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If true, the mid sized developers in Japan must be getting cold feet on the PS3 right now since there simply won't be enough ps3 owners to buy any of their games in year 1. Factor in high development costs and the break even point might not even be realistic for most games with a medium to cult audiences in the first year unless Sony is willing to give out lots of subsidies to developers.
The thing that was so great about the PS2 was that it was a very well made product from a technical design standpoint. It had the right mix of power, features, and software library. It also tapped into a maturing video format (DVD) as opposed to trying to invent one, so it had huge network benefits from movie studios and anime companies making DVD releases which PS2 users could then use on their PS2. Sony didn't have to lift a finger there.
If its going to be that expensive, it will affect initial demand and the PS3 will lag in the first year or so of sales. This normally wouldn't be a problem, and I see Sony's long term widsom here since they're expecting the casual market to come in in year 2, 3and 4 when the prices have come down, but, if the PS3 launches too weak and doesn't get enough support, it could give Microsoft the breathing room they need to get lots of games out and steal the casual market a year ahead of Sony.
The problem with the PS3 and the PSP IMO is Sony trying to make both into high end consumer devices that will come down in price over time and attract buyers in the mid-range segment. It may work with camcorders and digital cameras, but in a content driven business, a weak start (perceived or real) could translate in loss marketshare as far as the eye can see.
The thing that was so great about the PS2 was that it was a very well made product from a technical design standpoint. It had the right mix of power, features, and software library. It also tapped into a maturing video format (DVD) as opposed to trying to invent one, so it had huge network benefits from movie studios and anime companies making DVD releases which PS2 users could then use on their PS2. Sony didn't have to lift a finger there.
If its going to be that expensive, it will affect initial demand and the PS3 will lag in the first year or so of sales. This normally wouldn't be a problem, and I see Sony's long term widsom here since they're expecting the casual market to come in in year 2, 3and 4 when the prices have come down, but, if the PS3 launches too weak and doesn't get enough support, it could give Microsoft the breathing room they need to get lots of games out and steal the casual market a year ahead of Sony.
The problem with the PS3 and the PSP IMO is Sony trying to make both into high end consumer devices that will come down in price over time and attract buyers in the mid-range segment. It may work with camcorders and digital cameras, but in a content driven business, a weak start (perceived or real) could translate in loss marketshare as far as the eye can see.
I'm not the typical GAFer, but with 5 mouths to feed I won't be buying any console, no matter the name on the front of it, for $500 or $399 (or a tard pack for $299). Heck with $59 games. I'd only pay that for Zelda, Halo, and probably nothing else. the heck with $50 controllers, too. I'm not shelling out for a HD set either. My standard def set is just fine. My EDTV LCD set is just fine. That crap has gotta stop or only the addicted hardcore gamers will be buying consoles.
Note to MS, Sony and Nintendo: make gaming affordable or I'll get my entertainment elsewhere. I doubt I am alone with that statement.
Note to MS, Sony and Nintendo: make gaming affordable or I'll get my entertainment elsewhere. I doubt I am alone with that statement.
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pestul said:
I don't generally follow Sony news, what is happening this week? The 360 launch? I think that if it were favorable, it'd be out be now.
Willy Wanka
my god this avatar owns
As long as it's £300 or under I will buy it. Anything more than that and I will wait for a pricedrop.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
damisa said:
But with X360, HDD is an option.....that will probably be the same situation with PS3 too, except you will have an BD-ROM drive as well....
The PS3 may or may not be expensive but it is a better value than the X360 in my eyes, ESPECIALLY when you take the horrendously expensive X360 accessories into account...
40 dollars for a 64MB flash memory card is madness when PS3 will allow Memory Sticks for save games......45 bucks will buy you a 512MB MS duo..
Wifi?
Revolution, PSP and PS3 have it, but MS expects me to pay $99 for a WiFi adapter when I can by an entire Nintendo DS with built in Wifi for $130?
Can you say Ripoff?
If Sony allows people to use standard 2.5inch SATA laptop Hard Drives in PS3, that will be a better value proposition compared to X360 too...
I mean what is the better value?
a 20GB X360 HDD for $99?
or this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822149020
X360 accessories are a rippoff, IMO....
WrathOfOtaibah
Banned
Sony can kiss my black ass for that price.
People here are such drama queens. Sony will be aiming at higher end or harcore users first. As always thats how it works. The other two cant afford to price on the same level since they are unproven. Blu ray is one of many things that show Sony will rule his gen. Doesnt take a genious.
Aika'svyse
Banned
If this thread is locked I will open up a can of kick pwn on whoever does it.
seriously, I think it's a legitimate concern and many 360 threads were left open.
seriously, I think it's a legitimate concern and many 360 threads were left open.
I have bought 3 PS2D3VI0US said:
one at launch which die at 2 years of age.
one on the first price drop wich lasted one year.
and one when the PStwo was released.
and I took care of the first two I'm very jealous with my things.
so yeah if true $500 will make me think 10 times before picking one specially for something that it's not guaranteed to last you a good deal of time. a good showing of software can easily sway me though, but if the 360 offers the same for a cheaper price I'll go with 360. $500 it's just too much if that's the price of hardware? what about the software? $80? and I don't give a shit whether I can use all of the PS3 features that doesn't sell me I want games that's all.
Exactly.P90 said:
This is even more extreme, but Sony already lost me after the PS1 (which I did own) just with a $300 price point. I was a high school student when the PS2 launched and I'm a college student now; I didn't and don't have infinite mounds of capital to toss around, nor do I feel like getting irreparably deep into debt.
