Kanye West - Monster

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Acid08 said:
Fuck the haters, I like Jays verse.
Cosign.

Also, why did we need a new thread for this instead of keeping it in a KanyeGAF thread?

Now were just going to relive 200-300 posts of Jay verse arguments again, in a different thread.
 
Souldriver said:
When people are talking about how Jay Z sucks, are they talking about what he says, or how he says it?

For this song at least, his verse was horrible. The monster checklist followed by "what do all these things have in common? Everybody knows I'm a mf'ing monster." Get out of here with that mess. Then there was looooooove...

For real I was like "Oh shit, he's gonna say what his weakness is, I bet it's gonna be bitches. Nah it can't be bitches, Jay is a genius. He wouldn't say that, he's a genius" So I'm sitting there with bated breath *pause* then he goes one about he doesn't get enough love :lol

Also, either the mastering is horrible or Jay just wasn't loud enough. He isn't exactly known to get loud or hype but he sounds especially drowned out on this track.

When I heard the track name I was expecting some crazy mind blowing shit, but it's like the all phoned it in (except Nicki who rapped her ass off, wack as she is). I was expecting at least a modicum of creativity. So much more could have been done.

I think most people have a grievance with this verse specifically, at least I do. I liked him in So Appalled, not as much as Pusha but he was up there.
 
At least we can all agree this should've been a So Appalled video instead.

Oh and I still think Nickis verse was the weakest. The entire first half of the verse is typically nonsensical and whack with that stupid Jamaican accent she tries. She only picks up the slack in the second half. Half of a verse doesn't make it a great verse. Oh and she still insists on doing the retarded flurry of accents and voices through it all. Which is beyond annoying.
 
Souldriver said:
I don't like the song at all.

Same here. The hype surrounding this song was crazy. When I heard it I had to double-check my phone to make sure I was playing the right song. In fact, Dark Fantasy is pretty much the only song I give repeat listens to off the whole album.
 
toasty_T said:
For this song at least, his verse was horrible. The monster checklist followed by "what do all these things have in common? Everybody knows I'm a mf'ing monster."
This part I actually agree with. I've always thought he should follow that line up with "I'm a m'fing goblin" but he used it in the checklist.

I really liked the song regardless. Coulda been more, yeah.
 
Vik_Vaughn said:
Same here. The hype surrounding this song was crazy. When I heard it I had to double-check my phone to make sure I was playing the right song. In fact, Dark Fantasy is pretty much the only song I give repeat listens to off the whole album.
Well, to be fair, I just don't "get" rap music, so my opinion (or lack thereof) isn't worth much.

It's a music genre that does nothing for me. I don't hear what people hear in that kind of music, let alone that I would be able to point out what's so good or bad about it. That's why I asked if it are the lyrics or the actual rapping of Jay Z that people don't like. I honestly wouldn't be able to tell. Something would have to be either really atrocious or exceptionally beautiful for me to hear it. Half the time I can't even make out exactly how many people contribute to a track on MBDTF. :lol But I think everybody has a genre that they don't "get", and therefore are unable to comment on what's good or bad about it.

Kanye West is the only rapper that interests me, because he makes his music interesting for the people who normally aren't into rap either. The music itself is often beautiful, with well chosen samples, and he often has guest singers in his songs. I love Rihanna's part in All of the Lights, I love John Legends parts in Blame Game, ... The actual rapping of Kanye is sort of "track filler" for me. It doesn't annoy me or anything, but it adds nothing to the track either. So while I can't comment on his rapping abilities, I can say that the guy knows how to make good music.

Thanks toasty_T for the explanation btw.
 
bdizzle said:
I'd eat nikki's asshole out before a colonoscopy
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Discotheque said:
And Jay Z in So Appalled > Kanye in the same song. Eaaaasily. Pusha T wrecks them both though.

I used to think the same thing, but Jay-Z spits some real shit on So Appalled. Pusha just kinda brags the whole time.
I get hype everytime I hear Jay's first. Soogoood.gif
 
Since people are now talking about So Appalled, why isn't anyone mentioning how retarded RZA's appearance on that track is?
 
winter said:
Since people are now talking about So Appalled, why isn't anyone mentioning how retarded RZA's appearance on that track is?

So retarded. But the worst feature goes to Fergie, of course, and then Elton John. Why is he even on AOTL?
Anyway, its like people forget WHY Jay-Z got to where he is right now. When you have such a stellar career, I think you should get a few passes here and there when it comes to bad verses. Its not like his verse is TERRIBAD. I actually like his Monster verse. The song sucks anyway, lets talk about So Appalled more.
 
