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[DenogginizerOS]

I'd have to disagree, on my projector at least, the shortcomings of DVD are readily apparent in the vast majority of cases.

DVDs won't look nearly as good as Blu-ray on 720p or 1080p.

True. But a lot of people buy projector's and big screen HDTV's not just for resolution. Many want them for the bigger picture. I am not disputing the appeal of Blu-Ray. What I am disputing is its mass appeal to a lot of consumers who are currently content but concerned about the large amount of money they just invested in an HDTV that only has component cables or does not support 1080p.

 

[gofreak]

any news of TV series going to blue-ray? I would love to have each season on a single disc. I have been holding off buying shows in hope of this.

Sony will be releasing the complete Stargate Atlantis series in HD in the summer. How many discs etc., it's not said.

True. But a lot of people buy projector's and big screen HDTV's not just for resolution. Many want them for the bigger picture.

The problem is bigger picture => need for more resolution. This is exactly what I was talking about with my projector and DVDs. They look fine on a regular SDTV, but throw them on my projector and...

What I am disputing is its mass appeal to a lot of consumers who are currently content but concerned about the large amount of money they just invested in an HDTV that only has component cables or does not support 1080p.

It looks like you'll be fine with component cables, but it's not 100% certain yet. Your persistant notion that you won't significantly benefit from Blu-ray without a 1080p display is just incorrect IMO.

 

[Flo_Evans]

I can't wait for blu-ray movies^^

one concern - while the uncompressed audio is one of the best features IMO, will this work over digital optical?

I just got a new surround reciever (wich caused me to sort my DVD collection by dolby digital/DTS^^) I just wonder if this is going to work with 5.1 or 7.1 uncompressed audio?

 

[TTP]

Who gives a shit about Blu Ray when the next generation of table entrartainment is around the corner? I want that Entertaible thing *now*. That must be the most hi-tech old-style piece of group entertainment I've ever seen since the holo-chess-like game in Star Wars.

 

[BlueTsunami]

Who gives a shit about Blu Ray when the next generation of table entrartainment is around the corner? I want that Entertaible thing *now*. That must be the most hi-tech old-style piece of group entertainment I've ever seen since the holo-chess-like game in Star Wars.

 

[Schattenjäger]

This is somewhat true.

What does bother me to no avail is the unavailability of 1080p TVs at a reasonable price from REPUTABLE brands. And don't come parading the damn Westinghouse 1080p TV.

I've been waiting for quite a while to buy a new HDTV but these damn formats and technologies just don't seem to settle and just keep changing often. I own a HDTV and won't be able to play hdtv movies on it due to it only having component cables (5 year old TV though.) I don't want to buy a TV that will be overpriced and not be capable to handle whatever the heck these bastards decide to do with DRM.

im in the same boat.. pissed off about the component cable thing.. im gonna wait until 1080p becomes much more realistic

 

[Ghost]

BR isn't really filling a void IMO. Sure movies at higher resolutions will be great, but most consumers are fine with DVD as-is. I guess this will be a slow grind for Sony.

Its definitely not the leap VHS-DVD was.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

:lol

 

[TTP]

:lol yeah right!

 

[Deg]

I can't wait for blu-ray movies^^

one concern - while the uncompressed audio is one of the best features IMO, will this work over digital optical?

I just got a new surround reciever (wich caused me to sort my DVD collection by dolby digital/DTS^^) I just wonder if this is going to work with 5.1 or 7.1 uncompressed audio?

I posted this in this thread:

http://www.avinfo.co.uk/index.php?main=story&id=15125014

Dolby TrueHD

 

[Ponn]

So please inform me.

Blu-Ray will offer 50GB+ storage, uncompressed Audio channels (decompressed on the fly?) and basically a "better" home theater entertainment value than today's modern home theater.


Right.

You forgot the all important "movies in HD" part. Since DVD's aren't in HD then yea that would then eqate to better.

Oh wait, aren't you the one that is horrible with math with the whole "No PS3 announcement at CES = Loss in sales" thing?

Nevermind, that explains EVERYTHING now.....

 

[gofreak]

On Blu-ray and component cables - it's not certain yet what's going to happen. It seems more likely now, in fact, that you will be able to play HD movies over them. The technology used to constrain resolution on analog outputs is having legal difficulties in Japan, and players are no longer required to support it till 2011 at the earliest. Reportedly most studios aren't going to be using it either, for commercial reasons. Hopefully we'll get absolute clarification out of CES.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

Its definitely not the leap VHS-DVD was.

I remember SO MANY people thinking they needed to rewind the DVD they just bought/rented. For me, I think the cleaner picture was secondary to being able to skip to favorite scenes (those with children will understand).

