Hero of Legend
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You forget BN's direct MH competitor; God Eater. I'm extremely surprised they never attempted a 3DS release, not to mention characters from it actually appear in Project X Zone, so the IP has a presence on 3DS.
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Let's look over Nintendo's relationship with Bandai Namco
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You forget BN's direct MH competitor; God Eater. I'm extremely surprised they never attempted a 3DS release, not to mention characters from it actually appear in Project X Zone, so the IP has a presence on 3DS.
Quite a bit of it is speculation, but that's definitely her appearing in the trailer (she's the top-left of the four-face panel in the OP). The thing is, we don't quite know *why* she's depicted, but her being a player character is concievable.
It's not impossible that they hadn't finalised characters and just wanted some faces to represent a range of characters without actually intending that one to be recognised as KOS-MOS (using it as placeholder art for now). I think, if that's the case, they made a poor choice!
Hero of Legend
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Jimmyfenix
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You forget BN's direct MH competitor; God Eater. I'm extremely surprised they never attempted a 3DS release, not to mention characters from it actually appear in Project X Zone, so the IP has a presence on 3DS.
Well I think that is the exact reason why it is not on 3ds due to monster hunter. Same with toukiden from koei. Good on Bandai and koei for adding ps4 versions to those games and cross play
DXB-KNIGHT
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XenoSaga HD collection anyone?
Hero of Legend
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Maybe, but MH clones flooded the PSP which is where the explosion happened and they did really well, including God Eater.
The reason is likely because Sony paid for it after losing MH. I doubt it's a coincidence that virtually all secondary hunting games failed to follow the genre king.
Go home Silky, you're drunk.
Candescence
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If I recall, Bandai and Namco merging in the first place was to head off an acquisition attempt of the former from Nintendo. But who knows at this stage what Nintendo will do when it comes to acquisitions.
They will buy SEGA but it will send them in a talespin, causing an eventual purchase by Disney.
That sucks. I still want to try it though.
P.S. Your avatar is too bad ass for words. Very cool.
TGO
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Nintendo has always had good support from Namco, but Namco is an off and on 2nd party developera for Sony, has been since PSX
Although I don't see anything from them this gen on Sony's platforms so maybe they're giving Nintendo love now.
But I'd still say Sony has the strongest relationship with them.
Although I don't see anything from them this gen on Sony's platforms so maybe they're giving Nintendo love now.
But I'd still say Sony has the strongest relationship with them.
Bring Tekken to Wii U? But there is already an actual Tekken game on Wii U.
No Tales on Wii U isn't really that surprising. I think their treatment of 3DS is way more objectionable given it's Japanese dominance.
Jimmyfenix
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Well Due to PS4 success in the west they have been adding PS4 versions of some of their games.
Below are some of the games only on Playstation
God eater 2 rage burst PS4,VITA
Godzilla PS3, PS4
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Eyes of Heaven PS3,PS4
J-STARS VICTORY VS+ VITA,PS3,PS4
They are working on a PS4 tales title as well
Bandai works well will all platforms
A Tekken game people will actually buy.
Hero of Legend
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It's just been unveiled that more Amiibos work with One Piece, and get this;
Chopper works with Kirby. NOT Pikachu, even though Chopper is voiced by Ikue Ohtani. ARE YOU SERIOUS? How did they not do the obvious?
Chopper works with Kirby. NOT Pikachu, even though Chopper is voiced by Ikue Ohtani. ARE YOU SERIOUS?
How did they not do the obvious?If they're waiting to be paid out by Nintendo, they'll be waiting a long time. Were they also paid out to follow MH on PSP?
Sony scrambling with damage control seems like a a much more likely bet. They lost MH so they doubled down on making deals for GE/PS/Toukiden while also financing big hunting games out of SCE (Soul Sacrifice, Freedom Wars). Hasn't seemed to really pay off for the most part though.
Ex-Actarus
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It was a disaster. I would prefer Nintendo taking care 100% of Starfox. If they want to involve a 3rd party dev, it should be Platinium, no one else !
As far the relationship with Bandai Namco goes, I'm not convinced it's that important. I mean why Soul Calibur 2 HD didn't make it to the Wii U ? And why Bandai Namco put the brakes on Project Cars Wii U ? No Dark Souls, no Dragon Ball, no Tekken 7 ? Sorry, but I'm not impressed...
I would like the Tales team to collaborate with Hirohide Sugiura's Monolithsoft team. I imagine a game where you move your characters around a map on a grid similar to SRPGs (or like Project X Zone- developed by Hirohide Sugiura's Monolithsoft team), but once you engage your enemies in battle, it plays similarly to the Tales series (real time battles). I would call it a straction rpg. Does anything like this already exist?
Hero of Legend
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That's the Project X Zone team that more or less originated at Banpresto right? What a funny team to bring in at Monolith, I assume they only worked with each other on Namco X Capcom prior to that team forming? They also did the OG Saga games on DS I believe.
Guess Monolith really took a liking to Banpresto and their SRPG Gundams and what not.
