Lactose_Intolerant
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Justices Approve Strip-Searches for Any Offense
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sorry, this is actually a very good idea
a lot of people need to be strip searched because of the danger they can pose to police staff, and more likely, to themselves
the amount of fuckers who try and hang themselves or slit their wrists with shit they took into jail is absurd
if you dont want to be the cop who had a prisoner in their care die in a cell you bet your ass you want to be strip searching
shit we heard stories from cops a while back, and some of that shit would blow your mind. a priest arrested for petty theft tried to hang himself with the elastic in his trousers, and nearly succeeded. just because of the shame he felt in being arrested
theres just no way you can avoid 100% of the risk unless you just search everyone
and i mean the only way to avoid abuses of power in this case is to strip search everyone when coming into prison, because then youre not singling people out based on how they look etc
there are also really strict procedures police have to follow, like same sex searches, only one half of the body at a time, etc
its literally totally fine and practical imo
a lot of people need to be strip searched because of the danger they can pose to police staff, and more likely, to themselves
the amount of fuckers who try and hang themselves or slit their wrists with shit they took into jail is absurd
if you dont want to be the cop who had a prisoner in their care die in a cell you bet your ass you want to be strip searching
shit we heard stories from cops a while back, and some of that shit would blow your mind. a priest arrested for petty theft tried to hang himself with the elastic in his trousers, and nearly succeeded. just because of the shame he felt in being arrested
theres just no way you can avoid 100% of the risk unless you just search everyone
and i mean the only way to avoid abuses of power in this case is to strip search everyone when coming into prison, because then youre not singling people out based on how they look etc
there are also really strict procedures police have to follow, like same sex searches, only one half of the body at a time, etc
its literally totally fine and practical imo
GungHo
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You can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride. Also, getting your car out of impound is a pain and expensive. It would be nice to be able to bill the city for damage done to your car during their illegal search and seizure, but they apparently have that angle covered.
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freenudemacusers
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I wonder if I can choose my officer. I'd like my strip search to resemble a C-IN2 ad.
I didn't think the philippines were part of the US but can you blame me for jumping the gun when there are threads like this? Sit back and enjoy every single right you have taken away and treated no better than the terrorists.
Grinchy
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Can those things detect a plastic shiv that's inside a man's anus? Or drugs for that matter? I don't actually know the answer, but I assume they cannot.
But yeah, this is fucking ridiculous.
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!?
Searching is one thing, for a proper offense, but strip searching? Now if you piss off a cop, they have just cause to get you nekkid for anything you do that's illegal. This shit is fucked up. Who the fuck thought this was right?
"Hey you, you were jay-walking, weren't you?"
"Yeah, so what? Who cares?"
"Get naked."
Searching is one thing, for a proper offense, but strip searching? Now if you piss off a cop, they have just cause to get you nekkid for anything you do that's illegal. This shit is fucked up. Who the fuck thought this was right?
"Hey you, you were jay-walking, weren't you?"
"Yeah, so what? Who cares?"
"Get naked."
MidgarBlowedUp
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I am not ok with giving away my freedom just to keep someone from killing themselves. Oh, and the police absolutely do not need to follow any strict procedures as they will never be held accountable anyway. An example would be how they handled this whole George Zimmerman case. I can say with 101% certainty that this kind of thing is common. Then again, it does say "after your arrested".
Vermillion
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Don't much care. Maybe it shouldn't be for tiny offenses, though.
ElectricThunder
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Ludicrously terrible ruling...this will see so much abuse if it gets through. I guess it also gives a perfect additional way to separate protesters.
Tazers and strip searches----bad progression.
Tazers and strip searches----bad progression.
Karma Kramer
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This... good luck peacefully protesting with laws like this being passed.
Devolution
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So victims of abuse have even more PTSD related shit to look forward to? Great.
Raonak
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wtf america!
BakedPigeon
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I welcome strip searches, i want to show people my erect self.
Devolution
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EnderWiggles
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This Is Obamaville®
Big Baybee
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Sure, but he would be a cool guy to have a beer with.
Do you just not have any fucking clue, or are you just trolling?
