Good Job Bob
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So the families that went to America are the "real Jews" while the ones that went to Israel are Europeans pretending to be Jewish?
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Mine came in the early 20s from Russia, just before the Nazis came to power. My grandparents were all born in Brooklyn, although my grandmother was Mexican. Grandfather told me countless stories about the discrimination he faced here, such as being denied jobs, access to certain clubs, hotels, areas, getting beat up, harassed, etc. America even used to turn Jewish refugees around and deport them back to Europe before and during the Holocaust. Israel, on the other hand, would never do that.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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We never got gassed en masse or had to worry about large scale progroms. We never had to flee and live in a state whose goal it is (to try and claim to) be a state for Jews and homogeneous with no others. Was America perfect? No, but it was (and still is) the best damn place to be a Jew and not be shut in with only one community (as a goal). That strain of intense paranoia never occurred in the US.
Just hope you're not an Israeli Arab...or an aid ship. lol
They're the ones who decided to hide in a fortress like state away from any besides other Israeli Jews.
I agree with you here. However, Israel does need to exist because it's really the only thing we have to fall back on if we need to flee another break-out of antisemitic disease.
Good Job Bob
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so jewish gaf, tell me your opinions about Israel.
I had a lot of jewish friends growing up, and still do, but I never really talk to them about Israel.
It certainly might make things in the middle east easier if israel wasn't there. Or maybe things would be worse and they would find something else to fight about.
I had a lot of jewish friends growing up, and still do, but I never really talk to them about Israel.
It certainly might make things in the middle east easier if israel wasn't there. Or maybe things would be worse and they would find something else to fight about.
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BigJonsson
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Para bailar La Bomba
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Nice stealth troll, but this thread will be a nicer place if politics didn't dominate the agenda.
If the issue really bugs you, why don't you start a separate thread and get all of GAF's opinion.
Shake Appeal
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My girlfriend is Jewish, I am not. Just attended my first seder(s) with her, her parents, and their friends.
Wasn't meant to be a stealth troll.
As much as I don't want this to turn into a political thread, I will give my opinion anyway. I believe that Israel has every right to exist as a Jewish state. However, I don't agree with displacing and exiling non-Jewish populations and the expansionist policies of Israel. I think Israel's existence is imperative for the long-term survival of the Jewish people, because not only does it afford us the right to self-determination as a historically oppressed ethnic minority, but it provides a safe haven in case there are widespread outbreaks of antisemitism in the countries we inhabit today.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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I'd just go to Canada if it ever got that bad, which I don't ever see happening. That said I'd rather die in America than flee (and not by going quietly into the night). Like I said Israel is just another country. Besides they'd treat my wife (as a Catholic) like crap and tell my daughter (since her mom isn't Jewish) that she's not a Jew. No thanks I have no desire for that closed off homogeneous lifestyle.
Just a friendly stop by.Well what if the same thing happens in Canada? Then what? What if they put restrictions on Jewish immigrations like America and British mandated Palestine did back in the 30's and 40's? I don't mean to say that America isn't (currently, at least) a great place to be a Jew, and if you choose to die in America no matter what, that's your choice. However, it's still very important option to have a place you can run to that will welcome you with open arms if things get really bad again. I'd also vehemently disagree with the notion that antisemitism is dead (personal experience has proven quite the opposite) and won't ever surface in any meaningful way again. A lot can change in the course of our lifetimes, and just because there's nobody throwing us in ovens anymore or forcing us to live in ghettos doesn't mean there aren't a lot of people that still fucking hate our guts.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Come on it's Canada!
Jews in America have a protection that Jews in Germany never had: military grade arms.
I won't give up my country and I won't run. There has been so much good this country has given me and my family. It's not a Russia or a Poland. It's something worth fighting for. It's who am: an American
Don't think that I think it's dead for a second. It's something I'm often concerned about.
It's why I take precautions.
Not really seeing your point here. Even if it's peaceful now, things can always change.
Again, this can change. All it takes is a status quo with strong antisemitic beliefs and pretty much any law can be passed, including rescinding our rights to bear arms.
It seems like we're mostly on the same page here. The only difference is that I would not hesitate to leave America if it ever got to the point where I feared for my life or my rights.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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That's just a playful Canada is perfect joke. Also to the point of one country is no different than the other.
If that law happens Anti-Semitism will be the least of everyone's problems.
If it gets that bad in America, it's going to be just that bad or worse everywhere else. I don't want to spend my last days stateless or running to a siege state. Keep in mind my wife is not Jewish and I'm sure some jackass (who would later need dental work) would try and say therefore my daughter isn't too.
By "our" right to bear arms, I meant Jews rights to bear arms. Think Nuremberg Laws and you won't be far off.
What makes you say that?
Yeah, that would be tricky. This is why I believe Israel needs to show tolerance towards all ethnic groups and religions, while still remaining a Jewish state overall.
What's an AEPI?
It is a Jewish fraternity, and the only one around anymore on a national level, iirc.
notworksafe
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Hello fellow Jews!
Kinda figured this would be a thread to bitch about our mothers...but it seems we're already on to the heavy stuff.
Kinda figured this would be a thread to bitch about our mothers...but it seems we're already on to the heavy stuff.
Politics are nigh unavoidable these days. Whenever someone finds out that I'm a Jew, they start piling on with stupid questions like "why are you oppressing the Palestinian people?!".
MessieurCouchon
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Shalom everyone!
Portuguese Jewish here.
Portuguese Jewish here.
I'm partially Sephardic too. Hail!
notworksafe
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Wow. If someone said that to me I'd blow up on them. Might as well ask why we killed Jesus.
Joel Was Right
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Hai guys,
I told him to fuck off, and if he ever bothered me again I would rip his throat out.
You remind me of my uncle. A brilliant, kind, highly accomplished man, but kind of crazy and paranoid. He believes every Jew should have a gun because the world will inevitably turn on us. I found out when I was ~16 that he has a secret room full of guns and shit.
Anyway, I grew up with a lot of jewish friends, and was always a little jealous. Always seemed cool to me. One of my friends would get picked up in a short yellow school bus to go to torah school or whatever, and we would tease him a bit.
The saders i experienced at my friends place were always fun. I won the afikomen and got drunk on wine for the first time!
The saders i experienced at my friends place were always fun. I won the afikomen and got drunk on wine for the first time!
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Eh, I look at it as a backup, but not something ever likely to happen, besides it's not like they don't have other enjoyable and normal uses.
As I outlined above, we have many reasons to be cautious. Antisemitism is not dead.
Case in point: http://thezog.wordpress.com/
It terrifies me that there are people out there who still think this way. Good fucking god, man.
It terrifies me that there are people out there who still think this way. Good fucking god, man.
notworksafe
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This comment from the site had me cracking up. I love the term "crypto-Jews". You can't let nuts like this get to you.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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I second. All in favor?
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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That's fine...since I got to say my piece anyway. lol
Agreed, we should be talking about circumcision.
But then we'd be talking about the Tip. And GAF would collapse into a singularity.
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