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[IntentionalPun]

And do you honestly think him handing it over to a machine to use his image is worth of praise?

What machine?

I'm not here to praise him as a god for it; he gets credit for what he's done.. giving a load of money that will fund good work, and using his platform to bring awareness, that will probably bring in more funding. So sure, it's worthy of praise.. why wouldn't it be?

That's it.. not sure why it has to be a dick measuring contest between that and you doing volunteer work. I praise you for that too.. but whatever you volunteered for likely has many paid employees making that happen whose jobs are funded by people giving money.

 

[*Nightwing]

What machine?

I'm not here to praise him as a god for it; he gets credit for what he's done.. giving a load of money that will fund good work, and using his platform to bring awareness, that will probably bring in more funding. So sure, it's worthy of praise.. why wouldn't it be?

That's it.. not sure why it has to be a dick measuring contest between that and you doing volunteer work. I praise you for that too.. but whatever you volunteered for likely has many paid employees making that happen whose jobs are funded by people giving money.

Corporate machine. I'm too tiered to start digging the facts and how his charitable foundation has been investigated and accused in the past of financial crimes and been in association with others that do, if you don't want to google for yourself I can't blame you.
Thanks for the kind words and empathy, and I didn't do my volunteer work for myself, I did it to help others. But again it isn't about me nor the idiocy of comparing myself and my contributions to society to one of the few millionaires who has been at philanthropy for the better part of over 2 decades now.
It's about the truth not dick measuring. Just saying putting pen to a check of a foundation that invests to create more capital isn't worth any praise outside of those government agencies and scientists said money benefits the work of. The moment it's the reverse and those signing the checks getting all the credit and public praise is virtue signaling and it empties the goodwill gesture. The money thankfully will remain and is a tool to accomplish the goal he is not actively helping in.

And for clarity it is not him that is giving the money, it is the coalition of nonprofits that are pledging the money: https://news.mongabay.com/2021/05/d...unch-40m-effort-to-restore-galapagos-islands/

 

[BigBooper]

And do you honestly think him handing it over to a machine to use his image is worth of praise?


That's a more philosophical line of thought that will inevitably move goalposts so I try and retain that things related to morality or honor remain black and white. It is not pragmatic if your end goal is to make as much money as possible and gather as much material goods and wealth and power as you can where you need gray areas for moral ambiguity. It is pragmatic if your goal is being the best version of yourself you can be to look in the mirror and be happy with yourself without regret at the end of your life.

I have more important things to think about to reach those goals than what anyone else thinks of me nor do I care what random strangers on the webs thinks of me, sorry I don't return the engagement of your pettiness.

And again the difference is one is WORKING (actual work, not paying someone else to do the work) towards achieving the goal, which he can easily do as the head of his own nonprofit that is one of the three major organizations involved here, and the other is paying off without doing any actual production towards achieving the goal. As a producer and director which he's done, those administrative skills would be useful. Ask FEMA and all the people it constantly fails if it's more important to have the cash or actual competency.

And parading around now in press conferences rather than having the government officials and scientists give the press conference and thank his nonprofit and him as well for his donations. It's not about me, it's about learning from history and not sanctifying the modern day equivalent of barons buying prayers from monks. Buying virtue was stupid and meaningless then as it is now.

Go ahead and continue building your cross in your own mind then.

 

[*Nightwing]

Go ahead and continue building your cross in your own mind then.

Will do thank you good sir, and you enjoy your compromise

 

[IntentionalPun]

Corporate machine. I'm too tiered to start digging the facts and how his charitable foundation has been investigated and accused in the past of financial crimes and been in association with others that do, if you don't want to google for yourself I can't blame you.
Thanks for the kind words and empathy, and I didn't do my volunteer work for myself, I did it to help others. But again it isn't about me nor the idiocy of comparing myself and my contributions to society to one of the few millionaires who has been at philanthropy for the better part of over 2 decades now.
It's about the truth not dick measuring. Just saying putting pen to a check of a foundation that invests to create more capital isn't worth any praise outside of those government agencies and scientists said money benefits the work of. The moment it's the reverse and those signing the checks getting all the credit and public praise is virtue signaling and it empties the goodwill gesture. The money thankfully will remain and is a tool to accomplish the goal he is not actively helping in.

And for clarity it is not him that is giving the money, it is the coalition of nonprofits that are pledging the money: https://news.mongabay.com/2021/05/d...unch-40m-effort-to-restore-galapagos-islands/

I'm sorry.. I'm still having trouble following.. he gave his instagram account over to a veterinarian who works for a foundation that isn't his, that is doing the scientific work. That person is then going to use it to continue to post about the work/bring awareness... and that's the foundation they'd be bringing awareness too, maybe I'm missing something?

I just honestly don't care that much about praise.. I wish we lived in a world where scientists were who people cared about, but we don't live in that society. The people who are famous for their rather vacuous work, like Lio DiCaprio, who then turn around and do something good with their earnings, are still worthy of some praise either way.

I'd praise the scientists more; but an article about them isn't going to get a thread on NeoGAF.. it's not going to be published worldwide, etc.

