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[FightyF]

Yes, you're right.

I should have said "I don't support the Republicans."

I live in Calgary though, some people consider themselves Republicans because many here are American as well. Heck, some Canadians consider themselves Republicans. Even my Math prof has the Elephant all over his Math webpage.

 

[firex]

Liberals do what makes them feel good.

Conservatives do what is right/efficient.

Prime example is the thread about Kerry raising minimum wage. There is no way that raising the minumum wage is a good thing. It makes people FEEL like something is better, when it isn't.

how about "both sides do what they feel is good. Conservatives tell you it's good even if you don't think it is or everyone else says it isn't. Liberals persuade you it's good and disregard any advice to the contrary."

 

[FightyF]

Liberals do what makes them feel good.

Conservatives do what is right/efficient.

Prime example is the thread about Kerry raising minimum wage. There is no way that raising the minumum wage is a good thing. It makes people FEEL like something is better, when it isn't.

I don't agree with that accessment. Both sides are doing it for different reasons and both have the goal of benefitting the economy. By increasing MW, Dems think that people will have more to spend.

When it comes to a conservative fiscal policy, I would agree that it is effecient. But the Republicans have not been following this policy. Their policies heavily favour the rich people of the American population. It is not efficient at all.

 

[FightyF]

Please forgive my spelling errors.

*LOL* @ Mike

 

[Drensch]

Why haven't I seen the reverse argument made by the other side outside obscure intellectual corners?

It's hard for liberals to fear monger and distort. "Conservatives" like to:

affirmative action-the darkies are coming to take your job
immigration-Mexicans taking your women
freedom of speech-Satan trying to teach your children
protection of marriage-God hates fags


Easy soundbites and fear can be pushed much easier.

 

[GG-Duo]

Conservatives do what is right/efficient.

Right, or Efficient?

 

[teh_pwn]

When liberal is used in a negative sense, it's refering to the extreme.

Liberal itself is not bad. Without it, we'd be back hundreds of years ago with limited rights and whatnot. However, too liberal or too conservative are both teh suck.

 

[Hitokage]

Liberals do what makes them feel good.

Conservatives do what is right/efficient.

Rather self-serving definition there. Of course, I suppose that liberals don't feel that companies shouldn't be left completely to themselves wouldn't have anything at all do to with incidents like... say... Enron, or how prices in deregulated markets have been going up not down... nah, they just do what FEELS good. Same with respecting the rights of minorities, that old hack Madison was just touchy FEELY.

 

[samus4ever]

I can't wait for Nov. 3rd, and I don't care who wins. I just want this year to be over with.

 

[Father_Brain]

and remember that if you ever offer your opinion on anything whatsoever we will call you a racist homophobe.

Well, I'm not going to bother with the racist part. So, here's a few questions, Chris:
Do you believe that homosexuality is a choice?
Do you think gays shoould be allowed to adopt? If not, why not?
Why do you oppose gay marriage?

Oh, and by the way, do you still think that this election is a referendum on gay marriage, as opposed to the economy or Iraq?

 

[Mike Works]

I can't wait for Nov. 3rd, and I don't care who wins. I just want this year to be over with.

November rocks. Election, my birthday, Halo 2, Half Life 2, WOOO

 

[Jim Bowie]

My birthday is in June. The only good things that came out this June were... hey! THE LOST FUCKING SKELETON OF FUCKING CADAVRA! WHY HAVEN'T YOU CATS SEEN THIS FLICK?!?

As for the topic, give me a freaking break. To say that most Americans are Christian is a flat out lie. And to say that only Judeo-Christian people know right from wrong? I gagged just a little.

 

[Drensch]

I can't wait for Nov. 3rd, and I don't care who wins. I just want this year to be over with.

I can guarantee it won't be over on the third.

 

[Do The Mario]

In Australia the liberal party just one a third consecutive federal election, and increased there majority in the lower house and gained the majority in the senate. So it’s not a negative term in Down Under

 

[Zaptruder]

Despite the name of the liberal party, they're actually the conservative party in australia.

That said, the two major parties are both pretty conservative, with the more liberal parties such as democrats and greens relegated to been 3rd party.

Party lines aren't nearly as clearly defined as in america... but then that's a good thing; our PM as much of a suck ass as he might be isn't a complete fucking loon.

 

[Bizarro Sun Yat-sen]

When liberal is used in a negative sense, it's refering to the extreme.

Can't be extreme if you're a liberal. Liberalism and conservatism are both inherently middle of the road positions. To be extreme you'd have to be a socialist or an anarchist or a libertarian or a Christian Reconstructionist, etc.

 

[Azih]

2. Blame America first

I think it's more 'Refusing to not blame America at all'. I mean dude, America is far from infallible, and has done things that it deserves to be blamed for, to think otherwise is ... creepy.

 

[Do The Mario]

Zap I must say unlike most Australians I am fascinated with politics, I do a few units at UNI as electives and I wouldn’t call Johnny H a “suck ass” I think he has done some great things for our country which is mostly the economic reform that Costello has spearheaded.

