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Koch brothers were raised by Nazis

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Jackpot

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First off the claims are from a book, "Dark Money: The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right", but the authors are a veteran investigative reporter and a writer from the New Yorker, and they use sources and direct quotes.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-the-koch-brothers-and-a-rightwing-revolution

The father of these famous right-wing billionaires was Fred Koch, who started his fortune with $500,000 received from Stalin for his assistance constructing 15 oil refineries in the Soviet Union in the 1930s. A couple of years later, his company, Winkler-Koch, helped the Nazis complete their third-largest oil refinery. The facility produced hundreds of thousands of gallons of high-octane fuel for the Luftwaffe, until it was destroyed by Allied bombs in 1944.

In 1938, the patriarch wrote that “the only sound countries in the world are Germany, Italy and Japan”. To make sure his children got the right ideas, he hired a German nanny. The nanny was such a fervent Nazi that when France fell in 1940, she resigned and returned to Germany. After that, Fred became the main disciplinarian, whipping his children with belts and tree branches.

Twenty years after collaborating with the Nazis, Fred Koch lost none of his taste for extremism. In 1958 he was one of the 11 original members of the John Birch Society, an organization which accused scores of prominent Americans, including President Dwight Eisenhower, of communist sympathies.

In 1960, Koch wrote that “the colored man looms large in the Communist plan to take over America”. He strongly supported the movement to impeach chief justice Earl Warren, after the supreme court voted to desegregate public schools in Brown v Board of Education. His sons became Birchers too, although Charles was more enamored of “antigovernment economic writers” than communist conspiracies.

The rest of the article focuses on the history of the US right-wing, but if you ever wanted an insight into what drives one of the biggest private influences influences in politics, there it is.
 
Koch brothers are bad news, especially frightening is how much control and influence they posses of the conservative party. I mean the Scott Walker prank call with a guy pretending to be one of the brothers is pretty ugly, in the corrupt sens.
 

gdt

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It's hard to blame the sons for the sins of the father, but it certainly provides some context for their own sins.
 

Lubricus

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Lots of folks in the USA thought Hitler, Mussolini,etc was OK before the Pearl Harbor attack.
From 1998 WP article:
The Ford Motor Co. has mobilized dozens of historians, lawyers and researchers to fight a civil case brought by lawyers in Washington and New York who specialize in extracting large cash settlements from banks and insurance companies accused of defrauding Holocaust victims. Also, a book scheduled for publication next year will accuse General Motors Corp. of playing a key role in Hitler's invasions of Poland and the Soviet Union.

"General Motors was far more important to the Nazi war machine than Switzerland," said Bradford Snell, who has spent two decades researching a history of the world's largest automaker. "Switzerland was just a repository of looted funds. GM was an integral part of the German war effort. The Nazis could have invaded Poland and Russia without Switzerland. They could not have done so without GM."

Both General Motors and Ford insist that they bear little or no responsibility for the operations of their German subsidiaries, which controlled 70 percent of the German car market at the outbreak of war in 1939 and rapidly retooled themselves to become suppliers of war materiel to the German army.

But documents discovered in German and American archives show a much more complicated picture. In certain instances, American managers of both GM and Ford went along with the conversion of their German plants to military production at a time when U.S. government documents show they were still resisting calls by the Roosevelt administration to step up military production in their plants at home.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/nov98/nazicars30.htm

Lots of folks in the USA thought/think the John Birch Society was OK.

Its just politics like the folks in the USA who admired Stalin.
Historian Paul Kengor writes, "Paul Robeson Sr. was an unflagging admirer of Joseph Stalin, one of the most prolific killers in history. It was this that brought Robeson under congressional scrutiny in the 1930s when the Democrats ran Congress, the White House, and the attorney general’s office—long before Joe McCarthy emerged on the scene. Even the New York Times once called Robeson 'an outspoken admirer of the Soviet Union.' He was dedicated to the Communist Party USA goal of fundamentally transforming America into a 'Soviet American Republic.'"

In 1934 Robeson and his wife Eslanda Goode visited the Soviet Union, where they encountered William Patterson, a leader of the American Communist Party. The Robesons also met with two of Eslanda's brothers, John and Frank Goode, who had decided they preferred life under Joseph Stalin to life in America. Said Robeson of his stay in the USSR: "Here, for the first time, I walk in human dignity." He soon became a dedicated Stalinist, the first world-renowned performer to become a political activist during the peak years of his show business career.
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In 1948 Robeson worked for the presidential campaign of Progressive Party candidate Henry Wallace, who had served in the cabinet of President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

During a concert tour of the USSR in 1949, Robeson learned of Stalin’s planned liquidation of Soviet Jews (a liquidation that would aborted by Stalin’s death in 1953). He asked to see with the imprisoned (and soon-to-be-executed) Russian Yiddish poet Itzhak Feffer, who he had met in the United States six years earlier. When Robeson saw Feffer -- in a room bugged with Soviet government listening devices -- Feffer, without speaking aloud, drew his fingers across his throat, indicating that he and others would soon be murdered (which they were).

