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[Raylan Targaryen]

Seems like he was fine with it until the party went after him personally.

I mean, he opens up by saying he's a republican

That's their whole motto. Nothing matters until it affects them

 

[VariantX]

Could Trump still be inside job to bring down the GOP? I know his actions he has done recently shoots this down, but its like he ripped the band aide off and exposed the GOP for what they truly are.

Exposed to who? They've mostly been that way from the jump. This is only revelatory to people in the party trying to pretend otherwise. Trump is leaving them with zero reasonable doubt to hide behind so they can explain it away.

 

[LiK]

Welcome to independence.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

I watch Morning Joe every day! I enjoy Joe and Mika. Joe has great hair too.

Plus they know that Trump watches and they get to tweak his nose.

 

[KernelPanic]

Well, at least the Trump supporters will be right this time when they call him a liberal.

Anyone who's against them is a liberal. There's no middle ground anymore. Polarization has reached its final form.

It's just as bad as Hayden Christensen in that awful scene.

 

[Haunted]

I'm torn between being cynical (too late) and being hopeful (better late than never).

 

[Wilsongt]

So he is an "independent" which is basically a Republican who is too embarrassed to admit it.

 

[Bakercat]

According to my mom who used to love him and his show, he started to change when he started screwing Mika and having a relationship with her.

Spoiler

dat pussy is too good bruh.

 

[jay]

Guy was and is an asshole, but I guess this is good television drama.

I'm torn between being cynical (too late) and being hopeful (better late than never).

Look deep within. You know hope is a mistake.

 

[Realyst]

I met Joe once (and Mika too). Talked to him for a good while, he's an ok dude. He's definitely a moderate from the Florida panhandle, but he doesn't really ascribe to the crazy "fuck you, got mine" mentality that the current congressional GOP mofos are all about now.

 

[TheCochese]

Perfect is the enemy of good enough.

This doesn't have to be perfect.

 

[Future]

If you are republican and value telling the truth in any way, I don't see how you can't come to this conclusion. I have never seen so much rampant, blatant, don't give a fuck lying in my life

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Seems like he was fine with it until the party went after him personally.

.

 

[teh_pwn]

Good for Joe. He's always been more reasonable. Reminds me of old school Republicans.

Well that's nice. I'm nearly 35 and along with my husband who is 40 are libertarians. But I guess in your eyes we're not grown up because we don't believe the same things. K.

Anyway, I don't think he'll go back. Probably will still continue to vote the line I'm betting though.

There is a huge bias against Libertarians on gaf don't worry about it.

 

[andythinkpad]

So will McCain grow some backbone before he die or he is too far gone?

 

[RPGCrazied]

So will McCain grow some backbone before he die or he is too far gone?

I think he will not. Trump basically said I don't like you because you got captured. How you support someone after that is mind blowing.

 

[btrboyev]

I met Joe once (and Mika too). Talked to him for a good while, he's an ok dude. He's definitely a moderate from the Florida panhandle, but he doesn't really ascribe to the crazy "fuck you, got mine" mentality that the current congressional GOP mofos are all about now.

Well he is an anti-vaxer and defended an anti-abortion dr. Murderer.

 

[Skiptastic]

Good for him.

 

[tuxfool]

So will McCain grow some backbone before he die or he is too far gone?

McCain is a senile fool. As such, he seems ideal for the republican party.

 

[Siegcram]

So will McCain grow some backbone before he die or he is too far gone?

He adressed Comey as president. Twice.

I think that answers that question.

 

[BasicMath]

Glad he moved from that mess. He seems rather reasonable on some points over the current Republican party.

Do you really not know or are you basically just making a statement?

Bonus question, What do you think Republicans think the liberal core values are? Communism and free hand outs lol

I guess its hard to say these days, theres like 20 factions of republican and they all contradict each other, i thought for sure Trump would lose and theyd be shattered forever, turns out they can fall in line for a cause better than we can.

