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Lambda Legal slamdunks Blizzard's anit-gay guild policy.

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/breaking/wow-blizzard-gets-gay-rights-warning-153075.php

Excerpt:

Dear Mr. Mohaime and Mr. Rigole,

Lambda Legal is the nation’s oldest and largest organization dedicated to achieving full civil rights for lesbians, gay men, bisexuals, transgender persons, and people living with HIV through impact litigation, education and public policy work. We recently have been in contact with Greg Wu and Sara Andrews, who are customers of Blizzard Entertainment, regarding their concern that certain employees of Blizzard Entertainment have discriminated against World of Warcraft (“W.O.W.”) players based on their sexual orientation and/or gender identity.

As we understand it, on January 12, 2006 “Tirauka,” a senior account administrator with Blizzard, issued Ms. Andrews a warning claiming that Ms. Andrews’ public announcement of an LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) friendly gaming guild for W.O.W. players violated the W.O.W Harassment Policy. When Ms. Andrews asked how the mere mention of an LGBT-friendly guild could violate the W.O.W. Harassment Policy, Blizzard’s account administrator “Gorido” followed up with correspondence seeming to argue that because other players may choose to harass LGBT players, the mere mention of an LGBT-friendly guild violates the World of Warcraft terms of service.

Subsequent statements to the media made by Blizzard’s representatives seem to confirm that Blizzard’s official position is that LGBT gamers may not mention their sexual orientation or gender identity using the game’s chat functions. Blizzard’s online message boards include a post apparently issued by Blizzard stating, in pertinent part,

To promote a positive game environment for everyone and help prevent such harassment from taking place as best we can, we prohibit mention of topics related to sensitive real-world subjects in open chat within the game, and we do our best to take action whenever we see such topics being broadcast. This includes openly advertising a guild friendly to players based on a particular political, sexual, or religious preference, to list a few examples.

We are very concerned that Blizzard’s policy, as expressed in the foregoing statement, discriminates against LGBT gamers. Although preventing harassment is an admirable goal, a requirement that LGBT people remain invisible and silent is not an acceptable means of reaching that goal.

Mr. Wu is the guild leader of “Stonewall Champions,” the largest LGBT-friendly guild in W.O.W. Ms. Andrews is the guild leader of “Oz,” an LGBT-friendly guild on the Shadow Moon Server. As leaders of LGBT-friendly guilds, Mr. Wu and Ms. Andrews are both very concerned that Blizzard’s policy will hamper the guilds’ ability to provide a safe and supportive gaming environment.

We agree that World of Warcraft’s Harassment Policy, which clearly states that players may not refer to the sexual orientation of others in an “insulting manner,” is laudable and legal. Indeed, we applaud Blizzard’s efforts to create a congenial gaming atmosphere where people of all sexual orientations and gender identities can interact without fear of harassment or insult.

Although Blizzard is well within its rights to insist that players avoid referring to other gamers in an “insulting manner,” Blizzard cannot issue a blanket ban on any mention of sexual orientation or gender identity. There is nothing “insulting” about identifying oneself as gay, lesbian or transgender, nor does the announcement of a guild for LGBT gamers constitute “harassment” in any sense of the word. If other players react insultingly to the mere presence of LGBT gamers, then Blizzard should discipline the harassers, not attempt preemptively to silence the potential victims of harassment.

Online environments are public accommodations, subject to regulation as such. Butler v. Adoption Media, L.L.C., 2005 WL 1513142 (N.D.Cal.). Discrimination against LGBT individuals in the provision of public accommodations is clearly prohibited by California law. Id., see also, Cal. Civ. Code § 51 et seq. It has been so for more than fifty years. Stouman v. Reilly, 234 P.2d 969 (Cal. 1951). Insisting that LGBT persons not discuss their sexual orientation or gender identity can constitute discrimination under California law. Erdmann v. Tranquility Inc., 155 F.Supp.2d 1152 (N.D.Cal. 2001) (in which an employee who experienced a hostile environment at his workplace, including being instructed by a supervisor to “keep [his homosexuality] in the closet while he [was] at work,” stated a cause of action for employment discrimination); see also Gay Law Students v. Pacific Telephone & Telegraph, 595 P.2d 592 (1978) (same); Henkle v. Gregory, 150 F.Supp.2d 1067 (D.Nev.2001) (discussing students’ right to discuss their sexual orientation at school); Colin v. Orange Unified School District, 83 F.Supp.2d 1135 (C.D.Cal.2000) (addressing students’ right to use the word “gay” in the name of their school club).