Funny, you'd think they'd partner with the Summon Night team at Banpresto or something. Or did they just publish those games?
sörine;148685672 said:
Doesn't make any sense. If they would moneyhat something, it would be a lot easier to moneyhat a big game from Square Enix, that obviously would do a lot better than things you say they moneyhat.
Going by logic, it is a million times more logical that a company uses party of the legendary war chest to buy a multi-million seller franchise exclusivity that would grant them millions of new customers no matter what it happened than a company that obviously isn't keen on making any significant effort to support its own product moneyhatting several games to get a few hundred thousand software sales.
Despite frustrated fans calling companies stupid all the time, I believe that these multibillion companies are more prone to make logical and smart decisions than dumb decisions, so thinking only logically and not with fan glasses, the proposition I invented out of thin air looks more realistic than the proposition you invented out of thin air.
Jawmuncher
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Honestly they would have ruined the game had they made it in.
Since there was no one else even similar to them aside from those listed.
Sony's moves here were pretty clear, they doubled down hard on hunting games after losing MH. They funded Soul Sacrifice and Freedom Wars with noted developers and put big campaigns behind each (something they never bothered with on PSP). And suddenly big hunting games on other formats like PSP and PC started getting (sometimes enhanced) Vita versions. God Eater and Phantasy Star were some PSP's biggest sellers, you really think Sony didn't incentivize to keep those games in their ecosystems and try to push their new handheld? You really think they did nothing after losing the franchise that almost single handedly drove PSP's success?
It'd be sort of like if in the late 1990s like every JRPG franchise didn't follow FFVII to PlayStation and instead had stuck it out on N64. It's just so unlikely it's almost humorous. This isn't coming out of thin air.
sörine;148790978 said:
God Eater 2 was announced at the same time as Monster Hunter 4, so their biggest hunting game was secured. There your argument goes down the drain. Tecmo Koei also made public the reasoning behind making Toukiden for Playstation platforms. If you are going to say it is a excuse given because they were moneyhatted, you can also put the reason why Capcom chose 3DS for Monster Hunter 3G and 4 as an excuse because they were moneyhatted.
If you are putting Soul Sacrifice and Freedom Wars in your argument, you are also saying that Nintendo moneyhats Namco, Tecmo Koei, Gung Ho, Game Freak etc, to develop games for them. That is not the definition of moneyhatting.
sörine;148790978 said:
It humorous to assume that JRPGs were "following the leader" during FFVII days. Do you know Sega Saturn? Do you have any idea about how many RPGs it had, and how successful it was on Japan? Nobody was following the leader. Nintendo just adopted a technical solution for N64 that was not fit for the genre, so that companies started making their games for platforms that were fit. It is the same reason why Phantasy Star Online 2 was on Vita and not anywhere else. But if some Nintendo fans see every developer that switched from Nintendo platforms or opted for publishing in other platforms as part of a hideous scheme, betrayalton or having been moneyhatted, then they can stay with their "logical only to fit their discourse" reasons for what happens.
Azure Phoenix
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I'd need to take out a couple of loans.
Hero of Legend
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They said it was because MH went to 3DS. I don't believe for a single second that they would've went with 3DS if MH went to Vita.
Pandora012
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I thought there was a rumor that Xenosaga trilogy will be on playstation. Though if it comes out on Nintendo, I might jump and get a WiiU.
Hibiki Kurosawa
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Isn't there no real rumours, just the mention from Harada saying he would like to do it, but needs to see that the demand is there, but then after petitions went online it was "proven" that the demand is not there. I really want a Xenosaga Trilogy HD release, but it doesn't sound likely. As for platform? I have no idea, but nor would I care, I just want it. In fact, I'd settle for the trilogy on PSN as PS2 classics.
Pandora012
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Oh, I'm refering to this http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=144519589&postcount=178
Though, I'm no sure how reliable it is.
You need to dream big: Emblem Calibur.
Down the drain? You need to check your timeline, God Eater 2 for Vita was announced a full year after MH4 was announced for 3DS.
I know Koei said they went to Vita to avoid MH, but it's a pretty ridiculous notion and was blasted thoroughly when it came up in the MC thread. If Sony had held on to MH do you honestly think Toukiden would've gone to 3DS? Never would've happened.
And I don't doubt Nintendo moneyhatted MH3/3G/4. Iwata's been going hard after the franchise. He's probably trying to lock down MH5 and keep it off my iPhone as we speak.
Those aren't moneyhats and I never said they were? They're big investment 1st party contracted projects and they show a clear strategy that SCE was forced to follow after losing their golden goose. The strategy was basically "grab everything else".
I think you've got this backwards, I'm saying Square opened the floodgates with FFVII and JRPGs followed the genre king (or at least the genre prince) to PlayStation. Breath of Fire, Tales of, Star Ocean, Chrono, Megaten, Front Mission, Suikoden, SRT, Mana, SaGa, Soulblazer (sort of), even Dragon Quest. They didn't stick with N64, they didn't jump to Saturn (except Megaten/SRT briefly detouring). That's sort of the opposite of what we see happening with 3DS hunting games. They all stuck with PlayStation for some unknown reason, even though Vita will be lucky to manage a quarter the sales PSP gave them. If Namco Bandai, Sega and Koei Tecmo weren't compensated for that risk then they all majorly fucked up.