Robeson chose not to tell anyone about Feffer's fate or what he had learned about Soviet anti-Semitism, since to do so would have hurt the Soviet cause in the Cold War. Upon returning to America, he told the press that he had seen Feffer in good condition; that he had seen "Jewish people [living freely] all over the place"; that he had heard "not one word about" Soviet anti-Semitism; and that the rumors of Yiddish writers being executed were utterly false. He did not even tell his comrades in the American Communist Party what he knew of the USSR's treatment of Jews.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1544
 
Should the title not be "raised by a Nazi"?

It's not like the entirety of the 3rd Reich had a helping hand.

It's like these guys had much of a choice either.
 

ahoyhoy

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benjipwns

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Koch brothers are bad news, especially frightening is how much control and influence they posses of the conservative party.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/charles-koch-2016-presidential-race-217499
Charles Koch is “disappointed” with the line-up of Republican candidates in the 2016 cycle, and is surprised by the lack of influence he and his brother have wielded so far.

In an interview with the Financial Times, the billionaire businessman and philanthropist, said he’ll eventually support a candidate who he agrees with on some things, but that it’s hard to get excited. He said a list presented to all the candidates about the Kochs' political arm's priorities “doesn’t seem to faze them much. You’d think we could have more influence.”

“It is hard for me to get a high level of enthusiasm because the things I’m passionate about and I think this country urgently needs aren’t being addressed,” he said.

Koch also bashed the candidates currently leading the Republican field — Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and businessman Donald Trump. Koch said that if Trump was successful with his proposal to require all Muslims entering the U.S. to register with the government, then “well, then you destroy our free society.”

“Who is it that said, ‘If you want to defend your liberty, the first thing you’ve got to do is defend the liberty of people you like the least’?” he continued.

Koch then went on to attack Cruz’s proposal to carpet-bomb ISIL. “I’ve studied revolutionaries a lot,” he said. “Mao said that the people are the sea in which the revolutionary swims. Not that we don’t need to defend ourselves and have better intelligence and all that, but how do we create an unfriendly sea for the terrorists in the Muslim communities? We haven’t done a good job of that.”

Koch said that there are 1.6 billion Muslims worldwide and asked, what “are we going to do: go bomb each one of them?”
 

poppabk

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Should the title not be "raised by a Nazi"?

It's not like the entirety of the 3rd Reich had a helping hand.

It's like these guys had much of a choice either.
Well it doesn't sound like the father was a Nazi either. So 'raised by a man with links to the Nazis'. Although the dates are fairly vague, so it's possible that the refinery was built before ww2 started. So maybe 'raised by a man who had business dealings with people who would later become nazis'.
 

benjipwns

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Hillary Clinton ally David Brock is taking his trolling of the Koch brothers to new levels, transmitting digital messages about David Koch’s family's alleged Nazi ties inside Koch’s apartment building in Manhattan.

Starting Tuesday, residents of 740 Park Avenue — the luxury apartment building of David Koch and many other elites — and visitors of other locations tied to the Koch brothers will receive geo-targeted Twitter and Facebook ads attacking the family for reported historical ties to Nazi Germany.

The animated gif shows the faces of both Charles and David Koch and bears the message, “The Kochs’ father built a Nazi oil refinery that was personally approved by Adolf Hitler.”
The Bridge Project attack ads “target influencers in New York, Washington, DC, and across the country, with particular targeting to 740 Park Avenue in New York City, Koch Plaza at the Met, the Koch Theater at Lincoln Center, and the Koch Dinosaur Wing at the American Museum of Natural History,” says a source familiar with the buy.
"It’s shocking that the Kochs’ fortune has roots in Nazi Germany — and that they've tried to hide it,” said Eddie Vale, the vice president of the anti-Koch group.
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richiek

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Should the title not be "raised by a Nazi"?

It's not like the entirety of the 3rd Reich had a helping hand.

It's like these guys had much of a choice either.

According to the article, their nanny was a hardcore Nazi sympathizer.
 
Should the title not be "raised by a Nazi"?

It's not like the entirety of the 3rd Reich had a helping hand.

It's like these guys had much of a choice either.

Yeah we don't need Nazis referenced with people who bring up the Koch brothers too.