In the few short years since the advent of multi-user dungeons, the world of online gaming has grown from a niche hobby enjoyed by a small community of enthusiasts to a phenomenon shared by millions. We understand that the rapid growth of the online environment has created challenges for companies like Blizzard, who are striving to ensure a civil and enjoyable experience for a large and diverse body of gamers. We hope that you will realize that silencing LGBT gamers, and requiring that they remain invisible to their fellows within the online gaming world, is not an acceptable means of advancing that end.

We understand that Blizzard has recently withdrawn its citation of Ms. Andrews for allegedly violating World of Warcraft’s harassment policy. An e-mail from “Thor Biafore,” the head of Blizzard’s customer service worldwide, acknowledges that the action taken against Ms. Andrews was based on an “unfortunate interpretation” of Blizzard’s current policies.

In order to avoid any similar incidents in the future, we ask that you inform all of Blizzard’s system administrators that they are not to discipline any players for mentioning or discussing sexual orientation or gender identity in a non-insulting fashion. We also ask that Blizzard confirm that LGBT-friendly guilds are allowed to announce their existence in the same manner as any other guilds. Of course, Lambda Legal would be more than happy to offer any advice we can to assist Blizzard in crafting a nondiscriminatory clarification of the terms of service for W.O.W., or in providing guidance to the administrators enforcing Blizzard’s anti-harassment guidelines. We ask that you respond within thirty days of the date of this letter to avoid the need for further action.

Very truly yours,


Brian Chase
Staff Attorney*

Jennifer C. Pizer
Senior Counsel

Proud of my OZ guildie Sara Andrews(Shimmre) on Shadow Moon for setting them straight, so to speak. ;)

For those not up on this, Blizzard declared that advertising a guild in General Chat as "glbt-friendly" was a bannable offense.
 
krypt0nian said:
What kind of dumbass question is that? The GLBT guilds care.

With Lambda Legal on it, Blizzard will soon care as well. :lol

And this only opens up more legal problems after they get their way. :p
 
blindrocket said:
It's a shame sexual orientation has to be involved with gaming.


It a real shame most gamers aren't tolerent enough so this needs to be something you advertise for.

GBLT friendly guilds are so you don't have the constant "FAG" shit in your guild.
 
Teh Hamburglar said:
This is going to destroy the very fabric of the gaming communities and families.


Those are my hopes and dreams realized. I welcome the weekly young boy sales, and Beatiality Wednesdays!
 
This is perhaps beyond the point, but I can't understand why "LGBT" people feel the need to clearly mention their sexual preferences so openly. Ok, you are gay, why are you telling me if there's nothing wrong with it? Should I be worried or something? Just get a gay guild name and play.
 
We have gays and gals in our guild, we handle it all in-house. Someone drops the F bomb or gets sexist they get warned, a few warnings proves you aren't right for our guild. To all my guildies credit we've only ever had to give a handful or warnings. We don't openly recruit members, but if we ever did we wouldn't bother mentioning the LBG acronym thing.
 
TTP said:
This is beyond the point, but I can't understand why "LGBT" people feel the need to clearly mention their sexual preferences so openly. Ok, you are gay, why are you telling me if there's nothing wrong with it? Should I be warried or something? Just get a gay guild name and play.

Right over your head. No one is mentioning that they are gay in the Guild recruitments. Merely that we are GLBT friendly, and that is the atmosphere you can expect in the Guild.

Fusebox said:
We have gays and gals in our guild, we handle it all in-house. Someone drops the F bomb or gets sexist they get warned, a few warnings proves you aren't right for our guild. To all my guildies credit we've only ever had to give a handful or warnings.


Cool. Hell the majority of OZ is straight. Not that it matters. What matters is that they respect their guildies.
 
krypt0nian said:
Right over your head. No one is mentioning that they are gay in the Guild recruitments. Merely that we are GLBT friendly, and that is the atmosphere you can expect in the Guild.

