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Kick them while they're down? Canada sends in the fleet

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Apparently, even when the US doesn't ask for help, some will show up anyway.

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1125681799234_121090999?hub=topstories

Canada sending four ships to Louisiana: Graham

CTV.ca News Staff

Defence Minister Bill Graham has announced that Ottawa is sending three Canadian warships and a coast guard vessel packed with relief supplies to the hurricane-ravaged U.S. Gulf Coast.

Graham said the destroyer, HMCS Athabaskan, and two frigates, HMCS Ville de Quebec and HMCS Toronto, are being readied for deployment and should leave Halifax in three or four days. They will be accompanied by the CCGS Sir William Alexander.

It will take another three to four days before the ships arrive in the Gulf of Mexico.

Organizers of the mission, dubbed Operation Union, said the ships are expected to provide humanitarian aid, along with divers, and engineering expertise for reconstruction.

As well, three Sea King helicopters will be sent to ferry personnel into the devastated areas.

Commodore Dean McFadden, who will command the deployment, said they were discussing with their American counterparts what their role will be during the expected month-long mission.

He thought their duties will involve reconstruction, health care and humanitarian aid.

"We will have the capacity to move people. We'll have the capacity to bring medical supplies and fuel capabilities,'' McFadden said as he stood on the dock next to destroyer HMCS Athabaskan, the command and control ship for the mission.

"The specific jobs we're going to do, I'll wait until the Americans tell us what help they need.''

Earlier, Prime Minister Paul Martin told reporters in Saskatoon that "whatever aid is required [Canada] will provide it."

The prime minister rejected the suggestion that Canada has been slow to react to the growing crisis.

"We're not waiting to be asked for help," Martin told reporters at a pancake breakfast commemorating Saskatchewan's centennial celebration.

"We're waiting to be told how our aid can best be directed.

"The Americans have said to us, 'Listen we're not in a position to take this. We have to set up coordinating bodies.' Once they are set up, we will be able to do it. But for us just to land there in the midst of a lot of chaos really wouldn't do anybody any good."

Ottawa is also responding on another front.

Martin announced Friday that Canada will increase oil exports as requested by the International Energy Agency.

"Our goal will be to help stabilize the existing situation but not in any way that will impose any diminishing supply for Canadians," Martin said.

If the other 26 member countries do the same they will help stabilize the world market in the wake of the storm, which badly damaged the U.S. Gulf Coast oil supply.

Martin said he had consulted with the province and oil companies before making his decision.

He said the aid effort won't result in a shortage in Canada.

Canadian drivers have been hammered at the gas pumps in recent days due to energy price spikes cause by the hurricane.
 
I would say Canada's response has been good generally. I think the people complaining about slow response are arguing to the wrong people. The public has been generally supportive and sympathetic to the US. Granted there are some people, mostly the hard-core America haters who seem to relish the tragedy right now. The National Post needs to call those people out and not make blanket attacks on the government.
 
Damn straight, Canada flexing its muscles! You're gonna take our aid, and yer gonna like it, Yanks!

Calling it a "fleet" being somewhat generous, of course ;)

Oh, shit, wait:

As well, three Sea King helicopters will be sent to ferry personnel into the devastated areas.

Attention stranded Americans! If you see these things flying in to rescue you, do not allow them to take you! You'll be safer on the ground.
 
Boogie said:
Damn straight, Canada flexing its muscles! You're gonna take our aid, and yer gonna like it, Yanks!

Calling it a "fleet" being somewhat generous, of course ;)

Oh, shit, wait:



Attention stranded Americans! If you see these things flying in to rescue you, do not allow them to take you! You'll be safer on the ground.

if it looks like a sea king of course!
 
Attention stranded Americans! If you see these things flying in to rescue you, do not allow them to take you! You'll be safer on the ground.

A letter to the editor on National Posts' Friday edition suggested Canada send its Sea Kings to the States so they could be dropped into the holes to plug the leaks on the levy.
 
Deku said:
A letter to the editor on National Posts' Friday edition suggested Canada send its Sea Kings to the States so they could be dropped into the holes to plug the leaks on the levy.
:lol Yeah, but then they'd probably explode.
 
Deku said:
A letter to the editor on National Posts' Friday edition suggested Canada send its Sea Kings to the States so they could be dropped into the holes to plug the leaks on the levy.

:lol :lol :lol
 
You could say that.

As the Sea Kings' air frames, engines and avionics systems aged over their years of service in the RCN, and later AIRCOM, they became increasingly unreliable and harder to maintain. Twelve have crashed, killing ten personnel. Each Sea King now requires over 30 hours of maintenance for every hour of flying time, a figure described by the Canadian Naval Officers Association as 'grossly disproportionate'/
In late 2003 the entire fleet was grounded (except for essential operations) for several weeks after two aircraft coincidentally lost power within a few days of each other.
The link goes on to explain the political bullshit surrounding replacements for the Sea King, but that's really the gist of how unreliable they are.
 
Boogie said:
Attention stranded Americans! If you see these things flying in to rescue you, do not allow them to take you! You'll be safer on the ground.

That made me spit out my juice :lol :lol
 
That's just how Canucks roll, bitch.

America, remember this when we need help fighting back anyone that can overwhelm our military-like four guys with guns, or a bear.
 
Hopefully, they will have some canadian beer in their supplies because frankly, american beer just doesnt cut it. We will save you!
 
Lemurnator said:
Didn't Canada used to have one of the biggest Navy's in the world? The British Navy or something?