 

[Kobun Heat]

Do you believe that homosexuality is a choice?
Do you think gays shoould be allowed to adopt? If not, why not?
Why do you oppose gay marriage?

1) I am not one of them whatchacall "brain scientists" so I have no idea, and for the record they don't know either.
2) As with all adoptions, if a court determines that the parents are fit to raise a child then I don't see very many objections I could raise.
3) I oppose activist judicial bodies "discovering" the right to gay marriage in centuries-old documents. I believe that if a state wants gay marriage, they can vote for it in a referendum.

As for my personal opinion on gay marriage, I don't have a strong enough one to come out staunchly for or against. I certainly understand that there are compelling arguments against it (that do not fall into the "Jesus says so" variety) but the most compelling argument for it--"So?"--definitely appeals to my libertarian side.

I have, in the past, argued both sides. There's just very little need to argue the "for" side in this forum.

Oh, and by the way, do you still think that this election is a referendum on gay marriage, as opposed to the economy or Iraq?

Nope. I definitely believed it when gay marriage was *the* hot-button issue, but the Kerry team eventually decided that an all-out push on Iraq was the best endgame strategy.

 

[Azih]

1) I am not one of them whatchacall "brain scientists" so I have no idea, and for the record they don't know either.

I think I'm going to disagree with you here. I'm heterosexual, I think Nicole Kidman is hot and don't think Tom Cruise is attractive. I *can't* choose to think Tom Cruise is arousing for a day. Can you?


Since the answer is no, I fully believe it works the other way as well. If some guy thinks Tom Cruise is sexually exciting then that person *can't* choose to think Nicole Kidman is.

Plus there was a post from a gay GAer who came right out and said that he'd prefer to be straight but there's nothing that he can do about it (don't remember who, but it was a stunningly painful display of honesty). Combine that with Christian gay help groups who don't 'convert' gays to straights but instead treat gay feelings as addictions to be controlled (like alcholism), and I think only very narrow minded people would refuse to acknowledge that there is very little choice involved in this.

Edit: Plus it's odd that you're dismissing all the 'brain scientists' so flippantly.

 

[Che]

The funny thing is that in many countries conservatism is considered something negative and not the other way around. For example in my country the right-wing party doesn't admit that they are conservatives or right-wing. The say they're somewhere on the middle. On the contrary the socialist party is advertising that they're leftists (although they're not). And cause I've grown up that way I cannot comprehent how being stuck up on some pre-historic ideas, serving the rich, and generally being close-minded is positive.

 

[Hamfam]

Liberals do what makes them feel good.

Conservatives do what is right/efficient.

Prime example is the thread about Kerry raising minimum wage. There is no way that raising the minumum wage is a good thing. It makes people FEEL like something is better, when it isn't.

You might have well have just typed:

"Liberals do what they think is good.

Conservatives do what they KNOW is good."

 

[Hitokage]

You might have well have just typed:

"Liberals do what they think is good.

Conservatives do what they KNOW is good."

Heh, that reminds me of mormon vocabulary. One never "thinks" or "believes"... it's always "KNOW". "I KNOW the church is true!"

 

[Crag Dweller]

You might have well have just typed:

"Liberals do what they think is good.

Conservatives do what they KNOW is good."

That reminded me of this old quote, "If you are not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you are not a conservative at 40, you have no brain." Winston Churchill

 

[way more]

Lady Farthingdale: Sir, you are drunk
Churchill: Madam, I may be drunk but . . . *collapses on floor*

 

[Hitokage]

Haha, everyone here hates that quote. I remember Hito in particular getting really pissed one time when I used it.

It was AlteredBeast, not you.

 

[unkasa]

To understand what lies at the core of conservativism, one must acquaint themselves with the lexicon of its adherents. Conservatives have successfully co-opted terms that, while historically innocuous, have been skewed to convey a negative connotation.

Several examples are:

Liberal

Diversity

Welfare

Islam

Immigration

These are terms that have been appropriated and assigned undue properties meant to elicit an adverse response. Conservatives have no respect for the intelligence of the electorate, thus their shameless perversion of language has been committed with wanton disregard for public discourse. Unfortunately, while not stupid, the masses are lazy, unwilling to peer beneath the surface of these terms the right bandies about.

 

[Zaptruder]

Zap I must say unlike most Australians I am fascinated with politics, I do a few units at UNI as electives and I wouldn’t call Johnny H a “suck ass” I think he has done some great things for our country which is mostly the economic reform that Costello has spearheaded.

I do mean a suckass to Bush.

 

[Bizarro Sun Yat-sen]

That quote attributed to Churchhill is often attributed to lots of other people as well, and in many different variations...

 

[Bizarro Sun Yat-sen]

Among other problems with that quote, there's the fact that Winston Churchill began his political career as a Conservative at age 25, left to join the Liberal Party at age 30, and didn't rejoin the Conservatives until age 50.