Ah ok. I didn't understand that by reading the article. Thanks.
 
krypt0nian said:
It a real shame most gamers aren't tolerent enough so this needs to be something you advertise for.

GBLT friendly guilds are so you don't have the constant "FAG" shit in your guild.

But then you make an organized spectacle of what you know others will go after you for. Instead of being a part of a guild that will have a couple of guys insult you, you're making an organized group that will attract negative attention via their "gay friendly" reputation. Online gamers skew towards immature asswipes, and that's exactly who's going to be a bigger problem after the public advertisement of such a group.

I understand where you're coming from, but you're choosing the wrong battlegrounds to fight on...this is pretty much the equivalent of hanging a sign that says "black friendly" on your house in the deep south around the first half of the century. :p
 
I have played many online games and not every guild says "fag" most guilds don't say that. I do not see the need of brining your sexual prefrence into a "virtual world".

Out of protest someone should make the "White Straight Male Guild"
 
Matlock said:
But then you make an organized spectacle of what you know others will go after you for. Instead of being a part of a guild that will have a couple of guys insult you, you're making an organized group that will attract negative attention via their "gay friendly" reputation. Online gamers skew towards immature asswipes, and that's exactly who's going to be a bigger problem after the public advertisement of such a group.

I understand where you're coming from, but you're choosing the wrong battlegrounds to fight on. :p


That never happened in game though. We play with the guild and guilds friendly with us. We cannot control the behavior of others, and frankly those that would hate on us would have done that regardless.

The only attention we were getting was the kind we were asking for: likeminded guildies.

Ulairi said:
I have played many online games and not every guild says "fag" most guilds don't say that. I do not see the need of brining your sexual prefrence into a "virtual world".

Out of protest someone should make the "White Straight Male Guild"


Again, we are not the "gay guild" But you would have known that if you'd bother to read the thread. But that wasn't your agenda.
 
Ulairi said:
I do not see the need of brining your sexual prefrence into a "virtual world".

Because people feel the need to act childish in the virtual world. So to get around that people create these guilds so they don't have to deal with that shit. I don't see the problem with it.
 
krypt0nian said:
That never happened in game though. We play with the guild and guilds friendly with us. We cannot control the behavior of others, and frankly those that would hate on us would have done that regardless.

The only attention we were getting was the kind we were asking for: likeminded guildies.




Again, we are not the "gay guild" But you would have known that if you'd bother to read the thread. But that wasn't your agenda.

It's the the "gay" friendly guild. What does being a LGBTG whatever the thing is, have to do with an online game?

People who put so much into something so small (their sexuality) are going to go around being offended. Hell, it makes more sense to have a guild that is the "Arizona Player Guild".
 
Ulairi said:
It's the the "gay" friendly guild. What does being a LGBTG whatever the thing is, have to do with an online game?

People who put so much into something so small (their sexuality) are going to go around being offended. Hell, it makes more sense to have a guild that is the "Arizona Player Guild".


Some people never get it. Its ok.
 
SolidSnakex said:
Because people feel the need to act childish in the virtual world. So to get around that people create these guilds so they don't have to deal with that shit. I don't see the problem with it.

Will the creation of these guilds stop people from acting childish?

I play WoW, EQ2, EQ, DAoC, Shadowbane (the real d00d game), and UO, I rarely heard people refering to things as "gay" or anything. Just create your groups and boot people who do.
 
Ulairi said:
Will the creation of these guilds stop people from acting childish?

I play WoW, EQ2, EQ, DAoC, Shadowbane (the real d00d game), and UO, I rarely heard people refering to things as "gay" or anything. Just create your groups and boot people who do.


Works great to filter out the ignorant haters, so yes...yes it does. :)
 
Ulairi said:
Will the creation of these guilds stop people from acting childish?

Stop it completely? Probably not, but it'll help. It's not hurting anyone which is the point. If it allows them to play the game without feeling uncomfortable because of some idiot, what's the problem?
 
Matlock said:
But what about the idiots outside of the guild? :p

Who cares about them. I don't play with 'em. Being in OZ makes that easy. Like I said, you cannot control the idiots, but you sure as hell can play with other likeminded folks easy enough.

