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Justice Department says gays aren't protected by federal anti-discrimination law.

Tawpgun

Member
I thought this was kind of interesting because..... legally the Justice Department is right.

“The sole question here is whether, as a matter of law, Title VII reaches sexual orientation discrimination,” the brief said. “It does not, as has been settled for decades. Any efforts to amend Title VII’s scope should be directed to Congress rather than the courts.”

In 2014, Eric Holder, Mr. Obama’s attorney general, issued a memo stating that in any litigation that came before it, the Justice Department would take the position that the protections afforded by Title VII would be extended to include a person’s gender identity, including transgender status. The future of that memo under Mr. Trump remains unclear.

A lower court on Long Island first considered Mr. Zarda’s case in 2015 and ruled against him, deciding, despite the E.E.O.C. ruling, that sexual orientation was not included in the civil rights law’s prohibition against discrimination based on “sex.” In April, the Second Circuit in New York upheld that court’s decision, even though it noted that there was “a longstanding tension in Title VII case law.”

Federal appeals courts have issued contradictory rulings on the matter. In 2000, while considering the case of a Long Island postal worker, Dwayne Simonton, who was abused at work for being gay, the Second Circuit ruled that the language of Title VII did not bar discrimination based on sexual orientation. The ruling also noted that Congress has repeatedly declined to include such a provision in the law.

“There can be no doubt that the conduct allegedly engaged in by Simonton’s co-workers is morally reprehensible,” the court wrote in 2000. It added, however, that “the law is well-settled in this circuit.”

Shortly after the new brief was filed, civil rights advocates attacked it. In a statement on Wednesday, Vanita Gupta, who ran the Justice Department’s civil-rights division under Mr. Obama, said that the Trump administration’s court filing “contravenes recent court decisions and guidance issued by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/27/nyregion/justice-department-gays-workplace.html?_r=1

Title VII prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex and national origin.


Let's be clear, it's awful this is happening. But I was genuinely surprised there wasn't any official wording for sexual orientation.
 
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Just further proves we have to adjust the laws of the land for current times. I find it interesting and peculiar that the first thing that comes to a straight man's mind is sex when they get around gay people.
 
This picture will never not enrage me. I hate that motherfucker with every fibre of my being.

that wouldn't enrage me. It's a photo OP
What enrages me is all those LGBT folks who didn't care and like all classic trumpsters voted and continue to defend his actions. Using shit excuses and past opinions of Hillary Clinton
 

Media

Member
Just further proves we have to adjust the laws of the land for current times. I find it interesting and peculiar that the first thing that comes to a straight man's mind is sex when they get around gay people.

Of course, however, those laws won't be adjusted by our current ruling class unless it's make it illegal to fire someone for being racist or homophobic to co-workers.

You know, like add language that while gays and trans folk are protected, bigots are.
 
So my employer can fire me for being a flaming homosexual?

Usually they wouldn't because it is bad for business and they probably get sued for something else. However, legally LGBT aren't a protected class I think. Laws need to be passed to ensure that they are.
 

Shy Fingers

Banned
They're correct that it is not protected by the law, but pointing that out kind of brings one of the many things that still need to be changed to light for more people, that the fight didn't end with marriage.

What is happening to America?

It's becoming great again, obviously.
 

CDX

Member
So my employer can fire me for being a flaming homosexual?

You theoretically could get fired for just legally getting married to the same sex and sharing the news. Something straight folks getting married would never have to even think about.
 

Zubz

Banned
What is happening to America?

You know how when you find 1 mouse, that means about a hundred more came in the same way?

Imagine that, but Trump's the hold letting in radical conservatives. And breaking the metaphor, other conservatives are letting this happen because it's what they always wanted but are aware of of possible repercussions. I really hope the Mueller investigation works like a total wipe of the filth like Sessions; even if they aren't directly colluding with Russia, if they came in with colluders, they should be kicked out like them.
 

Gorillaz

Member
What is happening to America?

I think everyone took the Obama years for granted honestly. People found out the hard way on election day and going forward that not everyone in America is into wanting the same liberties for all groups.

I think it's a wakeup call that was needed for people to realize the division but not at the level of presidency.
 

Sulik2

Member
What is happening to America?

Nothing different really. A good 1/6 to 1/4 of this country are racist, sexist, bigoted christian extremists who feel safe to talk in public again with Trump in power. The USA has been a fundamentally divided country since the civil war, one side swings into power for a few decades then the other takes over.
 
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And yes, he's technically correct, the Civil Rights Act does not explicitly cover LGBT persons.
 
