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Laserdisc 2 vs Laserdisc 3

MightyHedgehog said:
Except that DVD players had been around for almost four years prior to the PS2 launch. And there were some out on the market that cost as little as $400 at the time of PS2's release.
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Well you gotta ask yourself...is it the drive which is driving up the cost of Blu Ray players, or the techonology inside to process the data off the discs? Blu Ray drive alone can't output video onto your tv. :P Cell and RSX will take care of this process for PS3. What we don't know is the actual cost of the blu ray drive, and to speculate Sony losses without knowing this info is a bit silly.
 
If I may interuppt this format war disguised as a CES 2006 thread, has there been any info on Toshibas SED Television?
 
Any price estimates for these SED televisions? Am I looking at ~ $4000 for a 50 in. screen? What about 1080p, will that be used for these?

Finally, any new info on the carbon-nanotube televisions?
 
Mrbob said:
Well you gotta ask yourself...is it the drive which is driving up the cost of Blu Ray players, or the techonology inside to process the data off the discs? Blu Ray drive alone can't output video onto your tv. :P Cell and RSX will take care of this process for PS3. What we don't know is the actual cost of the blu ray drive, and to speculate Sony losses without knowing this info is a bit silly.
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Sure, but, based on just the timeframes and the price difference...it just seems a bit extreme to me. Guess there's still more information needed.
 
Duderz said:
Any price estimates for these SED televisions? Am I looking at ~ $4000 for a 50 in. screen? What about 1080p, will that be used for these?

Finally, any new info on the carbon-nanotube televisions?
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No news yet on prices on SEDs sofar.....perhaps when the show starts we will get details...

Toshiba/Canon has said the first SED will be 55 inches Diagonal and all SEDs are 1080p, per Toshiba/Canon.....


No news yet on CNT TVs but again, we will learn more when CES opens on Thursday...
 
gofreak said:
Resolution aside, I don't know if the functionality is equal or better..(simply don't know enough about the Samsung or all the movie functionality in PS3).

Again, if what you think will happen, happens, it simply means the prices will come down faster. But there will always be a high end, regardless, that's my point. There'll always be $1000+ players (just as there are still $1000+ dvd players). Samsung are out to make a buck in that category because they know lots of the first adopters won't mind paying for that (and note that Samsung is aiming to be the first player in the US). Ditto for the others, they'll all want to cream some profits off that segment with more expensive drives.
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2 questions / comments:

1) Won't the PS3 already be the defacto "low end" Blu-Ray player? Do people actually expect it to cost more than $499 (the HD-DVD low end price)

2) What will be the qualitative differences between BD players? The signal should be all digital, so the analog converters which seemed to be the biggest difference makers are gone.

All Blu-Ray players must support

Video: 1080p
Audio: DTS (core format), Dolby Digital AC-3 and LPCM (up to 96/24) . (Optionally DTS++ and LPCM 192/24 7.1.)
Software: BDJ / HDMV mode / "DVD" style authoring


I know internet connectivity is optional and it looks like computer connectivity seems to be another area.

But, from a quality standpoint, shouldn't all Blu-Ray players be able to deliver the exact same audio / video quality?
 
Kleegamefan said:
It seems to me this concept of consumer thinking escapes you......this is no crime and being you post on a videogame forum, it is not surprising either.....

To drive the point home, I just took delivery of a 2006 Corvette Z06($73K)....this is a car that offers ~90% the performance of a Porsche Carrera GT(about 1/2 a million$), but if I could afford a CGT, I would not give the Z a second glance, BeeLee DAT!



*DISCLAIMER*

The above post is based on the assumption you are *not* asking loaded/flamebait questions to stir up shit in this thread :)
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No, my post was flamebait/loaded to stir up shit, and you better be glad I'm in a good mood or I would throw some choice insults your way.

And your car analogy doesn't hold water because there is alot more involved in the value structure of a car then there is a piece of consumer electronics. We will find out soon enough what the deal is with pricing.
 
PS3 will unlikely match the other blu ray players since Sony will cut costs somewhere. Kinda like PS2.
 
