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[Brofist]

Okay, if the DS sells only 22,000 units or less in a given week in September, I leave. If not, you leave.

i'd be just as happy if you being wrong meant you had to change that annoying ass avatar

 

[Speevy]

Okay, I leave, and change my avatar. (not that it would matter much anyway)

 

[Speevy]

Is that better?

 

[mashoutposse]

Okay, if the DS sells only 22,000 units or less in a given week in September, I leave. If not, you leave.

:lol

Whateva, man. Put me down for that if it makes you feel better

EDIT: And if it happens any time before then, you lose. Agree?

 

[sonycowboy]

The DS was a terrible idea Iwata. I can't beleive you went through with it. A year from now the DS will be selling the same amount as GameCube.

Boy, we've really gone full cycle now. Now the DS is dead :lol

Seriously,

Look at the games coming for the DS. It's got a crapload. And they've got Pokemon, Mario Kart, Castlevania, and some Square games. They're not going to fall into obscurity.

I do think the PSP will outsell it regularly, although on big releases I can easily see big bumps for the DS, but it's going to take a while before the PSP can actually leave it behind. There's just too many good games coming for the DS, so even if it's a weaker system based on tech specs, it's going to have some absolutely amazing quality of games.

 

[Mrbob]

:lol

What the hell is with all this Nintendo fan chest thumping lately by putting their accounts on the line over ridiculous arbitrary sales goals? Getting crazy. :lol

 

[Speevy]

10 years from now, if Nintendo is still making consoles and handhelds, I get to kill all of you.

 

[Speevy]

:lol

Whateva, man. Put me down for that if it makes you feel better

EDIT: And if it happens any time before then, you lose. Agree?

No amendments. September or nothing. Of course, you don't have to do it if you're AFRAID!! :lol

 

[Brofist]

Is that better?

i like it, thats pretty cool (less seizure inducing too)

 

[mashoutposse]

LOL, I'm afraid? Why don't you just eat the amendment if you're so fearless :lol

 

[Izzy]

:lol

What the hell is with all this Nintendo fan chest thumping lately by putting their accounts on the line over ridiculous arbitrary sales goals? Getting crazy. :lol

I have no bloody idea - but if it keeps up, we'll be running out of Nintendo fans shortly.

 

[Speevy]

Okay, amendment made.




If the DS sells 22,000 or less during a given week in September, I leave.
DS sells 22,000 or less during a week before September, I say you leave.

 

[GSG Flash]

10 years from now, if Nintendo is still making consoles and handhelds, I get to kill all of you.

No not all of us, just the N-haters who are doubting the awesome power of Nintendo

 

[Juno]

Fook this DS and PSP sh*t. RE4 performing so badly is a crying shame. Awesome game.

 

[Chrono]

Fook this DS and PSP sh*t. RE4 performing so badly is a crying shame. Awesome game.

I don't know. I'm still hoping for word of mouth to get around for this game. Maybe it'll hit 750k or so.


At least it'll be out on the PS2 so eventually it will get the sales it deserves.

 

[btrboyev]

At least it'll be out on the PS2 so eventually it will get the sales it deserves.

I have no doubt it will garner more sales, but I don't think it will get the sales that everybody is thinking just because its on ps2.

 

[Rainbow L33T]

Betting against the DS selling lower than 22k in september,when strong games are coming out at about that time?

I think some Sony fans could get ban on this one.

 

[gamergirly]

Boy, we've really gone full cycle now. Now the DS is dead :lol

Seriously,

Look at the games coming for the DS. It's got a crapload. And they've got Pokemon, Mario Kart, Castlevania, and some Square games. They're not going to fall into obscurity.

I do think the PSP will outsell it regularly, although on big releases I can easily see big bumps for the DS, but it's going to take a while before the PSP can actually leave it behind. There's just too many good games coming for the DS, so even if it's a weaker system based on tech specs, it's going to have some absolutely amazing quality of games.

PSP outsell DS regularly? If a big PS2 originating title comes out for it regularly. The DS isnt GC, it doesnt have one big hit coming out for it every moon cycle....

