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[Mammoth Jones]

Systematic issues my ass, it's a systematic issue that he volunteered to go to another country to kill other people and some how you guys are thankful for it? Why cause Asian civilians don't mean shit? You can put your fork down and fight whatever battle you one but don't come and tell us what to feel or react. He isn't even dead and who is gloating? Worst i seen is fuck him, so take your strawman somewhere else.

Like I said, dude is old and dying. Not gonna re-argue the entire Vietnam war because a vet is dying. Nor am I going to hold him accountable for that. Wasn't his decision to start that quagmire.

Sorry if that sentiment upsets you but I stand by it.

"Thank you for your (abstract, unspecified) service which also included atrocities" isn't that same as "thank you for this specific act which saved my life"

Oh, you mean it's nuance? Gotcha! So yea, I thank the old guy for his service. Do I thank him for starting the Vietnam war which was entirely avoidable? No.

 

[Princess Carl]

-Wikipedia

I don't agree with his politics, but I respect the sacrifice he made during his service.

I dont, all this shows is massive cognitive dissonance.

 

[UnObtainium17]

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news...y-got-married-then-everything-changed-6433344

here is confirmation of it.

I wish Mccain the best. I hope he pulls through this... that said. I can totally see where the folks who don't feel sorry for him is coming from. Because John didn't have any when he did what he did to AZ people and with Trumpcare.

Damn.. her husband is dying and his response was for them to move out of state? Wow. These politicians can be cold hearted as fuck. Can't imagine me being a state senator and that'll be my response to my constituents.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

I wish Mccain the best. I hope he pulls through this... that said. I can totally see where the folks who don't feel sorry for him is coming from. Because John didn't have any when he did what he did to AZ people and with Trumpcare.

Exactly.

 

[E-Cat]

That's only because the individual mandate got neutered and republicans convinced the Supreme Court to let states opt out of Medicaid expansion. ACA was designed to give universal coverage and a full version of it would.

Even with Medicaid expansion in every state, there would still be those fall-betweens who make too much to be eligible for Medicaid subsidies but are too poor to afford decent coverage. A lot of people would (and are opting to) incur the penalty rather than get a bare bones insurance policy.

 

[ElFly]

-Wikipedia

I don't agree with his politics, but I respect the sacrifice he made during his service.

again, completely negated by his murdering of civilians

a murderer like him cannot be considered a hero for what he did in the denoument of his actions

 

[TomWaitsForNoMan]

Oh, you mean it's nuance? Gotcha! So yea, I thank the old guy for his service. Do I thank him for starting the Vietnam war which was entirely avoidable? No.

His service consisted of dropping napalm on civilians. Thank him for that if you like, his victims won't. I didn't blame him for starting the war, I do blame him for volunteering to go and for the bombs he dropped

 

[Mammoth Jones]

His service consisted of dropping napalm on civilians. Thank him for that if you like, his victims won't

Like I said. I blame the politicians. Not the vets.

 

[Dirtyshubb]

Like I said. I blame the politicians. Not the vets.

"I was just following orders"
Where have I heard that before?

 

[TomWaitsForNoMan]

Like I said. I blame the politicians. Not the vets.

I'm glad you're here to defend the honour of John "I hate the gooks" McCain

 

[Emwitus]

Nah but a lack of affordable healthcare might.

don't worry, if a person is poor and can't afford eye surgery they can just go blind too but like actually for real blind

what the hell?

Him having brain cancer has nothing to do with his decisions. This a politically charged atmosphere and several different people have different opinions on how to handle the american healthcare system. If one of them gets into some accident or illness such as McCain, going out and saying good riddance or mocking him for his political decision does not make you a decent human being. Further still, coming into a thread with a header "john McCain has brain cancer", and stating that you are empathetic to his illness and justifying it by saying you are indifferent does not make you a decent or better human being than him either. An eye for an eye is why we are in this mess i.e Trump and of course we can't be oblivious about the fact that he is obviously a racist and sexist individual.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

"I was just following orders"
Where have I heard that before?

In a book about Godwin's law?

I'm glad you're here to defend the honour of John "I hate the gooks" McCain

It's not that. I just have a hard time shitting on a person specifically because they served in the military. Even during Vietnam. The war was a terrible mistake but like I keep saying I don't blame the soldiers there for that. I blame the shitty politicians that put them there unnecessarily.