MightyHedgehog said:
I'm wondering now... I think it's entirely realistic that Sony will not have the PS3 ship with BD-ROM playback out of the box...and, instead, sell you an optional (and very expensive) dongle for that usage, much like the XBOX with the DVD remote.
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The only way that would make sense is if the dongle consisted of the actual blue laser optical drive. The Xbox dongle made sense because they could actually offload the most significant cost of offering DVD playback with it (cost of DVD licenses) which, in this case, wouldn't be the most significant cost of including the BD drive and Sony probably gets a break on licensing anyway as one of the founding members of the BDA.
 
- Bravia brand is top-selling flat-panel LCD TV in US. Soon introducing new 46-inch model at 1080p and 3 new S-series models with integrated ATSC tuners. The world premier of 82-inch Bravia prototype with wide-color gamma technology is set to deliver more realism via the full range of color.

I'll pick up one of those 1080p sets when the PLAYSTATION 3 arrives. :D
 
dorio said:
The million dollar question is where those cuts will be.
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These $1000+ models are for people who demand inch-thick machined aluminum faceplates and adjustable suspension feet. You can buy a CD player today that costs $5000 and outputs the exact same digital signal as a Discman.
 
PLAYDTATION NEWS:

5:30 John Koller talking about Sony's position in the gaming industry. They expect another 5 years with the PS2 on top of anticipating the PS3 launch and celebrating early success with the PSP. They've sold more than 4 million PSP units in the US, with 70 titles and 250 movies now out. PSP development hasn't stopped -- PSP Connect to launch in March for users to download full-length movies and titles.

5:35 Rob Bartels is demonstrating LocationFree TV playback on the PSP. On the road you can use any WiFi connection to control your TV at home and view content you have stored there.
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They fear Nokia.
 
qirex said:
These $1000+ models are for people who demand inch-thick machined aluminum faceplates and adjustable suspension feet. You can buy a CD player today that costs $5000 and outputs the exact same digital signal as a Discman.
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I can buy that but you mention an extremely rare situation. In this situation there is not one comparably priced standalone BD unit.
 
You cant compare $1000+ units at the launch of a technology to the $1000+ units when a technology is mature. The $1000+ units today will be crap units a year or so from now. When first CD player I purchased sold for $800 18 months before I picked it up for $149. So these $1000 BR players will not be anything special except being capable of playing BR content. Audio/Videophiles know this and accept it. A couple of years from now will have low and high end. This year will just be early adopter players.

How Sony handles this with the PS3 will be very interesting to see.
 
Screw this laser disk 2 and 3, I am telling you all now the original laser disk will come back in full force in 2012 along with the dreamcast.

BELIEVE PEOPLE, BELIEVE!
 
Kleegamefan said:
Also, many audio/video early adopters wouldn't be caught DEAD with a *videogame console* as their main player.....
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This was only because the PS2's video quality was sub-par. Poor layer changes, poor MPEG-2 decoding, and poor analog output. Nothing has ever stopped AV early adopters from goign "outside" the norm. Look at HTPC's and how popular they've been with AV enthusiasts who want the best quality?

Blu-Ray doesn't have as big of a problem because 1080p24 means there's no deinterlacing chip to worry and HDMI ensures that the video is sharp. Barring some sort of H.264 precision problems or some sort of stupid color-space issues, I definitely can see AV early adopters willing to adopt the PS3 as their main Blu-Ray device *ASSUMING* that a good remote control is available and the ergonomics are sound.
 
LaserDisc was what, 400 ~ 450 lines of resolution?

Super VHS / SVHS was 400 lines of resolution?

DVD is 500 lines of resolution?

and plain old VHS was between 200 ~ 300 lines of resolution?


I know I fucked up somewhere but I know it goes like:

DVD
LaserDisc
SVHS
VHS

and Beta was better quality than VHS but died in the consumer market.

what was Beta vs SVHS like ?
 
Kleegamefan said:
No news yet on prices on SEDs sofar.....perhaps when the show starts we will get details...

Toshiba/Canon has said the first SED will be 55 inches Diagonal and all SEDs are 1080p, per Toshiba/Canon.....


No news yet on CNT TVs but again, we will learn more when CES opens on Thursday...
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"55 inches" I know that would be a little out my price range.... a 42" would be nice though.
 
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