 

[pilonv1]

Once again, you think people would learn about making broad assumptions and bets. There should be a "Hall of Idots" thread for people who continually post stupid predictions or "bets" so we can bask in their foolishness.

 

[duckroll]

PSP outsell DS regularly? If a big PS2 originating title comes out for it regularly. The DS isnt GC, it doesnt have one big hit coming out for it every moon cycle....

So explain how the PSP is outselling the DS now for 3 weeks running with no good new releases at all. You're right though, the DS doesn't have one big hit coming out for it every moon cycle, in fact it doesn't have one big hit coming out for it at all as far as the horizon for the next 6 months goes. :lol

 

[GaimeGuy]

People Always Need A Reason to Bitch About Nintendo™

 

[Chrono]

People Always Need A Reason to Bitch About Nintendo™

Because Nintendo fucking rocks. They can't stand it.

 

[cvxfreak]

People Always Need A Reason to Bitch About Nintendo™

This will be a banned phrase next year.

 

[GaimeGuy]

This will be a banned phrase next year.

NEVER!

 

[teiresias]

People Always Need A Reason to Bitch About Nintendo™

Good thing Nintendo is so willing to provide them then.

 

[Fafalada]

Clearly ridiculous, the screens are obvisouly $50 since that's what I can get a PSone LCD for.

While I'll be the first to say that I don't have 100% proof one way or another (different inside sources have said different things too), I will say that 200$ for the current PSP screen sounds ridiculous either way - while it looks great, it's not exactly perfect, the response times in particular aren't great.
Considering that early hardware used a higher specced screen(with what appeared a perfect 60hz response), and with all the rumours of original plan for 300$ price, it's not unresonable to consider screen change may have actually been in-line with the price drop.

Unless perhaps Sony had planned to loose 200+$ on the hw all along, even with the 300$ unit price.

 

[Jonnyram]

So explain how the PSP is outselling the DS now for 3 weeks running with no good new releases at all.

You mean Rengoku and Fafner aren't good?

You're right though, the DS doesn't have one big hit coming out for it every moon cycle, in fact it doesn't have one big hit coming out for it at all as far as the horizon for the next 6 months goes. :lol

Give me your crystal ball, I need to know which stocks to buy for the next 6 months :lol Yoshi will go on to sell a lot, I am sure. Kirby and Nintendogs will also sell a ton. As for other stuff, we don't have any idea what will be out in summer, but I'm sure there'll be something decent.

 

[duckroll]

You mean Rengoku and Fafner aren't good?

Give me your crystal ball, I need to know which stocks to buy for the next 6 months :lol Yoshi will go on to sell a lot, I am sure. Kirby and Nintendogs will also sell a ton. As for other stuff, we don't have any idea what will be out in summer, but I'm sure there'll be something decent.

Here...

Oh my! Look what it says!

:lol :lol :lol

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

So explain how the PSP is outselling the DS now for 3 weeks running with no good new releases at all.

High demand, not enough supply to sate said demand.

 

[Diffense]

High demand, not enough supply to sate said demand.

Exactly, I see the current PSP sales as being due to pent up launch demand being fulfilled as units become available. DS has settled into a consistent post-launch sales pattern (~50K/week) but due to the inital shortage I don't think PSP has done so yet.

 

[Monk]

So explain how the PSP is outselling the DS now for 3 weeks running with no good new releases at all. You're right though, the DS doesn't have one big hit coming out for it every moon cycle, in fact it doesn't have one big hit coming out for it at all as far as the horizon for the next 6 months goes. :lol

The PSP makes an awesome mp3 player.

 

[duckroll]

http://www.dengekionline.com/soft/ranking/ranking.htm

The Dengeki charts are slightly different, with an interesting twist. ACE is #1, with an estimated 216k sold and a store absorption rate of a whooping 90%. Radiata is #2 with 167k and an absorption rate of 55% (from game store blogs, it's clear that Radiata shipped the MOST out of last week's releases so that's no surprise). BH4 did 130k at #3, DDS2 at 60k, Yoshi at 49k and Death by Degrees at 39k. Beyond the top 2 Dengeki didn't comment on the absorption rate. I think Media Create numbers will be pretty different too. We'll see.