That is until Blizzard said it was bad. ;)
 
I'm half-jewish and I've heard people say "That's so jewish" more than that's "gay" in WoW. Do I need to start the Friends of Jews guild to feel safe? No. I just don't group with people like that. The good far outnumber the jerks in WoW.
 
Ulairi said:
I'm half-jewish and I've heard people say "That's so jewish" more than that's "gay" in WoW.

Number of gay slurs I've heard on my server: Heaps

Number of Jewish slurs I've heard on my server: Zero

Oy vey, you're so ghey...
 
Matlock said:
I understand where you're coming from, but you're choosing the wrong battlegrounds to fight on...this is pretty much the equivalent of hanging a sign that says "black friendly" on your house in the deep south around the first half of the century. :p

And so like blacks and the "black friendly" in the deep south in the first half the century they should just sit down, shut up and try not to wake the dragon, yes?
 
I don't understand why this is held to be a malicious policy by Blizzard. The policy says absolutely nothing about creating gay friendly guilds, the clarification of the ToS they posted reads

To promote a positive game environment for everyone and help prevent such harassment from taking place as best we can, we prohibit mention of topics related to sensitive real-world subjects in open chat within the game, and we do our best to take action whenever we see such topics being broadcast. This includes openly advertising a guild friendly to players based on a particular political, sexual, or religious preference, to list a few examples.

This specifies mention of such topics over open chat, and doesn't specify guilds. It seems to be directed with an eye towards subjects which could provoke contraversial discussion, and thats where this action came from. They retracted the warning itself in the later points of it. It's very clear, even to Lamda by the tone of their letter that Blizzard is attempting to do it's best to create a harrassment free environment by limiting public discussion, seemingly on open or gen chat, about contraversial topics. If you disagree and think the best way to promote this is through discussion fine, but please don't take the winning the battle against a hateful enemy position, it's just not well suited here.
 
Shogun said:
I don't understand why this is held to be a malicious policy by Blizzard. The policy says absolutely nothing about creating gay friendly guilds, the clarification of the ToS they posted reads

They are prohibiting the mention of the guild being GLBT friendly in guild solits...which kind of kills off the recuitment drive. They have a good policy, but they are handling the enforcement of it like meatheads.
 
I don't think they have much legal ground to stand on:
Online environments are public accommodations, subject to regulation as such. Butler v. Adoption Media, L.L.C., 2005 WL 1513142 (N.D.Cal.). Discrimination against LGBT individuals in the provision of public accommodations is clearly prohibited by California law. Id., see also, Cal. Civ. Code § 51 et seq. It has been so for more than fifty years. Stouman v. Reilly, 234 P.2d 969 (Cal. 1951). Insisting that LGBT persons not discuss their sexual orientation or gender identity can constitute discrimination under California law. Erdmann v. Tranquility Inc., 155 F.Supp.2d 1152 (N.D.Cal. 2001) (in which an employee who experienced a hostile environment at his workplace, including being instructed by a supervisor to “keep [his homosexuality] in the closet while he [was] at work,” stated a cause of action for employment discrimination); see also Gay Law Students v. Pacific Telephone & Telegraph, 595 P.2d 592 (1978) (same); Henkle v. Gregory, 150 F.Supp.2d 1067 (D.Nev.2001) (discussing students’ right to discuss their sexual orientation at school); Colin v. Orange Unified School District, 83 F.Supp.2d 1135 (C.D.Cal.2000) (addressing students’ right to use the word “gay” in the name of their school club).
There's nothing "public" about World of Warcraft... The examples they cite are workplace and school related. Big difference from an online videogame run on privately owned servers.
 
krypt0nian said:
They are prohibiting the mention of the guild being GLBT friendly in guild solits...which kind of kills off the recuitment drive. They have a good policy, but they are handling the enforcement of it like meatheads.

I would agree that it creates no negative feedback to simply announce that you are recruiting for a LGBT and recruit, and I would support asking blizzard for that change. That being said, I still feel that the title anti gay guild policy is misleading in that it suggests a policy barring or banning gay guilds from WoW rather than disadvantaging their expression and special interest recruiting.
 
