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[El_Mau]

its probably true but why is he so salty ?
what happened to him after ign ?

Maybe he got tired of this so called "game journalism", and the big companies trying to keep his mouth shut in exchange of "exclusive announcements".

Maybe, but who knows.

 

[Nafai1123]

Maybe this is why they removed the mandatory kinect use and upped the cpu and removed the mandatory OS use while gaming as MS must have been told by developers they cant freaking match multiplatform titles unless max resources are given to them. This probably will remove the ability to use kinect in some games and instant switching to OS. I am
Willing to bet the instant game to tv switching is gone too

I
Mean look at their ads they dont even mention tv or kinect anymore

I seriously doubt they would remove the only discernible difference between the XB1 and it's more powerful competition.

 

[Can Crusher]

It's true most people can't tell the difference.

It is not true, and people only don't notice the difference if they aren't allowed the comparison. We don't see better than other people, let's stop acting like we are some sort of human falcon hybrid and the rest of the population are clinically blind.

Pro Tip: If you sit far away enough from the T.V that you need to squint to read subtitles, you're doing it wrong.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

Esram has the same problems as cell processor had for Sony. It's something that developers are having a hard time getting a grasp off and requires some serious optimization. The first year or so on Xbone will be quite similar to PS3'S lackluster looking games compared to 360.

Will we see games getting better next year? Possibly. Will PS4 get better too? Absolutely.

Don't forget if both systems are perfectly optimized, there is still GPU gap and 32mb eSRAM limitations

 

[Into]

How?

I'm seriously baffled at how they SERIOUSLY thought that Sony would launch in 2014 with them.

Come the fuck on.

This gen would be NINE years old by then. What in the fuck?

Agree, though most people on GAF, and i remember this clearly, still believed that Microsoft would come out first (after Wii U) and Sony might slip into next year. I dont know where that whole idea came from, whether it was actually a rumor or whether people just fell back into the "well MS launched ahead Sony this gen, it will happen again" routine.

As soon as that February 20 unveil was teased, everyone and their mother knew it was PS4 and that it would launch this year. Why would Sony unveil something early 2013 and launch in 2014? And even before that, MS really did not get any info or leak from third parties which had to have known something?

Microsoft has been dragged into this gen, kicking and screaming

 

[Biochet]

If Ghosts was running 1080p nativally on the xbone, Microsoft would have rubbed that shit in everyone's face. The lack of promotion for the higher resolution and whatnot show that they want this under wraps until they can't no more then ride that shitstorm when it comes to their door, which is exetremely unbeneftical for them in the long run.

 

[MThanded]

 

[Lumyst]

Ah, then it truly will be the Kinect 2.0 features that must make up for these kinds of things. I will await feedback regarding Kinect 2.0 then from launch day buyers, since buying an Xbox One entails buying a Kinect 2.0 as well. So they better get that running flawlessly considering the price they're asking.

 

[Sanic]

Was it leaked somewhere that MS thought Sony was launching in 2014?

I can't recall reading that, and all of the conjecture/rumors as way back as 2010 pointed to a 2013 launch from both parties.

 

[Wynnebeck]

How they thought that after the PS3 is astonishing.

Let's get real though. All signs before February 20th pointed to Sony possibly going with a weaker platform for less money to help gain back the billions they lost from PS3 as a sort of PS3.5. MS had been raking in dosh for months prompting people to believe MS was gearing up to make a monster box that would crush Sony once and for all. It wouldn't be surprising if MS thought Sony was going to extend this gen as long as possible to make more money and even more so after Kaz told in an interview that Sony basically had no plans to announce a new system. Boom! There goes the Feb 20th Swindle.

 

[Foffy]

I'd prefer seeing the Xbox division in Microsoft fold completely in epic fashion this generation, allowing for a single dominant system that removes the need for cross platform support thereby increasing profit margins and making more fringe/experimental games viable.

Then with the next generation a new challenger (Samsung, Apple, Valve, etc.) steps into the void left by MS coupled with Nintendo having a better strategy resulting in them gaining back some worthwhile core market share.

Microsoft has shown us what their plan ultimately is for consumers. To take away ownership of games, to blackmail us for the "right" to sell those games back to only approved retail partners, to use us as a conduit to achieve greater ad revenue, and to only service the core gamer as long as it takes to get them in the door before shutting down that aspect of their business and focusing on blue ocean products for the mainstream.

They want to devalue everything the industry has previously been built on and replace end users as the primary customer with advertisers, under the assumption that gaming is a strong enough fetish industry to keep us all around even when they use us as veritable livestock to pad profits.

In short, they can no longer be trusted as a power player in the industry and need to be shown the exit, post-haste. It's time for a new 3rd player in the industry.

Damn, what you said is ether. I...I guess I agree with you. I mean, they could change: I mean, Sony clearly did with the way they're going with PS4. They have the right people in the right spots to benefit consumers and the guys invested in Sony. That being said, those who made Microsoft worth anything in the game industry probably aren't even with them anymore. The question becomes what kind of blood will Microsoft aim to keep in their body? New blood that try to get things to benefit the consumer, or more suits who just want to aim for the ever-climbing ceiling of profits? If it's the latter, I would only hope they lose consumer interest and marketshare.