The VHS->DVD leap was great for many reasons such as storage requirements for the actual disc, durability, better picture, extra content, digital sound, and accessibility.

Blu-Ray is being marketed as a better picture with better sound on high-end HDTV's. BIG DIFFERENCE.

 

[Deg]

Its definitely not the leap VHS-DVD was.

Have you ever seen a 1080p display?


Anyway i am sure words mean nothing. Wait till you see the actual stuff in action.

 

[kaching]

I guess this will be a slow grind for Sony.

As fast as DVD success was in comparison to previous formats, it still took it 4-5 yrs to surpass VHS sales regularly and VHS sales didn't reach their peak until at least 4 yrs after DVD was on the market. People seem to keep overlooking this. This is just the beginning and no one is expecting success overnight. DVD will continue to sell very well and probably won't peak in sales for years to come. Meanwhile, BD/HD-DVD will hopefully grow steadily as its advantages over DVD (which are *not* just HD visuals) become more and more apparent.

 

[Amir0x]

Updated post with BRD, HDDVD stuff. Tell me if I missed anything.

 

[TwIsTeD]

HDTV owners will be some of the first adopters, for everyone else there is no point to upgrade when most tvs cant support the enhancements offered. Personally this is what my PS3 is going to be used for heavily

 

[gofreak]

Updated post with BRD, HDDVD stuff. Tell me if I missed anything.

The Liongate link looks a little funky.

Maybe you might want to mention in the bit about 50GB discs that Fox is planning two sci-fi movies for that also. That asides, I think it's up to speed

 

[DenogginizerOS]

HDTV owners will be some of the first adopters, for everyone else there is no point to upgrade when most tvs cant support the enhancements offered. Personally this is what my PS3 is going to be used for heavily

Precisely. What Blu-Ray can do for games is what I am most interested in.

 

[kaching]

Blu-Ray is being marketed as a better picture with better sound on high-end HDTV's. BIG DIFFERENCE.

Blu-Ray isn't really being marketed yet. The closest thing we've had to marketing are these first announcements of Blu-Ray titles becoming available this year and, if you pay attention to them, you'll notice that many of them are touting *more* than just better picture and better sound.

The information that's been readily available about the Blu-ray format for sometime now and for anyone willing to do a little research before they jump into the argument for or against these new formats, indicates several other advantages over DVD than just better picture and sound.

 

[Amir0x]

The Liongate link looks a little funky.

Maybe you might want to mention in the bit about 50GB discs that Fox is planning two sci-fi movies for that also. That asides, I think it's up to speed

Alright, will do. Thanks

 

[Mrbob]

Lets be realistic here. No one is suggesting Blu Ray is going to supplant DVD as the format of a choice in one year. Not even two. It'll probably take 5 or 6 years. But the fact of the matter is that Blu Ray is here now, and we can enjoy 1080p movies, now. It also looks like studios are doing dual DVD/Blu Ray releases for new movies now. If you want to buy your DVD movies you still can. They are not going away. But for those of us who want high definition movies, I can get them NOW. I could care less at the adoption rate as it won't outpace DVD for years. The fact is that studios are jumping behind Blu Ray which means I can get my Blu Ray copy of a movie at the same time a person can buy their DVD copy, regardless if the Blu Ray version sells 1/10 the amount of the DVD version.

The early studio support already for Blu Ray is a little astonishing to me. I didn't think it would be this big this early. All these early announcements have me gravitating towards getting a 1080P set instead of a 720P set. Oh, and Toshiba using CELL chips in all their TV sets starting in 2006 is big news. I'm surprised people aren't talking about this more.

 

[Stinkles]

But the fact of the matter is that Blu Ray is here now, and we can enjoy 1080p movies, now.

Shit, really? I need to get to Best Buy!!!!


Blu Ray disks, if properly encoded will eliminate horrible DVD artifacting even on 480i TVs, but the sort of folks who'll really notice that will have HDTVs. But it is a minor plus for the TV-challenged.


I'm crossing my fingers there will be an "aaaw fuck it, we're scared of losing market share so we're going to allow HD playback through component" announcement.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

Blu-Ray isn't really being marketed yet. The closest thing we've had to marketing are these first announcements of Blu-Ray titles becoming available this year and, if you pay attention to them, you'll notice that many of them are touting *more* than just better picture and better sound.

The information that's been readily available about the Blu-ray format for sometime now and for anyone will to do a little research before they jump into the argument for or against these new formats, indicates several other advantages over DVD than just better picture and sound.