Shogun said:
I would agree that it creates no negative feedback to simply announce that you are recruiting for a LGBT and recruit, and I would support asking blizzard for that change. That being said, I still feel that the title anti gay guild policy is misleading in that it suggests a policy barring or banning gay guilds from WoW rather than disadvantaging their expression and special interest recruiting.


Poor choice of title. You're correct. Unintentional as it should read "Lambda Legal slamdunks Blizzard's anti-GLBT friendly guild policy"

If a mod would like to change it, that would be cool.
 
brandonnn said:
And so like blacks and the "black friendly" in the deep south in the first half the century they should just sit down, shut up and try not to wake the dragon, yes?

I'm talking about choosing your battlefield, and you're talking about accepting the wrongs of society. Way to misread everything, kid.
 
Teddman said:
I don't think they have much legal ground to stand on:There's nothing "public" about World of Warcraft... The examples they cite are workplace and school related. Big difference from an online videogame run on privately owned servers.

They're claiming that World of Warcraft is a workplace, which it is -- considering the fact that there are in-game GMs that are employees while players are the customers. It's intersting because if this case goes to court, which I doubt it will, it would create one of the first legal definitions of online worlds.
 
krypt0nian said:
Poor choice of title. You're correct. Unintentional as it should read "Lambda Legal slamdunks Blizzard's anti-GLBT friendly guild policy"

If a mod would like to change it, that would be cool.

I wasn't trying to be a dick, I just think that if you agree that there isn't any active policies against gay or GLBT guilds here you are misrepresenting the situation.
 
It's hard playing any online game without hearing anti-gay comments thrown around, and that's without mention of anyone's orientation.

And don't tell the gays to keep quiet about it, tell the biggots to stfu.
 
Why is it that everywhere gays go, they feel the need to tell everyone of their sexuality? Be it message boards, games, or what have you - they must make it known they are gay.

Shut the fuck up and keep it to yourself. There is no need for anyone to know, unless you are hoping to hook up with another homosexual. In that case, there are designated sites for you.
 
Dragmire said:
It's hard playing any online game without hearing anti-gay comments thrown around, and that's without mention of anyone's orientation.

And don't tell the gays to keep quiet about it, tell the biggots to stfu.

'Fag' is used very loosely by people on the internet. It isn't always in regards to someones sexual orientation. It's akin to calling someone an idiot or loser.

Stop being so sensitive when it's typically 12 year olds throwing the word around.
 
blindrocket said:
It's a shame sexual orientation has to be involved with gaming.

A role-playing game? Come on. Sex is everywhere. So "sexual orientation" is bound to show up in a community of a millions people.
 
RegularMK said:
A role-playing game? Come on. Sex is everywhere. So "sexual orientation" is bound to show up in a community of a millions people.

But it shouldn't. People need to read the TOS and follow it.
 
siege said:
But it shouldn't. People need to read the TOS and follow it.

Yah and they shouldn't have to deal with idiots on there but it happens, so they set up a guild to atleast try to get around it. The whole point of a guild it to get a bunch of people who you want to play with, right? So what's the problem with them doing this?
 
siege said:
Why is it that everywhere gays go, they feel the need to tell everyone of their sexuality? Be it message boards, games, or what have you - they must make it known they are gay.

Shut the fuck up and keep it to yourself. There is no need for anyone to know, unless you are hoping to hook up with another homosexual. In that case, there are designated sites for you.

One of the many clueless. I sure hope none of your kids turn out to be gay. Its no different from straight people talking about their girlfriends/boyfriends online. No one is saying "hey I'm gay!!" They are just talking about their lovers and lives. You know...like guilds do.

Not a surprise that you don't understand how the word "fag" is wrong, even if the net kiddies turned it into "stupid" Sort of like the idiots say that the N word doesn't have to mean black people, huh? a-bullshit! <excuse me>

The fact that this upsets you so much speaks volumes to me. I will never STFU and no one else should. Every day more and more feel this way. :D
 
Not to mention gays probably want to more easily find people with similar interests... and that could definitely include a gay guild. People offended by gays proclaiming their gayness need to go and shit on everyone's parade over Jessica Alba in the OT for being so openly straight. How dare they.
 
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