I love Jay-Z, one of my favorites, but it's easy to see that he's definitely on a downward slope. I wish he'd just hang it up before he ends up like Snoop and rapping sub par verses on pop songs.
 
Pinko Marx said:
I don't think Jay will ever fall as far as Snoop.
I don't think so either. I'd like him to just hang it up while he's still on top. Everyone is noticing that every song he guests on that he's the weakest person on it.
 
Guys.

Jay-Z is richer than God.
He no longer has anything to rap about, in all seriousness.

He DOES have all the money he talks about, and all other rappers covet.
He DOES have the hottest chick in the game - and arguably in any game - wearing his chain.
He DOES have ownership of his own label and marketing company and clothing line - and unlike virtually every other person in his industry, they are ALL successful in all facets.
He DOES have part ownership of a professional sports team.
He IS still beloved by his hometown and can walk through his projects and his city.
He DID sell a squajillion records every time out since 1996. It is now 2011. That's FIFTEEN YEARS of top record sales, and only off of his own imprints and labels.
He DOES own his own masters, so he makes the money from all of his music.


He can't really rap about stuff he aspires to do, because he's done everything that any and all rappers ever aspired to do, and then some. He's already rapped with pretty much everyone ever and on every worthwhile producer's tracks, to varying degrees of success. The only thing he can do, in terms of rap, is try to avenge the permanent Ls he took from the only widely-accepted living persons in his contemporary tier of rapping proficiency - Nas (Ether, the ultimate beef track) and Eminem (Renegade, got murked on his own track).

So basically, he's just bored like Snoop Dogg.
And honestly, it makes sense...I mean, he's almost 40 too. You can't really be talking about certain things or coming hard as a rapper about certain things when you could be the fathers - and in some cases, grandfathers - of people who are currently in the game with him.


In short, Jay-Z lost. Forever.
 
Pinko Marx said:
So retarded. But the worst feature goes to Fergie, of course, and then Elton John. Why is he even on AOTL?
Anyway, its like people forget WHY Jay-Z got to where he is right now. When you have such a stellar career, I think you should get a few passes here and there when it comes to bad verses. Its not like his verse is TERRIBAD. I actually like his Monster verse. The song sucks anyway, lets talk about So Appalled more.
You didn't like the Elton John feature? I mean I'd hate if he botched it, but that feature is well implemented.

@captmcblack Jay lost forever but it's only cause his mafia raps are getting stale, where Nas and plenty others can outshine him with consistently good verses, where Jay still raps about himself being at some unreachable height of talent and greatness. I don't get why the fuck Jay doesn't do verses like the one on the Power remix. Okay it's not Jay going as hard as he can but he's making sense and talking about stuff that matters. Yes it's not the typical Jay flow either, but even though some verses with him dropping knowledge seem like Jay getting his shit together, it's way too easy for him to fall back into his talking shit raps because he still makes a buck off of that.
 
Jay Z does suck, but this was not worth a thread.

But with that cancerous twat Nicki Minaaj on Monster, everyone else automatically has a stellar verse by comparison.
 
for the record the song's production is truly stellar. the low dB level woodwinds in the verses, the drum mix/arrangement is wonderful, and the bass.. : )
 
What do these things have in common:
  • Sasquatch
  • Godzilla
  • King Kong
  • Loch Ness
  • Goblin
  • Ghoul
  • A zombie with no conscience
 
siddx said:
Jay Z does suck, but this was not worth a thread.

But with that cancerous twat Nicki Minaaj on Monster, everyone else automatically has a stellar verse by comparison.
You do realize Kanye helped her write that verse, right?
 
chris121580 said:
You do realize Kanye helped her write that verse, right?

I am aware that plenty of people help her out, essentially giving her their throw away lyrics for her to butcher.
 
tarius1210 said:
Guys, chill with the Nicki hate.

lol how about no. This thread if about monster, she is in this song, she should be talked about. Fuck Nicki Minaaj, she is garbage and ruined and otherwise great song.
 
siddx said:
lol how about no. This thread if about monster, she is in this song, she should be talked about. Fuck Nicki Minaaj, she is garbage and ruined and otherwise great song.
I respect what Nicki has accomplished and how far she's got.

But I fucking hate what she represent and the absolutely atrocious sounds that come out of her mouth. Oh and that she's another Young Money member making it cool to rap nonsense without any skill at all. Bedrock was fucking horrible and I cringe every time I hear it.
 
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