Not every single philanthropist is doing it for clout; I don't know if Leo is one of those people or not, and don't really care.. either way it'd be impossible to tell.. he CAN make more of a difference publicizing these things than not publicizing things.

And I am actually aware it isn't all of his money, actually read the article you just linked to (not blaming you for clarifying).. what i meant was that over time he's given a lot.. that's a good thing to me.

And I just googled what you are talking about... some guy embezzled billions and then used it to hob nob w/ folks like Leo... and? I'm not sure why you think that would be anything other than that. They weren't accused of financial crimes...

 

[oagboghi2]

What machine?

I'm not here to praise him as a god for it; he gets credit for what he's done.. giving a load of money that will fund good work, and using his platform to bring awareness, that will probably bring in more funding. So sure, it's worthy of praise.. why wouldn't it be?

That's it.. not sure why it has to be a dick measuring contest between that and you doing volunteer work. I praise you for that too.. but whatever you volunteered for likely has many paid employees making that happen whose jobs are funded by people giving money.

It seems like a lot of you guys are. It funny watching so many of you be upset that other posters won't kiss his ass.

His good work doesn't change the fact that he is a massive hypocrite, who has openly campaigned to make people's life worse for the sake of his environmental concerns...which can't motivate him to fly coach. People aren't going to forget that.

 

[QuantumZebra]

He did earn it with and with incredible skill, I think he is under appreciated as an actor because he was a teenage heartthrob. Let's not pretend his net worth is from his acting paychecks though. That charitable foundation of his was made when he was a multimillionaire from his investment portfolio and he expanded his portfolio into a nonprofit. Because of all the elite investment brokers he meets as a celebrity. Necessary evil again

Would it not evoke sincerity if he proceeded as he was doing with his investments but we receive this press release from the government of Ecuador when they announce the directive officially from the respective government offices so the people doing the work get the credit and get to thank those investing?

Or if he wants the credit immediately to undertake 2 years off acting and being a celebrity to work full time representing his own charitable foundation to be active in decision and implementing this at direction of the scientists involved in this effort, also volunteering for the labor work that will be needed? (anyone who has worked in the nonprofit sector and in the corporate sector can tell how inept most all in nonprofit administration are and how they need all the help they can administratively but can't pay for it)

But he didn't. He allowed himself to be the face of this outright to get the credit and try and be an inspiration to get more to invest into his foundation and those involved as a sales pitch without having to do an ounce of real work towards the actual effort of reclamation. I think those examples are examples of actual virtuous acts, and what he is doing is virtue signaling.

And I hope he proves me wrong cause those islands, their wildlife and all the science they have inspired are more valuable to me than my pride, my bitterness, my love for being a pessimist and all his money combined.

I can see the angle you're coming from - but you're still missing the fundamental point I'm making: without Leo, this isn't happening. He made those millions that he was then able to expand into a non-profit.

And celebrities being the "face" of things is normal since they can drum up interest and donations for the cause.

This is absolutely normal (for a celebrity/power player) to handle donations or a cause in this manner. What's rare is for them to take up a cause like this as opposed to just giving a canned speech on it whenever they accept an award.

I'm sorry.. I'm still having trouble following.. he gave his instagram account over to a veterinarian who works for a foundation that isn't his, that is doing the scientific work. That person is then going to use it to continue to post about the work/bring awareness... and that's the foundation they'd be bringing awareness too, maybe I'm missing something?

I just honestly don't care that much about praise.. I wish we lived in a world where scientists were who people cared about, but we don't live in that society. The people who are famous for their rather vacuous work, like Lio DiCaprio, who then turn around and do something good with their earnings, are still worthy of some praise either way.

I'd praise the scientists more; but an article about them isn't going to get a thread on NeoGAF.. it's not going to be published worldwide, etc.

Not every single philanthropist is doing it for clout; I don't know if Leo is one of those people or not, and don't really care.. either way it'd be impossible to tell.. he CAN make more of a difference publicizing these things than not publicizing things.

And I am actually aware it isn't all of his money, actually read the article you just linked to (not blaming you for clarifying).. what i meant was that over time he's given a lot.. that's a good thing to me.

And I just googled what you are talking about... some guy embezzled billions and then used it to hob nob w/ folks like Leo... and? I'm not sure why you think that would be anything other than that. They weren't accused of financial crimes...

This summarizes my feelings really well.

 

[IntentionalPun]

It seems like a lot of you guys are. It funny watching so many of you be upset that other posters won't kiss his ass.

His good work doesn't change the fact that he is a massive hypocrite, who has openly campaigned to make people's life worse for the sake of his environmental concerns...which can't motivate him to fly coach. People aren't going to forget that.

I'm not upset about anything; I just find it strange to get so angsty over the particular thing I was conversing about, which wasn't about Leo's hypocrisy, was just speaking in general about the concept of publicizing donations.

There are full of shit people donating to foundations that aren't actually doing anything but providing vanity; but that's a specific case.. and I've done research in the past on it, and it's not even particularly common.. same with the "it's a tax haven" thing.