Godwin's Law is about ridiculous comparisons, not appropriate ones

Godwins law is about pulling Nazi's out ones ass to win an argument. But let's not spend 3 pages debating that.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Like I said. I blame the politicians. Not the vets.

He still defends going to Vietnam

Vietnam not wrong, but how it was fought and led was. (Sep 2002)
Vietnam was a worthy cause despite losing. (Nov 1999)

http://www.ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm

 

[Rmagnus]

Like I said. I blame the politicians. Not the vets.

Of course not, MERICA am I right. They can do no wrong even if it means million of poor people have to do with out health care but he was once a vet we need to respect him. Bullfucking shit. Than again he was only killing non Americans under the orders of politicians not like he volunteered or something. He is a fucking hero!

 

[ElFly]

My anger is directed at the shitty politicians for Vietnam. Not the soldiers who didn't have the internet back them to keep them informed as we can be. Sorry if that's not sufficient to you.

I'm supposed to shit on every soldier that went to Iraq and Afghanistan as well?

on the ones that murder civilians, yes

please do shit on them

re: I wonder how muhammed ali refused to go to war back then without the internet. but of course, you don't get to be a senator and refuse healthcare if you disobey orders

 

[TomWaitsForNoMan]

In a book about Godwin's law?

Godwin's Law is about ridiculous comparisons, not appropriate ones

 

[Imm0rt4l]

*goes on facebook

"There are tens of thousands of vulnerable people in this nation walking around with diagnosed and undiagnosed with cancer. Those people can't get adequate treatment partially because John McCain wants paltry ass Obamacare to be even paltrier. Please save your well wishes for those suffering folks because neither McCain or the dems figured out a way to adequately cover them. Everyone in this nation deserves McCain's health care. John McCain doesn't want everyone in this nation to have his health care."

*hits like

 

[Mammoth Jones]

on the ones that murder civilians, yes

please do shit on them

re: I wonder how muhammed ali refused to go to war back then without the internet. but of course, you don't get to be a senator and refuse healthcare if you disobey orders

No, all of them. That was my question. Cause now you're getting into nuance and according to some here we can't have that...

*goes on facebook

"There are tens of thousands of vulnerable people in this nation walking around with diagnosed and undiagnosed with cancer. Those people can't get adequate treatment partially because John McCain wants paltry ass Obamacare to be even paltrier. Please save your well wishes for those suffering folks because neither McCain or the dems figured out a way to adequately cover them. Everyone in this nation deserves McCain's health care. John McCain doesn't want everyone in this nation to have his health care."

*hits like

Now this I 100% agree with.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Him having brain cancer has nothing to do with his decisions. This a politically charged atmosphere and several different people have different opinions on how to handle the american healthcare system. If one of them gets into some accident or illness such as McCain, going out an saying good riddance or mocking him for his political decision does not make you a decent human being.

Yes and his opinion is to oppose even a moderate approach like ACA.

Politics don't cease to exist because someone gets ill...

Here' the incredible thing I don't want to talk his healthcare.... I want him to get all the treatment possible because that's what being for healthcare means

Can you say he'd say the same?

What he doesn't get is my compassion.

 

[Hierophant]

Him having brain cancer has nothing to do with his decisions. This a politically charged atmosphere and several different people have different opinions on how to handle the american healthcare system. If one of them gets into some accident or illness such as McCain, going out an saying good riddance or mocking him for his political decision does not make you a decent human being.

if the other opinion (again with this? it actually affects the lives of millions) is literally going to kill me or make me blind then yes i think i would be decent human being for laughing at the irony of the situation

 

[Psychoward]

Him having brain cancer has nothing to do with his decisions. This a politically charged atmosphere and several different people have different opinions on how to handle the american healthcare system. If one of them gets into some accident or illness such as McCain, going out and saying good riddance or mocking him for his political decision does not make you a decent human being. Further still, coming into a thread with a header "john McCain has brain cancer", and stating that you are empathetic to his illness justifying it by saying you are indifferent does not make you a decent or better human being than him. An eye for an eye is why we are in this mess i.e Trump and of course we can't be oblivious about the fact that he is obviously a racist and sexist individual.

Yeah his opinion is to dismantle it.

 

[Dirtyshubb]

In a book about Godwin's law?

You don't get to excuse yourself from killing innocent people in horrific ways by saying you were just following orders.

I know this is where people say "war is complicated" but if you can justify killing innocent people in wars that are extremely one sided in terms of killing innocents in other countries then that's where we differ.