 

[BronsonLee]

It's almost exactly like Sony. Even the 25% higher price point.

Exactly. And how long did it take Sony to recover from that? Hell, an argument could be made they didn't recover until now!

 

[rain elbows]

Hmmm (from Twitter):

 

[Vashetti]

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[RaikuHebi]

I can't fucking believe that Microsoft

A: Let Sony get the drop on them with the 2013 release
B: Let Sony get the drop on them with the specs

They basically did what Sony did with the start of the PS3, but I don't know if they can turn it around. That took Sony -years-.

That February conference (& to a lesser extent the E3 one) are going to be the stuff of legend soon

No way was that a lesser extent! E3 is where everything started getting real crazy. People were cheering at the games work offline and price reveal like it was a fucking rock concert!

 

[Live Free or Die]

I'm using a 32 inch TV and let me tell you: You're dead wrong.

I have a 32in. And I can't see any difference.

 

[NotXbox one]

do we really have to wait for Msft to announce it?

activision to be accurate

 

[HariKari]

Gaming journalism is in a pretty pathetic state of being right about now. I can't believe that reviewers who sign NDAs even exist. Agreeing not to talk about certain elements of the product you are reviewing defeats the entire purpose of an honest review and turns reviewers into nothing more than PR newswire pawns for the big corporations.

Most outlets are just relay stations in this industry. If anyone has definitive information that MS is about to unleash a product that was marketed deceptively and does not function properly, they should make that information public. We shouldn't have to rely on guys like CBOAT and Mortimer, as great as they are. Signing an NDA just makes you complicit with what MS wants to do, which is clearly minimize damage.

 

[Phrozenflame500]

Look guys, Microsoft's CLOUD PROCESSING only supports 720p at the moment. It'll kick in any second now and we'll get 4k level quality on games built to run on PCs of the Gods.

 

[k4n3]

be funny if the wii-u port looks better in comparison videos

 

[ICPEE]

BF4 720p on XB1 is definitely real.

Oh Boy. This is going to be biblical.

 

[cookie-monster]

I would argue strongly against that. I had a 32 inch 1080p LCD TV up until this year when I upgraded, and even at that size the difference between my PC rendering a game at 1080p vs the PS3/360 at 720 was absolutely clear as day.

yep, scaling is easily visible due to smearing and softness

 

[Atlas157]

It's almost exactly like Sony. Even the 25% higher price point.

But this time it's different.

The PS3 was slightly more powerful, but harder to code for.

The 360 was slightly less powerful (CPU wise), but easier to code for.

This time around the PS4 is both more powerful AND easier to code for.

 

[Globox_82]

this thread goes almost 2 fast

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Was it leaked somewhere that MS thought Sony was launching in 2014?

I can't recall reading that, and all of the conjecture/rumors as way back as 2010 pointed to a 2013 launch from both parties.

I believe so, yeah.

 

[WasMachinator]

BS. Sony became the most arrogant company, and everyone in the company acted like that. Search for Phil Harrison's and Jack Tretton comments about competition for example at the time. Kutaragi was behind PS1 and PS2 too. It's easy to blame one person for everything.

Totally agree on that, everything that was Sony was just cocky.

 

[Drek]

Dedicated system tho. It's not the same as a pc

It isn't a dedicated system. They're stealing GPU and CPU horsepower to run multiple operating systems and Kinect. It's the most resource intensive non-gaming footprint ever put in a console and supposedly includes enough of Windows 8 to run apps near natively. Why would we assume it would have anything close to conventional console efficiency?

This also ignores that 7770's end to have a couple GBs of on-board GDDR5 with massively higher bandwidth than the DDR3 in the XB1. 32MB of ESRAM clearly isn't enough to bridge the gap between GDDR5 and DDR3 for HD games, at least not without working some kind of memory management magic.

 

[Knuf]

Don't know why everyone is making such a big fuss about this, All you have to do is sit further away from your tv, problem solved. You can't see the difference between 1080p and 720p anyways. 1080p is just a marketing ploy like 4k.

Spoiler

Don't

listen to this man.
If you don't have enough space to sit farther, just sell your 60" plasma Panny and buy a 32" lcd Magnavox instead.

 

[Zophar]

.

oh god

it's too perfect

 

[Legendary_Red]

This is why I browse gaf. Comedy Gold.

 

[ElTorro]

For the first 4 years of the generation I played all my PS360 games on a SDTV. I dealt with a complete inability to read writing on my games for 4 years. I think I can deal with 720p.

I can deal with NES graphics, but in 2013(!), in the second generation of "HD"-consoles, I certainly expected 1080p given that even my MacBook can pull that of; especially for a pricetag of $500.

Not that I won't enjoy games with visuals like Ryse, but one just has to compare reality to the expectations that most people here had one year ago to understand the disappointment.

 

[foxbeldin]

I have a 32in. And I can't see any difference.

I have a 4 inches phone, i can see the difference.

