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Karl Marx was completely correct.

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StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
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Being a terribly nerdy philosophy major, obscure little philosophical in-jokes are something that delight me to no end.. (my personal favorites being 'you cant promise to quit smoking next week because you cant speak for another person' and 'Berkley died because his girlfriend stopped seeing him', but I digress)...

In any case, this particular quote has been my signiture on my e-mail for a few years, my away message on AIM, and a quote that just pops in my head sometimes and makes me laugh. Its a bit funnier if you understand what Marx is reffering to, but that would take far too long, and its still a great quote. I really dont believe that truer words have ever been spoken.

"When Hegel said all things happen twice, he forgot to mention they happen first as tragedy and second as farce."

This quote applies to so many great things, W's presidency compared to his fathers.. and in a year and a half dubyas new war with Iran amidst tax cuts, budgetary problems and a near 3rd world economy should provide for some really good laughs.

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AntoneM

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the truly sad thing is that there are Marxists (the extremists) that want Bush to win simply because they think that he will force the proles into revolution.... so, some do think Marx was (wil be) right.

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Ned Flanders

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ErasureAcer

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max_cool said:
the truly sad thing is that there are Marxists (the extremists) that want Bush to win simply because they think that he will force the proles into revolution.... so, some do think Marx was (wil be) right.

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If Bush does win(i.e steal the election)...the proles will have no part of the revolution...but a good 25-30 million Americans will be starting one.
 
ToyMachine228

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What Karl Marx imagined as communism, is totally different from the communism that we see today, and saw in countries like the USSR. Seriously, Marx had much better ideas of government that the people who attempted to pull it off.
 
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Dilbert

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StoOgE said:
"When Hegel said all things happen twice, he forgot to mention they happen first as tragedy and second as farce."
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That's really funny, and a quote from Marx I hadn't heard before. Thanks for sharing!

As for the other mouth-breathers in this thread who don't know a thing about Marx...sad, sad, sad.
 
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White Man

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As for the other mouth-breathers in this thread who don't know a thing about Marx...sad, sad, sad.
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Seriously. I can't believe people are STILL so steeped in anti-communist thought that they're willing to call any idea Marx had bad, or to call him the worst sociologist ever. Damn. Read the man. You'd probably be rather surprised. Every post-Marx philosopher worth his salt has been inspired by him.
 
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3rdman

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Yeah, far too often people confuse Communism with Stalism or Facism. BTW, I've never read too much Marx, what does that quote refer to?
 
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Zaptruder

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I should really read up on Marx one day...

but without doing the specifics, the impressions marxism gives me is that, it's all good and well... but it relies too heavily on the people been relatively smart and unselfish...

am I wrong or right? :p
 
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Socreges

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Zaptruder said:
I should really read up on Marx one day...

but without doing the specifics, the impressions marxism gives me is that, it's all good and well... but it relies too heavily on the people been relatively smart and unselfish...

am I wrong or right? :p
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Absolutely right, imo. You can't put people in power over a communist state and expect them to always perform for the greater good. And even if abolishing the state is ever appropriate, you can't expect people to forfeit such privelege.

I haven't read Marx in a very long time, so I may be a little off base.
 
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White Man

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That could be the flaw in marxism. Others would point out that Mark probably knew what other people were like, and he just thought his system of ideas would by a powerful catalyst for widespread cultural and moralistic imporvements and changes. I increasingly find myself in that group of people. If Marx (and Engels) were intelligent enough to come up with the system, they were likely intelligent enough to know that a) The common denomicator isn't intelligent and b) The common denominator generally isn't someone you could trust.

Another reason this is likely true is that Marxism, as presented in the Communist Manifesto, is reliant on at least one sort of wide social renewal as described above. Marx's communism was a transitional state from an economical and idealogical point of view. One such grand change would lead us from capitalism into communism/marxism, and another would lead us from communism/marxism into some sort of golden, perfect government. I forget the details at this point. Politics isn't my game -- philosophy of necessary evils. Bad stuff.
 
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As for the other mouth-breathers in this thread who don't know a thing about Marx...sad, sad, sad.
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While I agree with you on the point of people assuming bad things about Marx... I also must chide you for assuming bad things about mouth breathers. The mouth is a much bigger orifice; it has a much bigger... "air bandwidth".
 
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Hitokage

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One major flaw in Marxism is the assumption that human nature is as malleable as Marx hoped. Another is that he didn't forsee socialist reforms taking the place of an outright revolution.
 
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White Man

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ToyMachine228 said:
Communism is not equal to Marxism
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I know this, but sometimes when I have to refer to marxism in the same sentence as Marx himself, I'll refer to it as communism/marxism, just because I dislike too much repetition.
 
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