And really I'm not sure why you take so much issue with this? It shows Sony actually took initiative and did some major heavy lifting to turn their fortunes around. And as pathetic as Vita's hardware sales have been, I'm afraid to imagine what the Vita userbase would look like if Sony hadn't scrambled and secured this content. This isn't a bad thing.
sörine;148888901 said:
But it had already been announced to PSP. It went to Vita mostly because it had to be delayed and by the time it would be released, Banco realized it wouldn't do releasing only for PSP in late 2013.
sörine;148888901 said:
Because this is the incorrect interpretation, that is why it is ridiculous. They released Toukiden on Vita because they knew the profile of the average Vita owner through the researches that have been made, and knew there were many Vita owners that were frustrated for the lack of Monster Hunter, so that they could fill the void if they had a good game.
sörine;148888901 said:
It was more like Sony felt pressured to give some kind of support to Vita when they realized they wouldn't be getting a lot of 3rd party support. Because most of their IPs would not help that much, they tried to gamble in a genre they knew their customers were interested in, and other projects that didn't take a lot of resources, like Tearaway, Killzone Mercenary and Oreshika. That support dried up quickly, though, as they decided to focus on PS4 and rebrand Vita as a PS4 accessory.
sörine;148888901 said:
Your list consists of many Square series. Suikoden was released before FFVII, Megaten had a presence on Saturn. Some series went to the most successful console and some avoided Saturn because by the time they were made, Sega had already announced or even launched Dreamcast. It is not just a "follow the leader" thing, there are reasons, and the reasons why most didn't stick with N64 are obviously technological. Even the smallest PS and Saturn RPGs wouldn't fit in on cartridge.
Your argument is based on being "wise after the event" for hunting games not going to 3DS. Apart from Toukiden, the games you mention were either planned for Playstation platforms or are developed by Sony. Even so, none of the games were announced after Monster Hunter 4 was released on 3DS, so it is not a situation like FFVII, were many of games you mention are 1998, 1999, or even 2000, so that they were either planned after FFVII success or were at early stages of development and were already burned by Nintendo 64 being on cartridges, making it almost impossible to develop compelling RPGs for it. The fact that no new hunting games were announced for Vita after MH4 release apart for the extended versions makes your point moot. How could they know Monster Hunter 4 would not have a worrying decline on 3DS before knowing how it had performed?
sörine;148888901 said:
I take issue of people making wild claims to support their biased arguments. The objective of claiming that Sony obviously moneyhatted games with no proof is to support the argument that every game should be released on 3DS, and when they aren't is that something "wrong" happened. But being moneyhatted, stubborn, greedy and liking to suffer are not the only reasons why publishers make games for other platforms. It is not through the insistence of four or five members, that are constantly on MC threads, in repeating this mantra at every opportunity that it will become true.
ArcaneFreeze
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Didnt Nintendo try to buy Bamco a while back but got shut down by the Japanese government?
Hero of Legend
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I just realized that I forgot one game as part of this team-up, but it's easy to see why.
It was by Bandai Namco in Japan but Nintendo localized it in the west.
Most would probably forget BN was even behind it, I see it as a Disney game way before a BN game.
Tetris Axis kind of counts also, as it was published by Bandai Namco (specifically Bandai) in Japan, and Nintendo brought it to NA (Tetris Online self-published seemingly in EU).
It was by Bandai Namco in Japan but Nintendo localized it in the west.
Most would probably forget BN was even behind it, I see it as a Disney game way before a BN game.
Tetris Axis kind of counts also, as it was published by Bandai Namco (specifically Bandai) in Japan, and Nintendo brought it to NA (Tetris Online self-published seemingly in EU).
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lostinblue
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SporeCrawler
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they still own a minority share with bandai namco... i remember that there was a take over rumor in the gamecube days (and it would be pretty good for both bandai namco and nintendo if you think about it. market all that nintendo characters as toys = tons of money; all those anime games with nintendo quailty= tons of money) anyways it looks like they will not go down that route.
lostinblue
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lostinblue
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Hideo Baba is a tool and he ran the "Tales of" Nintendo/Microsoft exclusive to the ground last gen. On purpose.
Every game they do elsewhere, be it Tales of Symphonia "2", Tales of Vesperia, Tales of Graces, Tales of Hearts... Hell, outsourced tales like Tales of Innocence... They have to port over with extra shit to some Playstation platform, even if it's on a Playstation variant that doesn't sell - Like the Vita.
Then badly port Tales of the Abyss, see it selling, ignore it.
Guy has an agenda.
I don't think that was ever the case.
Nintendo bought a lot of Bandai stock over the years for leverage, kinda like how Sony actually had a lot of Square-Enix stock at some point. That meant they were on the board of directors but having a say is different than dictating what has to be done. Wasn't like that.
Somewhere down the line it turned out Bandai was on sale, but Nintendo didn't go for it. If they had Namco would have no chance in the matter, I think.
They traded their stock in for Monolith so it worked out nicely in the end.
The triforce is complete.