I wonder what the Gays for Trump think about this. I imagine it's along the lines of "at least it's not Hillary" while they slowly (or quickly) lose all the advancement that has occurred during the last Presidency.
 
Title VII was passed in 1964 as parts of the civil rights act, why would it be surprising that it doesn't cover sexuality or gender? The gay rights movement really took off in 1969 after the Stonewall riots and it still took decades.

There have been a number of lawsuits last year and this year and various circuit court of appeals have come to different conclusions on whether Title VII protects gays and trans, with some saying yes and some saying no. Its going to go to the supreme court eventually.

The safest "legal" option is to amend the civil rights act to include sexuality and gender but thats unlikely to occur anytime soon, not sure of the legislative process but I think it would require not just a majority but a super majority to change and the override of any Presidential veto.
 

Brakke

Banned
Why the Civil Right Act doesn't already cover these people is upsetting. Fuck our leaders.

I mean. Interracial marriage was illegal in a lot of America until three years after the Civil Rights Act passed. Not particularly surprising that sexual orientation wasn't a protected class when they wrote it.

But yeah. Clearly oughta get updated.
 

riotous

Banned
Just glad that many (of the best) States offer protections that don't require federal law.

I hope eventually we re-strengthen federal law on things like civil rights and environmental policy, but it is cool to see so many States flex their muscles to stand in opposition to some of these changes.

Unfortunately these civil rights protections have a number of states wanting to go the other direction, which is why the Obama admin stepped in.

But Conservative States will continue to lose talented and good people, lose business to organizations that refuse to conduct events in their States, etc.

Just to be clear, fuck this admin and all these changes.. but "All of America" is not changed by these laws. A lot of foreigners in particular don't seem to understand that.
 

EGM1966

Member
I guess I've been missing something regarding US politics/law all along. Someone has to trigger an adjustment? The legal system doesn't update itself noting there's an obvious omission regarding sexual orientation discrimination?

I mean isn't it time this was amended then? Why don't the judges/court just get to it since it's an obvious oversight?
 

mnannola

Member
Can someone come up with a single valid reason that it would be OK to discriminate due to sexual orientation? No. Ok lets amend this law then ASAP.
 

Dynasty

Member
Can someone come up with a single valid reason that it would be OK to discriminate due to sexual orientation? No. Ok lets amend this law then ASAP.

Something something Bible, something something Hell, something something God/Jesus, something something Gay Frogs?

Checkmate Libcuck.
 
What is happening to America?

It was always this way - the bill we're talking about passed in 1964 FFS. The Obama administration used a tendentious reading of its protection against sex discrimination to apply to the LGBT community, and now an administration hostile to gay rights has reversed that reading.

The LGBT community needs to seriously prioritize anti-discrimination bills - there's no federal protection fro being fired for being gay and the majority of Americans don't live in states with such protections. It's not over now that we have marriage equality.
 

Media

Member
I guess I've been missing something regarding US politics/law all along. Someone has to trigger an adjustment? The legal system doesn't update itself noting there's an obvious omission regarding sexual orientation discrimination?

I mean isn't it time this was amended then? Why don't the judges/court just get to it since it's an obvious oversight?

Because the right believe that the right to discrimination based on religious reasons is more important than human rights in general, except if that religion is Muslim.
 

The Lamp

Member
Something something Bible, something something Hell, something something God/Jesus, something something Gay Frogs?

Checkmate Libcuck.

Christian conservative logic is non-existent though. If there's more discrimination, gays have a harder time getting jobs. If they can't work, they can't eat, and have to rely on food stamps and social programs, things conservatives hate paying taxes to.
 

Dynasty

Member
Christian conservative logic is non-existent though. If there's more discrimination, gays have a harder time getting jobs. If they can't work, they can't eat, and have to rely on food stamps and social programs, things conservatives hate paying taxes to.

Christian conservatives also hate abortion and so in theory should be for sex-ed and free contraception since it will reduce the amount of abortions and the tax money spent on it.
 

MarionCB

Member
Well then change the law to protect sexual orientation. Clearly the recent SC decision showed that's what's meant to happen constitutionally, besides the clear ethical need. Or are the Republicans simply bigots? Yeah.
 
Obama was right:
"Civility is on the ballot," Obama said. "Tolerance is on the ballot. Courtesy is on the ballot. Honesty is on the ballot. Equality is on the ballot. Kindness is on the ballot," he continued. "All the progress we made in the last eight years is on the ballot - democracy itself is on the ballot right now."

Also, in sort of a paraphrase, I was right:
We're fucked
 
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