 

[Monk]

This doesnt bode well for my 700k meteos bet

 

[acklame]

http://www.dengekionline.com/soft/ranking/ranking.htm

PSP actually has 11 titles spread throughout the top 50 on the chart. DS on the other hand, has 5. For the DS owners, it seems that the Nintendo franchises pretty much domniates all software sales.

 

[duckroll]

This doesnt bode well for my 700k meteos bet

Don't worry, we'll all just pretend you were joking ok? Hey at least the game will be really fun.

PSP actually has 11 titles spread throughout the top 50 on the chart. DS on the other hand, has 5. For the DS owners, it seems that the Nintendo franchises pretty much domniates all software sales.

That's pretty much what every Nintendo system is now though. Nintendo itself is an extremely strong gaming brand name, but that doesn't do much for 3rd party sadly. The 3rd party support on the GC last year alone was really admirable. Too bad the results were so disappointing.

 

[Monk]

Don't worry, we'll all just pretend you were joking ok? Hey at least the game will be really fun.

It is going to be a real crime if Wario and Mario 64 DS sells better than it. Which was the reason why i made the bet.

 

[Sho Nuff]

This doesnt bode well for my 700k meteos bet

It's a third-party puzzle game, dude. I would take back that bet if you can. :lol

 

[Monk]

Yeah, i take that bet back. Makes me very sad though.

<- No.1 Sakurai fan after this:

Masahiro Sakurai: "It was tough for me to see that every time I made a new game, people automatically assumed that a sequel was coming. Even if it's a sequel, lots of people have to give their all to make a game, but some people think the sequel process happens naturally."

"With times as they are, it's really difficult to make any money for yourself, and I know that I'm taking a big risk here. It's entirely possible that I could just fade right away without ever seeing the light of day again. But even if that happened, I've already decided to myself that I should keep on doing the work I can do, even if it's not all about games."

"When I look across the entire game industry, I think we're at a point where we can't get away with being lazy. The game industry is in big trouble, don't you think? Not a lot of people can survive off game sales these days, and the possibilities that games have to offer are growing smaller and smaller, I think. If games were able to receive a certain amount of support-if people had fun with them, if they sold well-then we should be seeing more innovative, more positive games come out one after the other. But that's not the future I'm seeing right now. The risks are so big that misfiring with one title can flatten an entire company.

That's why you see places trying to stay alive by putting out tons of budget titles and re-releases. Every game company, no matter who they are, is desperate right now. So one possibility is that people will say 'I can't live off this anymore' and leave the game industry in droves. You see a lot of people use terms like 'console wars' and compare the whole thing to a fight for territory. You [the interviewer] and lots of other people in the game industry get termed 'Nintendo people' or 'Some other console's people' by someone you've never even met. But this is no time for that, I don't think."

"If I want to keep producing games as a business, then staying at HAL would be a more stable place to do that. HAL has its advantages. I get a reasonable amount of pay, living in Yamanashi prefecture isn't that bad, the rent's cheap, and I get national insurance, you know?

But I don't care about that sort of stability. Right now I'm far more concerned about the fact that the game industry, which is built from the balance between developers, publishers, and users, is beginning to fall apart at the seams. I think it's possible for me, as a developer, to have people think about this problem through the development work I do. If I stay in one spot, then I can only communicate this to a limited number of people around the company, but if I can go out and reach more people - I think there are lots of people with far greater abilities than myself out there in the world. I mean, I'm entirely focused on games and I really can't do all that much myself, but if I can get in touch with people that have other great talents, then I think that will set off a chemical reaction and in the end we'll have a chance to make new games and better things. People with these talents might be at a loss at what games to make, and perhaps I can help make up for that in exchange for lending me their talent. This may sound idealistic, but it's really what I think."

"If one game sells 40,000 copies and another one sells 20,000 copies, then one sold twice as much as another, right? But if you work for a company, this isn't reflected much in your salary. No matter if your game sells or not, you'll get money deposited in the bank every month on the month, so sometimes you see cases where developers get indifferent towards money and lose the feeling that they're really earning what they make. On the other hand, gamers take money out of their wallets and use it to buy your game. This difference is making gamers and developers drift farther and farther away from each other.