 

[ElFly]

No, all of them. That was my question. Cause now you're getting into nuance and according to some here we can't have that...

I am sorry that you ask stupid questions?

we are not discussing ALL THE SOLDIERS EVER

we are discussing john mccain, a piece of shit trash being

because you are shamefully 'thanking him for his service'

why the fuck you are thanking him for murdering civilians

answer that exact question

no squirreling out cowardly

 

[George Washington]

He's had his moments . Overall, I wish him well.

 

[Nasbin]

You gave me a list of mostly statements and speeches...

I provided a vote record.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/john-mccains-spotty-record-on-torture/238842/

This just cites the same Feinstein amendment people have always used to try and discredit McCain as "flip flopping" on torture when his stated reason for opposition is entirely reasonable. You want a voting record? The. Guy. Introduced. The. Detainee. Treatment. Act.

It's one thing to try and argue that McCain could have done more, it's another to try and paint a picture that makes McCain look like a hypocritical pro-torture warmonger so you can feel better about shitting on a guy with brain cancer.

 

[excelsiorlef]

That John McCain gets seen as one of the good Republicans by so many just shows how horrifyingly good the GOP PR machine can be.


It also shows just how horrific the GOP actually is.

 

[paperboywriter]

What the hell is wrong with you people, guy has brain cancer and you argue about the Vietnam war? Do you actually think before you post?

The fuck

 

[Krappadizzle]

That John McCain gets seen as one of the good Republicans by so many just shows how horrifyingly good the GOP PR machine can be.


It also shows just how horrific the GOP actually is.

Yeah, Obama must be a loon huh?

 

[Psychoward]

What the hell is wrong with you people, guy has brain cancer and you argue about the Vietnam war? Do you actually think before you post?

The fuck

yeah let's just forgive a man for all of his sins because he got brain cancer despite wanting to deny treatment to his own citizens

 

[excelsiorlef]

This just cites the same Feinstein amendment people have always used to try and discredit McCain as "flip flopping" on torture when his stated reason for opposition is entirely reasonable. You want a voting record? The. Guy. Introduced. The. Detainee. Treatment. Act.

It's one thing to try and argue that McCain could have done more, it's another to try and paint a picture that makes McCain look like a hypocritical pro-torture warmonger so you can feel better about shitting on a guy with brain cancer.

I'd have "shit on him" before he got sick... why would that change now on this forum where he or his family will never hear me

The waterboarding thing was like reason #652 I linked to... my focus predominantly has in fact been about his health care record... But sure I'm just trying to make myself feel better.

 

[Rmagnus]

Yeah, Obama must be a loon huh?

Lol yeah, talk about missing all context of things.

 

[Cipherr]

the fact it takes a personal anecdote like this to get people to reconsider their stance is pretty crappy tbh when removing healthcare would create millions of these personal anecdotes

Exactly my feeling. NOW people get it. Its like... cmon, removing healthcare from millions creates tons of these stories.

 

[Psychoward]

Yeah, Obama must be a loon huh?

A lot of people have tried using this as a gotcha in this thread, as if expecting a high ranking Democrat would criticize a Republican who just got brain cancer no matter how disgusting the person was.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Yeah, Obama must be a loon huh?

What?

 

[MUnited83]

Well...your freedom could be a viewed as a direct result of American Military involvement in a couple of incursions that took place on your side of the pond.

What a hilariously ignorant thing to say lmao.
During WW2( and after ) my country was under a brutal dictatorship.
And you know what country backed and supported that dictatorship? The fucking USA. America's never gave a rat's ass about freeing anyone.

 

[googleplex]

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news...y-got-married-then-everything-changed-6433344

here is confirmation of it.

I'll just repeat what I posted earlier. Fuck John McCann

 

[Rmagnus]

Exactly my feeling. NOW people get it. Its like... cmon, removing healthcare from millions created tons of these stories.

As long as they are not personally affected most people will not be able to see it. That's why it's so scary to see Muslims painted to appear non human, same sad story with black people. Kids or teenagers are called young man and how big and scary they are. Sad world we live in and honestly no idea when it will ever get better.

 

[slit]

Yeah, Obama must be a loon huh?

Why does this keep getting brought up? Obama can feel however he wants about McCain. Obama can think he is Jesus Christ for all I care. Obama's feelings don't reflect everybody on the left's feelings.