Slappers Only
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There's no room for reasonable interpretations on the internet. People come here to get all fired up about social injustice, and you are being a total buzz kill. The internet works best when you just rabble rabble along with everyone else.
Open Source
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You know that this only applies to people who are actually arrested, right?
And you also realize that this only gives local legislators the freedom to allow such a thing - you can always elect legislators to pass a law restricting strip searches by police.
In other words, if it's happening in your city, blame the mayor and the cops, not the Supreme Court.
Angry Fork
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Allowing strip searches should not be the default, it should be the other way around.
Blame the supreme court.
Seraphinianus
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if it happens to me, i'm just gonna shit all over the place.
There's good video from lawyer where he says that under no circumstances should you speak to a cop. Whether innocent or guilty.
I don't think the suicide attempts happen all that often, though if you have a source for this I'd be interested in seeing it.
I have no problems with them processing someone, taking their clothes and giving them a uniform while they're in holding. But to force you to bend over and spread them, for any reason, based on nothing but a suspicion doesn't fit at all. And quite a lot of people have to do the self spread routine already as it is.
In America, an arrest used to mean simply that you would be processed and held until proof of a crime could be established, at which time you would be released or held depending on circumstances. This has crept into anyone and everyone being treated like a potential criminal, and multimillion dollar holding facilities that process people like they were animals and not citizens.
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VV Justice is far better than "democracy", especially when the voices that will be heard are focused on more efficient control rather than the rights of others.
Open Source
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If the Supreme Court disallows it, then it isn't permitted anywhere. Isn't democratic action a better solution?
Angry Fork
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It shouldn't be permitted anywhere.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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And just in case you jump ahead to the bashing without even being able to read. Your hatred runs deep it seems.
So with all the power the supreme court has, they have no other option to allow NO strip searches, or allow strip searches for EVERYTHING? There's not possible middle ground?
Open Source
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The Constitution doesn't protect you against embarrassment, sorry. If I am wrong, please quote the relevant passage.
It is a legislative issue, not a Constitutional one. I'm sorry that your hyperactive sense of outrage and lack of understanding of the separation of powers prevents you from comprehending this fact.
Open Source
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There is some middle ground, as the concurrences showed. But I still fail to see what in the Constitution would protect an arrestee from being strip searched.
I came here to say this. Unless we're talking about cavity searches, there seems to be no reason why that couldn't work. If we are talking about cavity searches, then I'd hope to God that those aren't being done on first time non-violent offenders, or for petty criminals. I understand that you've got to find drugs and weapons up there, but come on. Some guy that didn't pay his parking tickets is unlikely to have a balloon of heroin up his ass.
Angry Fork
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That's okay, I was expressing my opinion on how it should be rather than how it is. And now everyone else knows your opinion on human rights.
Dude Abides
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Not everyone who is arrested is guilty.
You seem to think that all police departments will now have a policy of strip searching every single person they arrest. They won't. This just means strip searches for women and whoever the police particularly don't like.
Never fear, Anthony Kennedy is very concerned about individual rights and liberties. He made that clear at the oral argument last week.
Not for fundamental liberties. That's what the Constitution is there for.
Pretty sure it does protect you from unreasonable searches though.
You're not from the country who just chucked someone in jail for being obnoxious on Twitter, are you? 'Cuz that would be ironic.
Open Source
Banned
Yes. But saying that strip searching arrestees is never reasonable is a bridge too far. The SC left it open for local governments to limit or ban strip searching as they see fit.
I'm not talking about never, I'm talking about not always reasonable.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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4th ammendment sucks
Open Source
Banned
Just because I say something is Constitutional doesn't mean that I say it's right.
In terms of "human rights", I think that blanket bans on practices that are quite reasonable in some cases are rarely good. What about the "human rights" of people who get stuck with a contraband shiv? How many uncomfortable strip searches is a human life worth?
Seraphinianus
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Open Source
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Right. And the SC did not prevent strip searches from being banned. They simply preserved the legality of strip searches in cases where the local government determines it to be reasonable.
Of course, other cases could present more of a challenge - for example, if the law was applied inequally based on race or some other factor, there could be a lawsuit based on the 14th amendment.
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