I talked with different people from around the industry about this, and it always seemed like the people who understood what gamers want the most are the guys in sales or the guys working in the stores. But isn't that messed up? It's completely messed up that the people actually making the games are the farthest away from what gamers want. I want to do something about that. I'm not saying I want to change the game industry or anything huge like that, but I just want to do something.

But coincidentally enough-we didn't arrange this or anything-some people in this same industry, people that are fairly well known as developers go, are leaving or moving around in their companies. Other things are going on besides [Yoshiki] Okamoto's new company... It may all be a coincidence, but there are lots of people who think the way things are right now is no good, and I think it's great to see these people going in a new direction and taking the rest of the industry along with them."

"I don't think I can take any large-scale work for a while, so I doubt I'll suddenly become director on some grandiose project. There is a chance I'll be involved in several titles at once, but I'll need to think over the balance involved carefully. I may be seriously involved in some, but on others I may let the director and staff at the office take care of it and stick to just giving advice."

 

[duckroll]

Yeah, i take that bet back. Makes me very sad though.

Sure, it's really sad. But it's bad enough he's suffering for us, you don't have to suffer by getting banned too.

 

[Juno]

I don't know. I'm still hoping for word of mouth to get around for this game. Maybe it'll hit 750k or so.


At least it'll be out on the PS2 so eventually it will get the sales it deserves.

Yeah, I think when the fanboy goggles are removed, most will realise the PS2 realise will only help RE4 see the kind of sales it deserves (like a sucker I'll buy it for the PS2 as well just for the extra stuff).

I'm just about to go through it again because it seems I missed quite a few things out. The sub missions and mini games especially.

Definitely going to be in my overall top 5 for this generation.

 

[duckroll]

From Media Create's weekly for the same week:

Ranking Platform Title Genre Publisher Release Date MSRP Units sold
1 PS2 Another Century's Episode ACT Banpresto 2005.01.27 6,980yen 180,885
2 PS2 Radiata Stories RPG Square Enix 2005.01.27 7,800yen 174,281
3 GC Resident Evil 4 ADV Capcom 2005.01.27 7,800yen 142,025
4 DS Yoshi Touch & Go ACT Nintendo 2005.01.27 4,571yen 63,733
5 PS2 Digital Devil Saga: Avatar Tuner 2 RPG Atlus 2005.01.27 6,980yen 51,246
6 PS2 Death by Degrees ACT Namco 2005.01.27 6,800yen 36,683
7 PS2 Monster Hunter G ACT Capcom 2005.01.20 4,752yen 26,206
8 PS2 Gran Turismo 4 (incl. Limited Edition and Version with PS2) RCE SCE 2004.12.28 32,000yen 23,524
9 DS Wario Ware: Touched! ETC Nintendo 2004.12.02 4,571yen 22,817
10 DS Super Mario 64 DS ACT Nintendo 2004.12.02 4,571yen 19,824

Of these titles, "Another Century's Episode," which sold approximately 181,000 units, had an extremely high absorption rate of more than 90%, and it appears that if the game's initial shipment had been larger, its sales figure would have grown even more.

Hardware Units sold
PSP 74,405
PS2 58,673
DS 43,226
GBASP 11,589
GC 8,214
Xbox 467
GBA 399

Interesting figures as this confirms that ACE is doing *really* well, while RE4 remains rather disappointing (;_. Interestingly, for last week Media Create's hardware sales actually shows the PSP outselling the DS, GBASP, GBA, GC and Xbox sales all combined. Pretty good showing right there considering it's nothing more than an overpriced and oversized mp3 player with no good games and nothing on the horizon but more and more lame ports from the PS2 while the DS is the last stronghold of innovation! :lol :lol :lol

 

[evilromero]

I guess the Yoshi brand name was burned by the horrible Universal Gravitation game. Well, Kirby will definitely pick up sales. If he can't than who knows what the fuck will.

 

[SolidSnakex]

I guess the Yoshi brand name was burned by the horrible Universal Gravitation game. Well, Kirby will definitely pick up sales. If he can't than who knows what the fuck will.

When is that sidescroller Mario game due?

 

[jarrod]

That's pretty much what every Nintendo system is now though.

When is that sidescroller Mario game due?