SolidSnakex
Member
Jiggy37 said:
The PS2 launched for 300 in the US, same price as the PSone at launch. Can't really ask for much cheaper than that for a launch system with all those features.
WTF is wrong with you people? First you take it in the ass at 400$ FOR A FUCKING TOY, then smile, bend over AGAIN, AND SCREAM;
PLEASE SIR MAY I HAVE ANOTHER!
Good god. 400-500 VIDEOGAME SYSTEMS?
*future morons*~"FUCK YEA!!!!!! 100$ GAMES! It's a GREAT DEAL! IT COMES WITH THE MOVIE ON THE BLU-RAY DVD!!!!"
Thanks for taking it in the ass, and driving up the price for everyone else.
ASSHATS.
PLEASE SIR MAY I HAVE ANOTHER!
Good god. 400-500 VIDEOGAME SYSTEMS?
*future morons*~"FUCK YEA!!!!!! 100$ GAMES! It's a GREAT DEAL! IT COMES WITH THE MOVIE ON THE BLU-RAY DVD!!!!"
Thanks for taking it in the ass, and driving up the price for everyone else.
ASSHATS.
Onix said:
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SolidSnakex
Member
moku said:
There are pricedrops, just be patient and wait for them.
For sure. I'm just AGAST with people yelling YAY! for a FIVE-HUNDRED DOLLAR VIDEOGAME SYSTEM.SolidSnakex said:
It's like buying a gallon of milk for 10$ and saying; "It pour's itself! It worth it!!"
I mean c'mon. Revolt against high prices, don't accept them for fucks sake....
QFTmoku said:
I hate when people start accepting this type of bullshit, and spit out things like "well get a job or something" or "wait for a pricedrop" seriously, what the fuck wrong with you people paying $500 dollars for a console? are you people sane? when MS announced the 360 would cost $400 I cried and will wait for a price drop no way in hell I'm paying that much for a console let alone $500. suddenly handhelds are looking very attractive.
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I'm a technophile. While my stance of these companies here are well known. 500 dollars for what they are offering is cheap. You are still just looking at it as a gaming system. It is that, plus more. I don't watch movies so the Blu Ray drive wouldn't be a big pull to me. To another that cares about visual fidelity, they will be in heaven. A standalone Blu Ray player costs much more than the PS3 will. So, just off of that, in essense, it's a deal. They want to run the living room, both Sony and Microsoft. It just that the gaming system portion of their hardware is the easiest way to achieve that goal. I look at things differently I guess. I'm not rich by any means, but I'll go out and buy something if I really want it. I wanted an Alienware laptop, got it. Set me back over 4 grand, but I got it.
moku said:
PS3 is worth much more than a xbox 360. I think xbox 360 is too expensive to buy right now as most articles say. They just dont have the same value. Having said that games are the biggest factor. PS3 is obviously going to be the place where i spend most my money anyways. They clearly arent under the same pressure as MS and Nintendo. Notice how MS and Nintendo try to charge you wherever possible. They will milk their fans for all they are worth. Sony on the other hand are giving you a bargain. A well designed kit and software to boot.
Error2k4 said:
Then wait for a pricedrop. No one has a gun to your head to buy at launch.
If I hadn't won my 360 I wouldn't have bought one at launch. I felt that $400 for a non-crippled retard pack was excessive so I was going to wait until I could get one for $300 at most.
If the PS3 actually releases at a higher price, I'll be stunned. Just as I was with the 360, I won't be buying any console for over $300.
If the PS3 actually releases at a higher price, I'll be stunned. Just as I was with the 360, I won't be buying any console for over $300.
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Deg said:
Is that why SanDisk Pro Duos are cheaper than Sony's and are much better than Sony's performance wise? Sony's isn't holier than thou. All companies are guilty of that. I'd rather take the hit of buying something from a company like a Logitech. You know it's going to cost, but you know you are getting great quality too. None of the 3 console makers offer that.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
where the hell is all this coming from?
we don't know the price of the PS3, what configuration it's going to be in, how much the add-ons are, how much the software is, what price the online system is going to be, etc etc...
so how on earth can people be making this call on the PS3?
Not sure how it is in the US, but here in Japan for the PS2, we still get raped on things like the controllers, the (non backwards compatible) multitap, the HDD ($180 initially), the $25 memory cards...
Yes, IF sony allow us to use our own drives, if they drop the high pricing of perhipherals, if they blah blah blah blah blah....
No one knows whether they are getting a bargain or not yet, so lets just hold fire huh?
Agent Icebeezy said:
Memory Sticks have little to do with PS and SCEE. Sandisk arent exactly cheap either
Memory Sticks are worse than other standards. SD/MMC is the way to go.Error2k4 said:
Unless you were sarcastic or were never intending to buy PS3 i replyed correctly. :lol
DCharlie said:
We know what PS3 will roughly be like. We have the list of key components. We know they will be market leader, have most games, support etc.
Nintendo may do dumb stuff like connectivity from time to time, but buying the same amount of games and accessories is cheaper on the Gamecube than the other console. Cheaper memory cards, cheaper controllers, cheaper console. No DVD player so it loses many points there, but 1/10000000000 as likely to have to replace. Shame about the library.
Error2k4 said:
Actually, I think you're missing the point.
MS and Sony aren't trying to market video game systems. That is just part of their consoles' functionality.
You may not like the direction they are going, but you're denying reality if you pretend it isn't happening.
Speevy said:
The GC memory cards are the worst offenders and possibly the biggest markup in the history of memory cards. To top it off games like the Donkey Kong games barely had any content. They were barebones as they come. The budget of Nintendo games seemed very low etc. I just didnt see enough effort from them just a load of mouth and no action.