Good friend of mine: "Degeneracy, reckless spending, "America Last", mass handouts, isolationism and weakness.".

Yeah. I don't even know what the first is referring to.

We really need someone to unite this country after what will be at least 12-16 years of divisiveness after Trump/Pence is gone.

 

[Hari Seldon]

I can't anything coming out of his mouth seriously with that hair cut.

 

[OceanBlue]

I don't expect much from him individually but it'd be nice if this contributes to making more moderate Republicans more apathetic about politics. They'll never vote for a liberal but if they are unsatisfied with the current Republican party maybe they won't vote lol.

 

[Kyzer]

Both sides are the same

Who said that?

 

[espher]

Joe has always kind of struck me as a "country before party" Republican.

He's still a believer - just not in this manifestation of it.

He has very visibly been on the fence about this admin since before Trump was elected, even if (for a time before that) he was waving the banner. Definitely disillusioned.

 

[Adam_Vania]

hard to respect a man who stood by so much stupidity before finally coming to some sort of revelation that the republicans are repugnant

yes this is entirely a marketing move

 

[cackhyena]

I can't anything coming out of his mouth seriously with that hair cut.

I think the same thing every time I see his dumb face anywhere.

 

[kaching]

I don't understand why any private citizen in this country without political aspirations feels any particular need to identify with a party, esp. when there's only two viable parties to identify with, which can't possibly represent the full spectrum of political ideology accurately. Even worse is to see someone like Joe agonizing/struggling with the decision.

 

[Veritigo_X]

So he's gonna become a good old capital I Independent that just votes R every time anyway. With allies like these...

 

[Kyzer]

I don't understand why any private citizen in this country without political aspirations feels any particular need to identify with a party, esp. when there's only two viable parties to identify with, which can't possibly represent the full spectrum of political ideology accurately. Even worse is to see someone like Joe agonizing/struggling with the decision.

Yep, the platforms arent even concrete theyre constantly morphing. Theres no point in pledging allegiance to a party other than to participate in their primaries. People just like to choose a side to go to war with the other. And humans like to try and categorize things neatly, so in the minds of most americans youre either a racist or not, or a socialist or not, and its as simple as that.

 

[Clefargle]

If a guy enters AA you don't tell him to go fuck himself and leave because he was an alcoholic for 30 years, you let him sit down.

He is now an independent, which is about as AA as quitting cold turkey without a sponsor.

 

[OG Shaka Zulu]

I don't even understand what an independent is. Joe is still a buffoon.

 

[Skellig Gra]

That's pretty much all independents.

No it isn't. The Democrat Party is a complete joke. They just aren't evil like the Reublicans. Not my fault it's a 2 party system where both parties are shit.

 

[Kyzer]

Theres nothing wrong with being an independent or moderate, and as dumb as joe is him coming out and publicly leaving the GOP is a good thing for progress. This be liberal or kys concept is dumb, purity tests will further fragment an already crumbling party and if we cant win because of moderates and independents we have much bigger problems on our hands than whatever blame we can place at the feet of others

 

[Shauni]

Well he is an anti-vaxer and defended an anti-abortion dr. Murderer.

And while he was in Congress he supported cutting AIDS funding. He's record of beliefs are pretty poor despite this gesture.

 

[Fuchsdh]

The Republican Party hasn't changed though. Trump just meant some of these people can't ignore it anymore.

Yeah, it has.

The Party absolutely has moved farther right in the past decade.

 

[Shauni]

Theres nothing wrong with being an independent or moderate, and as dumb as joe is him coming out and publicly leaving the GOP is a good thing for progress. This be liberal or kys concept is dumb, purity tests will further fragment an already crumbling party and if we cant win because of moderates and independents we have much bigger problems on our hands than whatever blame we can place at the feet of others

It only matters if they actually stop voting for the GOP. Being an 'independent' as just a label is worthless.