It has been marketed to the studios and the computer makers as more than just High Def movies. Marketing to consumers has not begun - agreed. Maybe we can have a features comparison of VHS -> DVD versus DVD -> HDTV so we can put a lot of these CES announcements into context. I know security is a big concern for the movie studios and Blu-Ray does seem to have a big advantage here (for now).

 

[monkeymagic]

Its definitely not the leap VHS-DVD was.

Yep it's not the leap VHS-DVD was - it's greater than that

VHS: ~240
DVD: 480
Blu-Ray: 1080

 

[jett]

The point is current DVD's look beautiful as well on HDTV's.

:lol No they don't.

 

[Mrbob]

Shit, really? I need to get to Best Buy!!!!


Blu Ray disks, if properly encoded will eliminate horrible DVD artifacting even on 480i TVs, but the sort of folks who'll really notice that will have HDTVs. But it is a minor plus for the TV-challenged.


I'm crossing my fingers there will be an "aaaw fuck it, we're scared of losing market share so we're going to allow HD playback through component" announcement.

Ahhh damn it I meant when around PS3 is released. :lol Is it odd I'm almost as excited for PS3 for high def movies as I am games. Moreso than I ever have been for UMD movies.

Hopefully you get your HD component playback non HDMI HD owning friend.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

:lol No they don't.

27" non-HDTV to 50" HDTV. Looks a lot better to me.

 

[Deg]

The early studio support already for Blu Ray is a little astonishing to me. I didn't think it would be this big this early. All these early announcements have me gravitating towards getting a 1080P set instead of a 720P set. Oh, and Toshiba using CELL chips in all their TV sets starting in 2006 is big news. I'm surprised people aren't talking about this more.

Yup i will be getting 1080p.

 

[gofreak]

It has been marketed to the studios and the computer makers as more than just High Def movies. Marketing to consumers has not begun - agreed. Maybe we can have a features comparison of VHS -> DVD versus DVD -> HDTV so we can put a lot of these CES announcements into context. I know security is a big concern for the movie studios and Blu-Ray does seem to have a big advatage here (for now).

Most of the improvements you list for VHS to DVD also apply here:

"storage requirements for the actual disc"

If we get single disc "boxsets", so to speak, there's an improvement here too.

"better picture"

For HDTV, of course. For SDTV...?

"extra content"

One might think so. Apparently 80% of "bonus elements" on Blu-ray movies have to be new/different.

"accessibility"

We'll see what these new java interfaces they're talking about offer, but there's potential. Internet connectivity from this POV, and the content POV, might also be interesting. There's also the embedded games too.

 

[TTP]

27" non-HDTV to 50" HDTV. Looks a lot better to me.

I must have a very crappy 40'' LCD HDTV display then, 'cos they look shit.

 

[Ponn]

27" non-HDTV to 50" HDTV. Looks a lot better to me.

Not when you get done watching a HD movie on cable and see what you are missing.

 

[Razoric]

27" non-HDTV to 50" HDTV. Looks a lot better to me.

Watch some HD content then put on a DVD. :lol

 

[DenogginizerOS]

Most of the improvements you list for VHS to DVD also apply here:

"storage requirements for the actual disc actual disc"

If we get single disc "boxsets", so to speak, there's an improvement here too.

"better picture"

For HDTV, of course. For SDTV...?

"extra content"

One might think so. Apparently 80% of "bonus elements" on Blu-ray movies have to be new/different.

"accessibility"

We'll see what these new interfaces they're talking about offer, but there's potential. Internet connectivity from this POV, and the content POV, might also be interesting.

I agree with you on all of your points. I, like many on this board, are curious to see what BRD brings. What I find to be the most interesting is how the companies market BRD? It is here where there is potential for a lot of the improvements to be lost if the better picture is the focus of the marketing. The economics of replacing DVD's with BRD's ("birds - flying movies to new heights of clarity, sound, and features") as well as replacing their new HDTV down the road, is what most consumers, I think, will have to weigh.

 

[Goreomedy]

27" non-HDTV to 50" HDTV. Looks a lot better to me.

I watched the entire first season of Lost in HDTV. When the DVD came out, I was so disappointed by the picture quality. There really is no comparison.

 

[IJoel]

I watched the entire first season of Lost in HDTV. When the DVD came out, I was so disappointed by the picture quality. There really is no comparison.

Haha... that's so true. All TV I watch these days is almost exclusively in those HDTV channels my cable company offer. It's just a huge difference in quality and makes it hard to go back to those fuzzy blurry sdtv channels.

 

[trmas]

1080p is probably not going to matter on anything less than 50" realistically. That said, I'm waiting on the HDTV announcements. I need to replace my 60" Samsung DLP in the living room. I've started watching everything on the plasma in the bedroom because it looks SO much better.