 

[TomWaitsForNoMan]

What a hilariously ignorant thing to say lmao.
During WW2( and after ) my country was under a brutal dictatorship.
And you know what country backed and supported that dictatorship? The fucking USA. America's never gave a rat's ass about freeing anyone.

Spain, Portugal, Greece, the USA loved dictatorships in Europe if it benefitted them. And of course they did similar or worse in the rest of the world too

 

[rjinaz]

What the hell is wrong with you people, guy has brain cancer and you argue about the Vietnam war? Do you actually think before you post?

The fuck

Here, this is what John McCain means to me. He is a man that continuously votes for Republican policies. He is a man that, if he is able, will vote to take away my healthcare.

John McCain is not somebody I know personally. He is just a man, that is famous sure and a politician, but he is nonetheless just a man, the same kind of man that dies every day from cancer, except he of course gets free healthcare so while he is dying which is horrible, he doesn't also have to worry about the financial burden he is placing on his family. Yes we know about McCain because it's news, but that doesn't mean it means more to me personally than anybody else. I don't wish suffering on anybody period. But I also can't feel particularly sad about this, especially enough to not care what he wants to do to me and my own.

I do wish him the best as a fellow human being but I'll say the same thing to anybody that is ill right at this moment.

 

[psychowave]

It's not that. I just have a hard time shitting on a person specifically because they served in the military. Even during Vietnam. The war was a terrible mistake but like I keep saying I don't blame the soldiers there for that. I blame the shitty politicians that put them there unnecessarily.

I'm seeing this attitude a lot here and like, fair enough, but not blaming him or any other soldier for the war doesn't mean you have to praise him/them for it instead.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Why does this keep getting brought up? Obama can feel however he wants about McCain. Obama can think he is Jesus Christ for all I care. Obama's feelings don't reflect everybody on the left's feelings.

Seems like invoking MLK like some fucking Pokemon card has evolved into Obama as some sort of Pokemon card

 

[Dirtyshubb]

As long as they are not personally affected most people will not be able to see it. That's why it's so scary to see Muslims painted to appear non human, same sad story with black people. Kids or teenagers are called young man and how big and scary they are. Sad world we live in and honestly no idea when it will ever get better.

And yet we have mainstream media and Republicans calling Donald Trump Jr a kid even though he is almost a middle aged man and in charge of businesses and has a role with his father the president.

 

[Princess Carl]

What the hell is wrong with you people, guy has brain cancer and you argue about the Vietnam war? Do you actually think before you post?

The fuck

Did you? Youre so quick to want to be holier than thou that you cant see the reality of the situation.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

I am sorry that you ask stupid questions?

we are not discussing ALL THE SOLDIERS EVER

we are discussing john mccain, a piece of shit trash being

because you are shamefully 'thanking him for his service'

why the fuck you are thanking him for murdering civilians

answer that exact question

no squirreling out cowardly

Because I don't consider soldiers murderers when they went to a shitty war started by shitty politicians. I don't hold the soldier to be evil or wrong for going to Vietnam.

Nor would I spit on soldiers back from Iraq even though they shouldn't be there in the first place. I thank them for being willing to fight for us despite being sent across the world for bullshit that was absolutely the wrong fight.

 

[Nafai1123]

I like feeling sympathy for people suffering from brain cancer who didn't fight to prevent and dismantle affordable healthcare for millions of Americans. Americans die everyday from cancer that could've been prevented if they had affordable access to healthcare. Feel sympathy for them.

 

[Rmagnus]

Because I don't consider soldiers murderers when they went to a shitty war started by shitty politicians. I don't hold the soldier to be evil or wrong for going to Vietnam.

Nor would I spit on soldiers back from Iraq even though they shouldn't be there in the first place. I thank them for being willing to fight for us despite being sent across the world for bullshit that was absolutely the wrong fight.

Of course you don't cause they aren't killing Americans. The lack of empathy for others from another country is staggering.

 

[MUnited83]

Like I said. I blame the politicians. Not the vets.

Funny how " I was just following orders" only seems to work with American soldiers and no one else.

 

[Sianos]

One death is a tragedy, twenty-three million deaths is a statistic.

My sincere wish is for him to recover and engage in that concept Christians call "repentance", by fighting against the Republicans condemning twenty-three million to the same fate he narrowly avoided.

My expectation is that if he recovers, without a single shred of self-awareness and a single ounce of sympathy he will not do so.

 

[The Kree]

Seems like invoking MLK like some fucking Pokemon card has evolved into Obama as some sort of Pokemon card

That's exactly what it is.