 

[Kyzer]

It only matters if they actually stop voting for the GOP. Being an 'independent' as just a label is worthless.

I would argue that a major tv show host no longer stanning for a party no holds barred matters, at the very least?

 

[Skellig Gra]

It only matters if they actually stop voting for the GOP. Being an 'independent' as just a label is worthless.

Not worthless, he was probably financially supporting the GOP as a member. Every little bit helps.

 

[Brinbe]

That's all Mika lol

You sleep with someone/have a serious relationship with them and that def has an effect on things, especially when they (GOP/Trump) start attacking someone you love.

 

[Hamster Plugin]

Just watched the Late Show on Youtube, here's the Morning Joe parts:

part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLVm1vfXRw8
part 2 (this is where he announces leaving): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeygAJz6zzg
Joe's band performs at the end: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQGwES5ZGiU

 

[Shauni]

I would argue that a major tv show host no longer stanning for a party no holds barred matters, at the very least?

If he's still voting for the party, it's just a hallow gesture.

Not worthless, he was probably financially supporting the GOP as a member. Every little bit helps.

Does he say he's going to stop donating to the party, or that he was even beforehand?

 

[BrutishMrFish]

He could have left when the party still backed Trump after the pussy tapes, or when they backed Trump getting the nomination, or literally any point before Trump started personally insulting him.

If Trump decided to start shitting on Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio again, I wouldn't give them credit for suddenly deciding to leave, either.

 

[BigDug13]

Exposed to who? They've mostly been that way from the jump. This is only revelatory to people in the party trying to pretend otherwise. Trump is leaving them with zero reasonable doubt to hide behind so they can explain it away.

This administration and this congress seems to be taking everything they've complained about for the past 8 years and are doing the exact same dialed up to 11.

Republicans complain about how much Obama trips cost taxpayers. Trump costs 10x as much.

Republicans complain about how Democrats rammed their healthcare bill through to get passed even though they totally got Republican input to the bill through committees. Republicans then try to ram through bill after bill much faster while allowing zero Democrat input to the bills.

Republicans complain about how soft Obama is towards Russia. Trump has yet to say a single negative thing about Putin and even welcomes deep cyber security ties with the country that is known to have hacked us numerous times.

I'm sure there's plenty more of blatant hypocracy between what Republicans complained about under Obama and what they are now doing.

 

[mnannola]

Remember when Jason Chaffetz said he wouldn't be able to look his daughter in the eye if he supported Trump?

Remember when Trump decided to shit on Ted Cruz's wife and Cruz said vote your conscience?

Remember when countless republicans came out against the President in one form or another over the past year?

They all go crawling back. Lets see how long this sticks.

 

[entremet]

So he's gonna become a good old capital I Independent that just votes R every time anyway. With allies like these...

He never said he was a liberal ally, though. Did he? He's just leaving the Republican party.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Wow so brave, thanks for telling us your story Joe…😐

 

[Veritigo_X]

He never said he was a liberal ally, though. Did he? He's just leaving the Republican party.

He's been framing himself as part of the "Trump opposition," this announcement seems to be a part of that. It's hard to take that seriously if he continues to vote for the party that supports Trump.

 

[NYCrooner]

More Republicans need to come to this conclusion instead of holding on this title of Republican because it's how they identify their conservative views. I'm liberal as fuck but not registered as a Democrat nor do I label myself as one. I'm a candidate voter. Sure I almost exclusively vote Democrat but I've voted Republican (Mayor Bloomberg) for local gov.

 

[Kyzer]

More Republicans need to come to this conclusion instead of holding on this title of Republican because it's how they identify their conservative views. I'm liberal as fuck but not registered as a Democrat nor do I label myself as one. I'm a candidate voter. Sure I almost exclusively vote Democrat but I've voted Republican (Mayor Bloomberg) for local gov.

Bloomberg is like a unicorn