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Kutaragi: PlayStation 3 "is not a game machine".
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thundersabre
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Yup.DarienA said:
Even the Famicom was the "Family Computer". This is nothing new, although it seems like both the PS3 and Xbox 360 will be striving more than previous mainstream consoles to really be more all-purpose machines...particularly the 360 (although I'm sure there are more details to come about the PS3).
Mihail said:
Next generation you should only buy a Revolution.
Shinobi said:
The Commodore 64 version of Telengard was so f'n cool... I remember the first time I came across a dragon in it and it breathed fire on my character... and they actually had sprites drawn to be fire coming out of the dragons mouth light up accompanied with a whoosing sound..... ah the memories...
Mihail said:
So you're saying there won't be plenty of games for the PS3? What's so bad if they can add functionality while taking no hit in gaming content? You simply get a better machine that does more with at least the same amount of games as past iterations. People seem to be afraid of some "home entertainment" spectre popping up and destroying the idea of a gaming console when such a thing doesn't even exist.
I mean, if they made this big box that you could use to go on the internet, type up documents, print them out, do your taxes, watch movies, listen to music, and play awesome games on, I'm sure everybody would want one!
VictimOfGrief
Banned
Well... GAF TO KUTARAGI.... WE'RE NOT A GAME MACHINE EITHER!!!
ToxicAdam said:
Well, Nintendo hasn't ever had a big stake in the home electronics industry outside of their consoles anyway. Both Sony and Microsoft (though the latter is more on the software application side) do and are thus better at and more prone to handling a set-top, all-in-one box.
See, you can't do it without taking a hit on gaming, though. It's been demonstrated throughout the history of electronics that dedicated devices perform better and are more reliable than all-in-one devices. I don't want to pay money for components I can't choose.
I want to choose my music player. I want to choose my DVD player. I want to choose my game console. I want to choose my server. I don't want someone to package them for me at my "convenience."
But don't flame me -- that's just the way I like it. Other consumers, many of them, enjoy to have their components chosen and combined for them.
I want to choose my music player. I want to choose my DVD player. I want to choose my game console. I want to choose my server. I don't want someone to package them for me at my "convenience."
But don't flame me -- that's just the way I like it. Other consumers, many of them, enjoy to have their components chosen and combined for them.
Doom_Bringer
Banned
Even the revolution plays DVDs! No next-gen console will be a 100% game machine, most of the other features they offer will be useless to me.
haha, now that's just stupid!
Mihail said:
haha, now that's just stupid!
they need to be careful. If they sell at a loss, they may have lots of machines that are not playing games, but just showing grannies pictures, or playing bluray stuff.
Fine if they want to help boost bluray/HD/sony DSCs, but how do they measure that and bring benefit to the SCE balance sheet?
Or do they hope to sell to grannies for photo slideshows, then sell more games because you already have a games machine under your TV without realising it?
If they sell at a profit due to the general 'entertainment' nature of the machine, in the traditional CE sense, then they get fucked over by gamers not buying it.
Fine if they want to help boost bluray/HD/sony DSCs, but how do they measure that and bring benefit to the SCE balance sheet?
Or do they hope to sell to grannies for photo slideshows, then sell more games because you already have a games machine under your TV without realising it?
If they sell at a profit due to the general 'entertainment' nature of the machine, in the traditional CE sense, then they get fucked over by gamers not buying it.
monchi-kun
Member
at the end of the day content sells hardware. it may not be a game-only machine but i'm sure a lot of SCE's profits will be derrived from Software sales.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
This old saw again. The axiom about dedicated devices totally misses one major factor-- that convergence devices generally do *one* thing just as well as specialty devices, and then add features which are not as good as dedicated devices. So, for instance, the PS2 is a fine gmae machine but a so-so DVD player. The DVD player did not detract from its ability to play games. Likewise, the PS3 and 360 are likely to be a so-so media centers, but great game players.
monchi-kun
Member
Pellham said:
i don't understand the paranoia either....i still technically control the livingroom...not Microsoft or Sony
mrklaw said:
Oh come on, we heard the same thing about PS2...it's obviously nonsense. The damn thing is going to be called PLAYstation 3...games are still going to be it's bread and better.
And someone will have to tell me how AIM messaging or movie playing takes away from the game playing function of a unit...
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
People won't buy the PS3 just because of the extra features, they are just a plus. People know PlayStation is primarily a game machine and they'll buy it primarily for that reason, but they'll use it for other things too. That's what Sony wants, and that's what Microsoft was so scared of, it stands to replace the PC as the center of the home.
Agent Icebeezy
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Azelover said:
I would think Intel would be more scared of this than MS would. I'm pretty sure they could adapt
Ash Housewares
The Mountain Jew
so not being a game machine they won't have to price competitively with other game machines?
But it detracts from the overall quality. That's why PS2 has a relatively high percentage of breakdowns.
And, wow, if you're not scared of someone monopolizing your living room, you are just playing into their hand. I'm not talking big brother stuff here; it's just simple consumer logistics. Sony's ideal goal is for you to have all your living room electronics under their brand, so they can be compatible only with each other and so they all depend on their memory sticks. By limiting consumer choice, they get to change prices and quality without following the supply/demand curve.
Less consumer choice is (almost*) never a good thing.
* The almost refers to art, such as movies, music, literature, visual art, and video games. I don't think consumers should have too much choice here because art should be an expression purely of the artist -- that way we can avoid stuff like XXX3: DMX's X-treme X-periment.
And, wow, if you're not scared of someone monopolizing your living room, you are just playing into their hand. I'm not talking big brother stuff here; it's just simple consumer logistics. Sony's ideal goal is for you to have all your living room electronics under their brand, so they can be compatible only with each other and so they all depend on their memory sticks. By limiting consumer choice, they get to change prices and quality without following the supply/demand curve.
Less consumer choice is (almost*) never a good thing.
* The almost refers to art, such as movies, music, literature, visual art, and video games. I don't think consumers should have too much choice here because art should be an expression purely of the artist -- that way we can avoid stuff like XXX3: DMX's X-treme X-periment.
Mihail said:
With that faulty logic, PC's should be breaking down all the time. And so should all the Magic Wagons with DVD players. :lol
BTW, I reckon PSX's broke down a lot more then PS2's, yet the only extra function it could do was play CD's. For that matter, what does PS2 really do above playing CD's and DVD's anyway? You can't use it to go online...even Dreamcast offered that out the box.
radioheadrule83
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seismologist
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Mihail said:
If you even read the article, it sounds like that's what they're trying to offer. A dedicated media center as opposed using a general purpose PC.
Roland Hood
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Shinobi said:
What the Jesus...
ROFL
Anyway, Kutaragi can say whatever he wants...I mean it's not like Trip Hawkins talking here.
WasabiKing
Member
So rather than hide behind their ulterior motive, they decided to be upfront about it. Even though this was the goal for both companies this generation. The goal want not entirely to take over your gaming wants, it was more to take over your living room.