The Blue-Ray in the PS3 will make for a MUCH quicker adoption rate than many here believe.

 

[gofreak]

as well as replacing their new HDTV down the road, is what most consumers, I think, will have to weigh.

I'm not making very much progress here :lol

Blu-ray on any HDTV (if the inputs allow it, and it might well be possible on any HDTV with or without HDCP-compliant inputs), offers a big leap.

If you wanna get a 1080p screen later, it'll offer further improvement still. The format will grow with you.

 

[teiresias]

I watched the entire first season of Lost in HDTV. When the DVD came out, I was so disappointed by the picture quality. There really is no comparison.

This man speaks the truth, I have the Lost Season 1 DVD set, but started catching Lost episodes on Saturdays at my mom's place through her hi-def cable and it's just night and day. I won't be buying anymore seasons of the show until they're available on a Hi-Def format, it's just not worth it.

For certain shows you may as well go ahead and get them on DVD because there aren't Hi-Def transfers possible for some older shows (mainly special effects heavy 80's shows like Star Trek: TNG and the like).

 

[drohne]

blu ray needs to happen NOW, cos dvds look like horse cack on an hdtv, there's never anything good on hd channels, and i'm just itching to buy an overpriced player and hd versions of movies i already own. TAKE MY MONEY PLS

blu ray should look even better than broadcast hd, huh? cos there's usually some fairly visible artifacting there.

 

[trmas]

HD quality movies just KILL their DVD counterparts if you have a good TV. I mean, even my WIFE can see it, and she usually doesn't care about those things.

 

[kaching]

I, like many on this board, are curious to see what BRD brings. What I find to be the most interesting is how the companies market BRD? It is here where there is potential for a lot of the improvements to be lost if the better picture is the focus of the marketing.

Agreed, and its the part of the equation that's always been missing in these early discussions about these formats. Which is one of the reasons why its great we're finally moving into a phase when we'll begin to get answers more rapidly to some of the existing questions.

 

[Goreomedy]

there's never anything good on hd channels

LIAR!

Universal HD aired "They Live" the other day. Roddy Piper never looked so good!

 

[Lord Error]

blu ray should look even better than broadcast hd, huh? cos there's usually some fairly visible artifacting there.

Yes, it should have much higer bitrate. HD channels are often bitrate capped.

 

[bishoptl]

blu ray needs to happen NOW, cos dvds look like horse cack on an hdtv

Tell me about it. My Samsung isn't getting the visual love it deserves from my DVDs at all. So sad. Hurry up Sony, and deliver us from evil!

 

[Stinkles]

Hopefully you get your HD component playback non HDMI HD owning friend.

I have HDMI x 2 - I am just fighting for the PEOPLE.

One love.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

I have HDMI x 2 - I am just fighting for the PEOPLE.

One love.

As am I brother. BTW, Did Phillips fix your TV?

 

[Flo_Evans]

I posted this in this thread:

http://www.avinfo.co.uk/index.php?main=story&id=15125014

Dolby TrueHD

that SUCKS!

Why would they need to encode it in DD if its uncompressed? If I am reading that article right, without a HDMI reciever, you would get less audio quality than current DTS DVDs?

I have to assume this is a copyright issue (maybe if they cave on the HD over component they will cave on this?) or is it a bandwith issue?

I want my uncompressed audio just as much as my HD picture ; ;

 

[gofreak]

that SUCKS!

Why would they need to encode it in DD if its uncompressed? If I am reading that article right, without a HDMI reciever, you would get less audio quality than current DTS DVDs?

I have to assume this is a copyright issue (maybe if they cave on the HD over component they will cave on this?) or is it a bandwith issue?

I want my uncompressed audio just as much as my HD picture ; ;

I'm not an audio buff, and might be missing something, but..

Dolby TrueHD allows owners of current A/V receivers equipped with Dolby Digital decoding to experience a significant improvement in audio performance when they connect their receivers to a next-generation optical player that supports Dolby Digital 640 kbps output. Consumers who own a receiver equipped with multichannel analog inputs will be able to experience the superb audio quality of Dolby TrueHD, coupled with the expanded capability for full 7.1 discrete channel playback. For the ultimate Dolby TrueHD experience, consumers who recently purchased the latest A/V receivers with HDMI(TM) inputs can experience lossless 7.1-channel playback via a pure digital connection.

 

[Stinkles]

As am I brother. BTW, Did Phillips fix your TV?

Not yet, but their customer service was super helpful and arranged a home repair visit by a way better outfit. That said, luckily I know a fancypants exec at Philips, so I'm simply going to bypass the consumer route.