 

[BronsonLee]

Let's get real though. All signs before February 20th pointed to Sony possibly going with a weaker platform for less money to help gain back the billions they lost from PS3 as a sort of PS3.5. MS had been raking in dosh for months prompting people to believe MS was gearing up to make a monster box that would crush Sony once and for all. It wouldn't be surprising if MS thought Sony was going to extend this gen as long as possible to make more money and even more so after Kaz told in an interview that Sony basically had no plans to announce a new system. Boom! There goes the Feb 20th Swindle.

Exactly. And when stuff came out in terms of a new one, Sony was all 'we're not going first'.

Then they drop Feb 20. And they come right out with the specs out the asshole

 

[KORNdoggy]

http://youtu.be/BnxhC1-QcbM

This video of BF4 at the current xbone tour even has a guy calling out GAF about the resolution

"Gaf, it's definitely not 1080p"

0.36 second mark...

Whether it's a joke or not, i dunno? You guys have probably seen it already...

 

[TTOOLL]

And this becomes all the more funny...

yeah, beautiful trap

 

[Raistlin]

Pretty sure without Kinect Camera they could have had the funds to drop in the 79xx/67x class gpu pretty easily. Remember that GTX 670s with lower clockspeeds go into gaming laptops. That's right, the mobile version is the same card, just smaller and downclocked.

This wasn't a space issue. This was MS choosing to spend money on Kinect camera and bundling it in, thus the $500 price point. If anything, they could've just used a 3 GB GDDR5 setup for the GPU and 4-8 GB DDR3 for the system. Yes it isn't as flexible as pooled memory but its a helluva lot faster than being held back by ESRAM.

Hindsight is always 20/20, but from the start I believe MS could have had the most powerful console and still been competitive at the higher price point. But by choosing to bundle in Kinect 2.0, I think they've shot themselves in the foot. After how forward looking and powerful Xbox and 360 were, I am disappointed to say the least

no

 

[betterman]

They thought Sony's hardware was going to be weaker.

Microsoft's industrial espionage failed this time.

 

[GeoramA]

Sony Feb conference was the most evil act in corporations history! they surprised the sh*t out of Microsoft lol

Yep. The PS Meeting completely changed the industry.

 

[Curufinwe]

Where does trolling twitter fit in with the tenets of journalism?

Trolling based on false information on twitter and podcasts never cost Gies his job or career.

Truth based trolling is a lot more forgivable.

 

[Zalman]

But this time it's different.

The PS3 was slightly more powerful, but harder to code for.

The 360 was slightly less powerful (CPU wise), but easier to code for.

This time around the PS4 is both more powerful AND easier to code for.

Return of the King confirmed

 

[famousmortimer]

Link me, I haven't actually. I fully admit im Pro-Sony.

www.doddscientifics.com



As someone who makes his images in MS paint in 30 seconds I'm happy with how this one came out. Pixelate tool!

 

[Derpcrawler]

At first I didn't get it, then I realized that I was looking at image in quote. Being downsized. Lol.

 

[NomarTyme]

Good god. XboneD

 

[Anhkow]

 

[SeanR1221]

Let's get real though. All signs before February 20th pointed to Sony possibly going with a weaker platform for less money to help gain back the billions they lost from PS3 as a sort of PS3.5. MS had been raking in dosh for months prompting people to believe MS was gearing up to make a monster box that would crush Sony once and for all. It wouldn't be surprising if MS thought Sony was going to extend this gen as long as possible to make more money and even more so after Kaz told in an interview that Sony basically had no plans to announce a new system. Boom! There goes the Feb 20th Swindle.

I don't follow gaming news too closely (well now I am with resolution-gate). So what's the story? The February announcement was completely by surprise? No hints of it coming until the invites went out?

 

[legacyzero]

http://youtu.be/BnxhC1-QcbM

This video of BF4 at the current xbone tour even has a guy calling out GAF about the resolution

"Gaf, it's definitely not 1080p"

Whether it's a joke or not, i dunno? You guys have probably seen it already...

OH SHIT

 

[ElTorro]

.

Who would have thought that this actually wasn't a PR joke.

 

[Averon]

If MS really thought the PS4 was a 2014 release, then the February 20th PS4 event must've caught them completely off guard. Sony was probably at least 1 year ahead of anything MS was imagining.

 

[Into]

And this becomes all the more funny...

Yep

Kaz Hirai hints the PS4 will release after Xbox 720

Kaz got em, and everyone bought it. He knew what he was doing

 

[Finalizer]

Past gen we had PC+X360+PS3 to build up large enough userbase to make up the raised dev costs and at least some pubs and devs survived while many went belly up. Now imagine the same situation, but with higher dev costs and smaller combined userbase.

Aside from the whole Henny Penny notion of the industry going kaput because of console manufacturers fucking up (Smaller combined userbase, is that more of the "Wii U isn't failing, the industry is shrinking!" crap?), plenty of devs have already made the exciting revelation of "If games are getting too expensive to make, stop making such expensive games!" Just take a glance at the PC/indie space, seriously. The industry will live on in some way or another as long as there's folks who want vidya.