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Just like the Cylons, the GOP never had a plan. Never expected Trump to win.

Syriel

Member
The GOP never even had a "Plan A," let alone a B, C, or D.

It's very easy to complain about how someone else does something. The GOP is finding out that actually doing something is much harder.

Sen. Patrick J. Toomey offered a simple, remarkable explanation this week for why Republicans have struggled so mightily to find a way to repeal the Affordable Care Act.

“Look, I didn’t expect Donald Trump to win, I think most of my colleagues didn’t, so we didn’t expect to be in this situation,” the Pennsylvania Republican said Wednesday night during a meeting with voters hosted by four ABC affiliates across his state.

Toomey did not participate in detailed Republican planning sessions on the Senate Finance Committee about how to reshape the nation’s health laws if Trump won the election — because no such planning sessions were really ever held.

Every important Republican leader expected Democrat Hillary Clinton to win, and that left Republicans confused and paralyzed about how to proceed when she didn’t.

That the GOP didn’t think they would take back the White House has informed other policy debates this year. A massive overhaul of the tax code, a Holy Grail of policy for Ryan, remains completely at loggerheads because the speaker’s preference for a controversial tax on imported goods was never litigated within the party last year, ahead of the election.

Trump’s struggles on Capitol Hill reflect more than institutional shock over his victory. Republicans have controlled both the House and Senate now for 2 ½ years, with little success working out these policy issues.

But the shock of his victory, and the lack of planning ahead of it, is perhaps the cornerstone of this summer of Republican gridlock.

In December 2015, Republican lawmakers voted easily to repeal the Affordable Care Act. But it was a “messaging” vote, and they knew that then-President Barack Obama would veto the bill. Now, as Toomey likes to say, they’re playing with “live ammo.”

Source:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...d6a8e0-624a-11e7-8adc-fea80e32bf47_story.html
 

Zubz

Banned
To be fair, Toomey didn't seem to have a plan for himself, either. He just parrots whatever Trump spouts & embarrasses the whole damn Commonwealth.

At least we might be able to impeach Trump, or he goes away in 3.5 years. We're stuck with this dipshit until my 30's...
 

Beartruck

Member
Well, I honestly can't blame them. They went from thinking they faced obliteration to facing success beyond their wildest dreams.
 
Being a member of Congress or the Senate in the GOP was the easiest job in the world, just say no to everything! Now they gotta do work and they can't because they're monstrous babies who got to where they are by whining about everything, like their father Donald Trump.
 
It's doesn't matter if they did or not the GOP hasn't had a plan in ages they get their marching orders from their corporate masters and their right wing think tanks.
 

theWB27

Member
Well, I honestly can't blame them. They went from thinking they faced obliteration to facing success beyond their wildest dreams.

You can blame them...because they still told everyone they'd take it away and replace it with something better.
 

Zubz

Banned
It's doesn't matter if they did or not the GOP hasn't had a plan in ages they get their marching orders from their corporate masters and their right wing think tanks.

Yup. Even Toomey himself has several hundred dollars from the Koch Bros. lining his pockets. He just does what more powerful people tell him to do; he's only good for being their enablers.
 

JeffZero

Purple Drazi
Cavil had a plan. He wanted to be a dick. His compatriots were unprepared for the extinction-level event that was his dickery.

The parallels, they strike me so.
 

kirblar

Member
They were taking the George Constanza approach of saying they had an idea, but never actually presenting it to anyone.
This is a problem on the left as well (see: "Single-Payer" bill in CA that really can't function) http://tinyletter.com/DavidDayen/letters/fight-the-power-and-wear-the-right-gloves-when-you-do-it
When I wrote last Friday about California's single payer effort, the hurdles, and the need for better strategy, I didn't expect it to get much attention. I'd already made these points a week earlier on Twitter - I was out of the country so I couldn't publish anything - and other writers had gotten there as well. But I guess I hit a nerve.

I begin from the premise that not all efforts to fight corporate power are created equal. Some are smart and some aren't. Some understand how to get from point A to point B and some don't. We can either cheerlead any time anyone puts up a middle finger at the ruling class or we can be a little more discerning, and ensure that when (not if) democratic socialism takes power, competent people are at the controls. We do not honor the work of individuals in the grassroots, the ones that make the calls and get in the streets, by having their efforts go toward disingenuous, ill-considered, or purely political pursuits.

The bottom line is that California single payer legislation has gotten steadily worse as its prospects for becoming law have brightened. Its leaders have become less transparent about the steps necessary for passage as more people have become open to that reality. A leadership that should be building a coalition to do the long-haul work needed to beat a corporate onslaught is instead freelancing and windmill-tilting. This can't help but damage future success and the continued backing of grassroots supporters.

I'm only doing a couple media appearances about this matter, though I may return to the issue afterwards. In discussions after the fact I'm convinced that this was an important conversation to start. If we want to really change policy in America, passion and strategy must go hand in hand.
Promising an angry base the moon while making no actual attempt at actual governance is a recipe for disaster, no matter where on the political spectrum you're trying to govern from.

The GOP gave in to know-nothings and is completely incapable of governing because of it. Dems can't make the same mistake.
 

RDreamer

Member
You can blame them...because they still told everyone they'd take it away and replace it with something better.

I think you need to blame the voters and media almost moreso. If someone promises you a magical unicorn that farts gold every day at noon and people still believe you and the media pretends that's just the other side of the argument and a perfectly logical position to have then it's hard to blame that person for the strategy I guess.

The basics of life is that people will take as much leeway as you give them. As a country, we gave them all the leeway and space in the world to spin their idiocy.
 

Gallbaro

Banned
Basically he is saying they did not expect to have to deal with the consequences of legislation derived from their bullshit policies.
 
Sen. Patrick J. Toomey offered a simple, remarkable explanation this week for why Republicans have struggled so mightily to find a way to repeal the Affordable Care Act.

“Look, I didn’t expect Donald Trump to win, I think most of my colleagues didn’t, so we didn’t expect to be in this situation,” the Pennsylvania Republican said Wednesday night during a meeting with voters hosted by four ABC affiliates across his state.

I mean, that's fine and all, except they ALSO had the previous ~6 years before Donald Trump was even a candidate to come up with their own plan, and they wasted that time too. They can't pin this all on Trump.
 

commedieu

Banned
Well, I honestly can't blame them. They went from thinking they faced obliteration to facing success beyond their wildest dreams.
I can blame them for trying to kill healthcare over and over and put up roadblocks to give Americans health, when they had no God damned plan besides sticking it to the black man in office.

Fuck them 1000 times over. We are talking about people living or dying. This should be a sign to people. But it won't be because, well, people are morons who want to stick it to liberals and snowflakes etc.
 

Strike

Member
Anyone who used any kind of critical thinking at all could've figured this out. It was obvious from the start. Now they're in the driver's seat and try as they might they can't blame it on anyone but themselves.
 
They're best bet is to loose some branch to the democrats otherwise the longer they stay in power the quicker their charade of a party becomes disgustingly obvious to the fence sitters and other idiots that voted them in. They better do it quick before they burn down the economy and anything else the moron south mouth breathers depend on so they can quickly go back to blaming the democrats, quick before their voters catch on it was them all along.
 
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