Pro Tip: If you talk about the Koch brothers to people who don't follow politics you sound crazy.
 

benjipwns

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That's not all, they were also raised by Stalin himself:
Koch found work in the Soviet Union. In the nineteen-thirties, his company trained Bolshevik engineers and helped Stalin’s regime set up fifteen modern oil refineries. Over time, however, Stalin brutally purged several of Koch’s Soviet colleagues. Koch was deeply affected by the experience, and regretted his collaboration. He returned to the U.S. In the headquarters of his company, Rock Island Oil & Refining, in Wichita, he kept photographs aimed at proving that some of those Soviet refineries had been destroyed in the Second World War. Gus diZerega, a former friend of Charles Koch, recalled, “As the Soviets became a stronger military power, Fred felt a certain amount of guilt at having helped build them up. I think it bothered him a lot.”
 

Sulik2

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Lots of people in the 1930s worked with Nazi Germany and the USSR, this needs historical context. It's not unusual at all.
 
I tend not to judge someone based off how they were raised. Many people with deplorable parents have lived wonderful lives. Koch brothers can't even be considered corrupt as today's campaign finance laws allow for their fund raising methods. Which is why campaign finance reform is my #1 issue.

Koch brothers are bad news, especially frightening is how much control and influence they posses of the conservative party. I mean the Scott Walker prank call with a guy pretending to be one of the brothers is pretty ugly, in the corrupt sens.

I'm not a fan of either Walker or Koch, but I would hardly consider that call a smoking gun as evidence of corruption. Walker was in full politician mode trying to appease a major supporte, not having a frank discussion with true insider.
 

Chariot

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You'd think someone would have taken care of these guys.
Bernie Sanders works against them for quite some time now. He is regularily speaking against them and appeared in a documentsry about them. He usually calls them out first when he talks about the one tenth of one percent.

Lots of people in the 1930s worked with Nazi Germany and the USSR, this needs historical context. It's not unusual at all.
American sure love to forget that their anchestors were actually on good terms with the nazi regime for a whole while.
 

Quixzlizx

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I didn't mean to say that every american was nazi positive. Just that more were positive to than one would like to confess nowadays. Again, up to a certain point.

I'm well aware that Henry Ford was a piece of shit. Luckily, America was smart enough not to succumb to him and his fascist buddies.
 

shoreu

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Koch brothers are bad news, especially frightening is how much control and influence they posses of the conservative party. I mean the Scott Walker prank call with a guy pretending to be one of the brothers is pretty ugly, in the corrupt sens.

I need a link.
 

Somnid

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So what? These guys are assholes by their actions. But only an asshole judges someone based on their upbringing (which they likely have no control over). It might be a factor to put things in context but if anything it should make them pitiable.
 

BajiBoxer

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/17/koch-brothers-book_n_5342694.html

In private, Fred Koch "ruled the house with an iron fist” and faith in social Darwinism. Schulman recounts how the former boxer encouraged his sons to fight each other, sometimes with horrifying results. "During one bout, Bill bashed his twin over the head with a polo mallet," Schulman writes. And "David still bears a scar from the time Bill pierced him in the back with a ceremonial sword." Those early lessons left a deep imprint on the brothers.

Pretty fucked up what they did to their older brother too:

Schulman describes how Charles, unable to convince brother Frederick to sell his stake in Koch Industries, allegedly resorted to "a homosexual blackmail attempt to force Frederick to sell his shares." And when the youngest twin, Bill, launched a bid to wrest control of Koch Industries from his older brothers, Charles' legal team responded by releasing a dossier of opposition research on Bill, filled with sordid details of his personal life.
 
The Brown vs Board of Education was a 9-0 decision, so I don't understand the purpose of supporting the movement to impeach chief justice Warren.
 
Wasn't most of Germany?

Nope. It's only possible to gauge from the last fair and democratic elections.

In the last democratic elections of Germany in 1932, in July 37% voted for NSDAP (i.e Nazi Party), 21% voted for SPD (Social democratic party), 14% for KPD (Communist party), 12% for Centre Party. (The rest were other smaller parties).

In November the same year elections had to be held again, NSDAP had in fact lost votes, 33% for NSDAP, 20% for SPD, 16% for KPD, 12% for Centre Party.

Remember that these are the 4 large parties numbers, the rest that make up are of other parties. As such, majority of Germans did not necessarily believe in Nazi ideals nor voted for the party. So while the Nazis got a lot of seats, they did not represent the majority of Germans. These were the last fair democratic elections in Germany one can gauge support of until the end of WW2.

After that the Machtergreifung in January 1933, elections of March 1933 took place, political killings, banning of other parties, attacks against the left etc. Nazis such as SS, brownshirts and such controlled society. This led to Hitler's total illegitimate rise to power as a dictator since he made it the only legal party in the country.
 

entremet

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Can't help who your parents were. Great thing the Kochs have been advocates of education and free societies.
 
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