That's one of the great shames of modern Canada. Post-WWII, our Armed forces were quite formidable. Since then, we've let our military capability wither away to virtually nothing.
 
Holy crap, the Sea Kings are that bad? I hope they've stopped making them and have adopted the use of some other model of aircraft.
 
Fatghost28 said:
That's one of the great shames of modern Canada. Post-WWII, our Armed forces were quite formidable. Since then, we've let our military capability wither away to virtually nothing.

I'll agree with that.

Edit: of course millitary capability is built on tax revenue *hint hint*
 
Azih said:
I'll agree with that.

Edit: of course millitary capability is built on tax revenue *hint hint*

Pfft...don't you know that the Conservatives can improve Health Care, increase military spending, invent a new and better system for preventing global warming from spreading than Kyoto, all by simply getting rid of the apparent waste by the Liberal government, while also lowering taxes? Like, duh!
 
GaimeGuy said:
Holy crap, the Sea Kings are that bad? I hope they've stopped making them and have adopted the use of some other model of aircraft.
While the Wikipedia article I linked is rather biased, it does have some good information on that very point, heh.
 
Lemurnator said:
Didn't Canada used to have one of the biggest Navy's in the world? The British Navy or something?

There isn't really a need for Canada to have a huge nonstanding miliatary. If there is another total war conflict, they can ramp up a miliatary. The US and Canada have multiple shared defense treaties.
 
Memles said:
Pfft...don't you know that the Conservatives can improve Health Care, increase military spending, invent a new and better system for preventing global warming from spreading than Kyoto, all by simply getting rid of the apparent waste by the Liberal government, while also lowering taxes? Like, duh!

Well what has really weakened the Conservative Party is the fact that it still has remnants of the Reform Party...who's only policy on issues were "let's do the exact opposite of the Liberals" and it led to them opposing ANYTHING the Liberals did.

So I wonder how they'll react to this.

Wait, I shouldn't be wondering, it'll be more of an "I told you so" when it comes to the SeaKings.
 
Lemurnator said:
Didn't Canada used to have one of the biggest Navy's in the world? The British Navy or something?

Actually as of the end of WWII, Canada did have a really large navy. I'm not sure of the rank but my understanding is somewhere around the 3rd or 4th largest. Really, if you think about it, it was one of the best ways for us to contribute to the war given our ready access to great naval port locations on both coasts. We had several aircraft carriers (3 I think?) and a lot of smaller ships.

http://www.warmuseum.ca/cwm/newspapers/canadawar/royalnavy_e.html
 
Memles said:
Pfft...don't you know that the Conservatives can improve Health Care, increase military spending, invent a new and better system for preventing global warming from spreading than Kyoto, all by simply getting rid of the apparent waste by the Liberal government, while also lowering taxes? Like, duh!

See, now you're getting it! Except, you forgot that global warming doesn't exist/is made up by dirty hippies/is a natural part of the Earth's changing climate throughout the ages.

:D

Seriously though - the Liberals DO waste a lot of money, the military does need more money, taxes are too high.

One thing that really bothers me right now is the massive surplus the federal goverment is sitting on because sky rocketing gas prices. This money is going to be dumped into the general revenue and Paul Martin will use it to buy votes, instead of using it where it would be appropriate, ie: encouraging infrastructure shifts and individual consumers towards alternative fuels.
 
I'd say the current level of taxation is fine, just Paul Martin has this crazy obsession with paying down debt when there are a million different better ways to use that money (read: not wasting it on tax cuts either)
 
Interests on the debt takes a third of the Canadian budget. I say lessen that burden before the good times are gone. Not exclusively, but significantly so. Otherwise another round of cuts will be in order eventually.
 
Fatghost28 said:
See, now you're getting it! Except, you forgot that global warming doesn't exist/is made up by dirty hippies/is a natural part of the Earth's changing climate throughout the ages.

:D

Seriously though - the Liberals DO waste a lot of money, the military does need more money, taxes are too high.

One thing that really bothers me right now is the massive surplus the federal goverment is sitting on because sky rocketing gas prices. This money is going to be dumped into the general revenue and Paul Martin will use it to buy votes, instead of using it where it would be appropriate, ie: encouraging infrastructure shifts and individual consumers towards alternative fuels.

I find it humourous that they're still gonna keep the deficit tax on gasoline which was created to help reduce it, when Canada hasn't had a deficit in almost a decade. And they say they don't want to get rid of that or reduce the GST at the pumps because the gas companies will just make up that difference themselves anyway. What they should say is that we like making that extra tax money, and it doesn't matter how you dumb twats feel about it because you're gonna vote us back in for the next 20 years anyway! At least it would be honest, not to mention less insulting to my intelligence. Then again, when has honesty been a guiding principle in Canadian politics?
 
Paying down debt is fine, and a priniciple I usually always agree with, but in this case, the high gas costs could seriously choke the economy in the short and medium terms and this would have a bigger impact than slowing down government debt reduction.


Reducing the tax on gasoline would only help in the short term since gas prices will just creep up anyway. The money needs to be spent in other ways to reduce the impact. Either through tax credit incentives to encourage us to switch to hybrids or alternative fuel sources or building new infrastructure to make trains more effective and useful for transportation of goods to reduce the number of trucks on the road and improved public transit so it actually becomes an option. (Public transit in Toronto is a joke and virtually is non existant in the rest of Ontario outside of sporadic buses and the odd Go-train station).
 
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