I met girls who have very low charisma (what's considered ugly in layman's terms) and self esteem and i'm sure they wouldn't mind if they felt desired once in a while.
Physical attractiveness and charisma are linked, but not actually the same thing.
I know that's not the point of this thread, but I just wanted to point that out.
If people who already feel self-conscious or think they're unattractive get catcalled they'll often feel like they're being mocked.
Sometimes that will be the whole point.
Even if that's not the case it's not
really a complement to hear that someone wants to fuck you.
So you are saying if catcalling happens only once in a while, it's OK?
It never just happens once in a while. It happens constantly. Maybe the one time it happened to you, you liked it. Now picture that happening constantly.
A constant stream of lewd comments and sexually uncomfortable situations being levied at you by people you don't know who only have interest in you as a target of their garbage.
You would get sick of it really fast.
You say you're shy and introverted. A whole load of people getting up in your business should be your idea of hell.
Also i'm talking about catcalling. This comic looks like something too extreme.
"something too extreme"?
That's catcalling.
You know, the thing you were rushing to defend. So do you mean that actually you realise it
is a problem?
But this thread does seem to imply that a whistle or car horn is the same as someone putting you in a corner telling you that he wants to "fuck you in the mouth"? Is that correct?
Clearly not.
There's a spectrum of catcalling. All of it can and does happen.
And it's not a "once in a while" thing, it's an ongoing storm of unwanted noise. So, frankly, even if someone might not be blunt enough to say "I want to fuck you in the mouth" at some point that's going to be what you're hearing anyway.
I will admit that I've never actually heard someone bluntly state "I want to fuck you in the mouth" but I wouldn't be at all surprised to find people have.
I've heard "You need a good fucking" and "You won't be such a bitch when I'm done with you", after all.
Now if people have their days ruined and feel terrible because someone whistle on them on the road, instead of passing it like something rude that happens from time to time, this i didn't know. I'm sorry if i patronized anyone.
The tone of this is all wrong "Well I didn't know that people have their days ruined because they don't just ignore people acting like prats"
People shouldn't
have to ignore garbage being thrown at them.
But again, the real problem is that it isn't something that happens from time to time.
It wears you down.
Like I said in my original post, there are nuances. Someone said that whistling is harrassment, if the person that got whisteled to feels harrassed. This has no legal basis.
If a guy whistles, or makes a passing remark, in my opinion based on the legal definition of harassment, it is not harrassment. Now, if the same guy whistles, then proceeds to follow or continues making clearly unwanted remarks to the woman, htat is clear harrassment.
Failing to recognze this difference does nothing to help with the problem, in my view.
My point is, is dangerous to call everything harrassment. It needs to have a clear definition, other than "if the person feels harrassed, she is". That does nothing to help bring people that actually harrass to justice.
And again, I am not saying guys should whistle, or shout compliments. These guys are idiots if thye think it does anything other than annoy women and repel them. My point is, If they dont take it one step further to actually cross that line, they are not harrassing, just being idiots.
And you seem to think that it only becomes harassment if the perpetrator is the same person.
To dispute that, I'm going to quote your definition of harassment back at you, with different bolding for emphasis.
harassment
(either harris-meant or huh-rass-meant) n. the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands. The purposes may vary, including racial prejudice, personal malice, an attempt to force someone to quit a job or grant sexual favors, apply illegal pressure to collect a bill, or merely gain sadistic pleasure from making someone fearful or anxious.
Whistling in the catcalling sense is a continued unwanted or annoying action.
The party or group is not each individual man who catcalls. The party or group is all of them, together, as a collective of "men who catcall"
The actions being perpetrated by
all of them add up to become
continued unwanted and annoying actions which is, by definition, harassment.
And no, they do not have to take that harassment "further" for it to become "real harassment", that's just crass.
(Though no, you couldn't actually take the collective group of 'men who catcall' to court and prosecute them over it).