Not for awhile... here's the current DS and PSP lineups through March.


Nintendo DS

2.17.2005
-Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2005 (Electronic Arts)

2.24.2005
-Another Code: 2tsu no Kioku (Nintendo)

3.10.2005
-Meteos (Bandai)
-Pac Pix (Namco)

3.17.2005
-Bokujou Monogatari: Colobocle Station (Marvelous Interactive)

3.24.2005
-Hanjuku Eiyuu DS: Egg Monster Heroes (Square Enix)
-Tantei Kibukawa Ryosuke Jiken Dan: Kamen Genei Satsujinjiken (Genki)
-Touch! Kirby: Mahou no Efude (Nintendo)

3.31.2005
-Space Invaders DS (Taito)
-Yakuman DS (Nintendo)

tba (Q1)
-Caduceus: Surgical Operation (Atlus)
-Deep Labyrinth (Interactive Brains)
-Minna no MahJong (MTO)
-Naruto: Saikyou Ninja Daikesshuu 3 (TOMY)
-Need for Speed Underground 2 (Electronic Arts)
-Toy Heads World (Interactive Brains)


PlayStation Portable

2.10.2005
- PoPoLoCrois Monogatari: Pietro Ouji no Bouken (SCEI)

2.17.2005
-Mobile Train Simulator + Densha de GO! Tokyo Kyuukou Hen (Ongakukan)

2.24.2005
-Namco Museum (Namco)
-Need for Speed Underground Rivals (Electronic Arts)
-Shinten Makai: Generation of Chaos IV Another Side (Idea Factory)

3.03.2005
-Tales of Eternia (Namco)

3.17.2005
-Sarugetchu P! (SCEI)

3.24.2005
-Bleach: Heat the Soul (SCEI)
-Dora-Slot 2: Suyaku wa Zenigata (Dorart)
-Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2005 (Electronic Arts)

3.31.2005
-Space Invader Pocket (Taito)

tba (Q1)
-Intelligent License (Now Production)
-Kidou Senshi Gundam for PSP Vol. 1 (Bandai) UMD video
-Sangokushi V (Koei)


...I'd say the DS has the stronger lineup overall (Kirby+Hanjuku being the big ones), but PSP's still enjoying it's supply restricted honeymoon. DS will probably outsell it the week of the 24th, PSP selling better the rest of the time through March (or until the launch bubble pops). Both lineups are pretty nicely full though.

 

[GDGF]

I'm not sure exactly what happened, since none of them were banned when the sales data came in. Culex and Broshnat were banned last Saturday....Cruel Bastard Mario is still here. I'm not sure if the bets are being enforced or if they are getting axed for different reasons. Broshnat's attitude certainly wasn't winning him much favor, but there was no need to ban Culex for anything other than the bet I don't think.

Odnetin is also banned, so perhaps there's just been a minor purge of the N-bots.

I feel like I'm all alone over here.


(singing) Let my people gooooo!

 

[DCharlie]

i'd like to know where THE FUCK are these 78,000 units a week, because YET AGAIN, the PSP stocks in game stores here ARE STILL EMPTY.

Is Tokyo getting left out or something!??!?

 

[cvxfreak]

i'd like to know where THE FUCK are these 78,000 units a week, because YET AGAIN, the PSP stocks in game stores here ARE STILL EMPTY.

Is Tokyo getting left out or something!??!?

Sony pays Media Create and Famitsu moneyhats!!!

 

[soundwave05]

It helps to consider that Media Create or Famitsu don't neccessarily = 100% of every single sale.

Actual sales for any game/hardware on these charts is probably a bit higher in real life.

Something will a sell-out rate of 80% or more gives you a decent shot of walking into a store depending on where you live and seeing the storeshelves entirely empty.

There's a good chance an area like Tokyo or certain areas of Tokyo are completely sold out of their stock.

 

[Timbuktu]

i'd like to know where THE FUCK are these 78,000 units a week, because YET AGAIN, the PSP stocks in game stores here ARE STILL EMPTY.

Is Tokyo getting left out or something!??!?

Obviously they're all bought out by the Chinese mafia!

 

[lordmrw]

I thought RE4 was released on the 27th?