to drop in price THAT quickly, they likely will only be available coincidental with PS3. Just keeping asking yourself how much a hypothetical combination of a X360, wifi, a hd-dvd add-on drive and the rest would cost next year at PS3's launch - however much you figure that'd likely cost is how much PS3 can afford to be before it becomes worse value.
gofreak said:I've seen the argument about the subjectivity of value, and how some may not value some features etc. etc. Feel free to form your own opinion on its relative value for yourself, but an objective look simply has to take everything into account, and how much it'd cost you elsewhere. I'm simply arguing there'd be more hardware per dollar versus what's on offer this holiday season, and that much is true. Whether you find use for that hardware is another matter entirely, and is up to yourself (but honestly, anyone with a HDTV I'm sure could make use of a Bluray player at the very least, unless they plan to spend perhaps up to twice as much on a dedicated player - but if so, don't expect me to sympathise with complaints about a $500 PS3
The Bluray aspect is only a value though if you can use it. It could be 2007 until we see fully functional dual layer BRD's. IOW, until then you'll be seeing SL-25 disks. That won't be a problem if they're encoded with some MPEG4 variant; but if it's encoded in MPEG2 there will be problems- the bitstream will be starved.
The whole question for me is full HD content. If it's there, then the PS3 may be worth it. If content release is retarded or bit-starved then, no, it's not worth it to me. In the paltry content offering scenario, the smart move would be to wait until we have more content or what's offered will be full HD IMO.
Ultimately, there are too many questions left unanswered for me to form a decision as to whether a $500 PS3 will be worth it at this point. That doesn't preclude it's potential value down the road though.
gofreak said:
Are you retarded? The 360 could easily be more valuable by having less hardware functionality at less cost and it could concievably be a better value. It doesn't have to match the PS3 to do so, value is what you get for what you pay. Not what you plus the cost of all the things you don't get compared to the cost of what you could get as an all in one solution.
Not to mention the value of streaming music and WMVHD videos from my PC, the value of custom soundtracks, the value of interfacing easily and seamlessly with my portable media devices, the value of a free albeit limited online gaming service, etc.
Also those $500+ Blu Ray players have value in their potential features that may not be in the PS3, for example the ability to record. The comparison isn't as cut and dry as you're making it especially since you don't know dick so seriously give your conjecture based value propositions a rest chiefo.
damisa said:
If you have any serious interest in movies, a Blu-Ray dvd player is a lot bigger deal than a Hard Drive. That's is likely to become THE thing to make use of an HDTV. There's channels and programming for HD on tv, but it's usually far and few between on the shows you really care about. Hardcore movie buffs will be willing to pay for the system's Blu-ray alone, to complement their home theaters and such. Not to mention the ability of the disc, how much information can be stored on a blu-ray disc. That is a HUGE plus. Surely I don't think people will jump for it like they did HDTV, but it will have it's crowd. And if you're in that crowd, this is a much bigger deal than a hard drive.
CosmicGroinPull
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MGS4 has me by the balls. I'll pay whatever Kutaragi asks. :/
God, Sony isn't retarded. Casual gamers tastes are not the same as the members of this board. A casual isn't going to pay much more than 400 for a system. They will wait or get a 360. Sony is probably gonna do something like 379 basic pack 429 premium, or 350/400. I would be willing to bet a substantial amount that it's not gonna be over 430. If it is, than MS will probably near equal Sony in total consoles sold for this generation. And with that kind of momentum MS may take Sony next generation. The public on a mass scale just cannot afford a gaming machine for 500 when you can get one that's near equal for half price. It remains to be seen whether people will give a flying fuck about Blu-ray movies. I know I don't, and none of my friends knows what that is, or even has an hdtv.
Aika'svyse
Banned
I don't care what anyone says if it comes in at 500 it's going to flop hard ,same as if the 360 or rev had been that price.
Mrbob said:
I for one, do not believe it will be $500.
Regardless, I'm simply stating that being able to play next gen games, and BluRay movies at $500 IS A VALUE. No arguing by you can dispute that. Whether you are willing to pay for it or not is another story ... but that doesn't change the fact it is a value.
I remember the huge uproar when GAF saw that 360 was going to be 300-400. Now we have people at Sony's heels lapping up an outrageous 500 price(if it's at all true). MGS4 isn't going to be out at launch. For the sake of the Industry, don't buy it at launch IF it's that high- force a price drop. I certainly don't want to have to wait forever until the PS3 becomes affordable to me, and I don't want to have to sit through more $500 launches in the future.